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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 2, 2020 17:12:35 GMT -5
Had phone screen, next interview scheduled.
They are desperate for sure. So would be a pay cut. Trying to suss out what I’d be walking into. Pursuing but a little hesitant. This is one with toxic work environment plastered all over glass door.
Thoughts?
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Post by oped on Mar 2, 2020 17:35:07 GMT -5
Toxic work environment for much less pay... yum.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 2, 2020 18:00:21 GMT -5
Had phone screen, next interview scheduled. They are desperate for sure. So would be a pay cut. Trying to suss out what I’d be walking into. Pursuing but a little hesitant. This is one with toxic work environment plastered all over glass door. Thoughts? [br Talked myself into ignoring the warning signs three times now in my life and all three backfired in a spectacular fashion. I take glass door with a grain of salt but a company that has only negative reviews, is desperate to hire AND low balls pay? Run Forest run!
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Post by Cookies Galore on Mar 2, 2020 18:10:42 GMT -5
Had phone screen, next interview scheduled. They are desperate for sure. So would be a pay cut. Trying to suss out what I’d be walking into. Pursuing but a little hesitant. This is one with toxic work environment plastered all over glass door. Thoughts? Pay cut and possible toxic environment? Do you really need to think about that?
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Post by andi9899 on Mar 2, 2020 18:59:18 GMT -5
Had phone screen, next interview scheduled. They are desperate for sure. So would be a pay cut. Trying to suss out what I’d be walking into. Pursuing but a little hesitant. This is one with toxic work environment plastered all over glass door. Thoughts? I'm going to assume this is sarcasm. If not. Run away!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 2, 2020 22:22:32 GMT -5
Lol - yeah - I know right? But - hey - last two place haven't been excelling out there. I will be asking at next interview.
10% 401k, 4 weeks vacations, and closes xmas to new years....other benefits solid. And cash in 2 buses and a train for a 20 minute drive....
I'm gonna explore!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 2, 2020 22:25:49 GMT -5
just to note: I've been running ragged at current job - begging for more staff - now they are outsourcing whole shabang and saying we have a job with vendor - but nothing on paper....no retention bonus talk, severance, etc. I can't go a couple months without a paycheck, so....
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Post by plugginaway22 on Mar 2, 2020 22:37:46 GMT -5
Can't hurt to go further in process and then negotiate for higher salary. Might be a less stressful position that would free up time for your side business.
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Post by bean29 on Mar 3, 2020 5:33:31 GMT -5
Rukh: if current employer consulting and lead both are not very good deals-why not offer to work as a consultant through Rukh Inc. Don’t discount your rate too much though as they may want to have some kind of non compete. You could state your rate and discount 1st month 30%, 2nd 20% and 3rd 10% and after that you bill at your full rate. Say invoices due within 10 days, maybe bill weekly?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 3, 2020 8:51:53 GMT -5
Interesting Idea Bean!! Thank you for that! I think if I would accept the new job - which I think will be a lot less time consuming than current one - which has been ridiculous! - I can offer up some consulting work to the old. No discounts! Suckers!! Ok - maybe a little discount. I'm coming to terms with the issues at the place I am interviewing, and will ask some tough questions about culture in interview to make sure what I walk into is doable. Obviously I'm a gluten for punishment! The stress I was under thinking about what happens if the pay check stops - while the market tanked and housing values ebbed a little were very uncomfortable. It may mean I need to take a less-than-ideal position and make it work for a while. The 20 minute commute, 4 weeks vacation, 14ish holidays, 2 weeks sick is calling me. That is 2 months out of the year!! It also an established department - somebody somewhere understands the workload involved. Unlike current place that has us all stress monkeys against an impossible task with constant new stuff throw on the dumpster fire..... And - quitting feels so good! UGH! time to start moving stuff home! I took all my research stuff to work. Books - like 20 - and two large file draws of literature. Clean up of personal files on workspace..... Ugh - so much to do..... not because I'm determined to take new job op - but because this gig is over - sooner or later - and I haven't been able to do much research anyway....
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Post by debthaven on Mar 3, 2020 10:47:35 GMT -5
Rukh you could also try to get the teaching gig back if the new job is less intense...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 3, 2020 11:05:49 GMT -5
just to note: I've been running ragged at current job - begging for more staff - now they are outsourcing whole shabang and saying we have a job with vendor - but nothing on paper....no retention bonus talk, severance, etc. I can't go a couple months without a paycheck, so.... Fair but don't let yourself be talked into ignoring red flags. I did that with BT and while we could not go without my paycheck I did manage to jump straight from the frying pan into the fire. That being said I was better off being employed while continuing to look for another position ASAP. It was four months of pure hell though, there is a part of me that wishes we had figured out how to make it work. Could you get enough business with RI to limp along? Look into teaching? I'd at least look into bare minimum options before taking this job. That's a lot of red flags right up front. At least that way if you do take it and it's hell on earth you can keep yourself motivated by saying a girl's gotta eat.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 3, 2020 11:13:34 GMT -5
Rukh you could also try to get the teaching gig back if the new job is less intense... I’ve been thinking about that, but with my current side job I am at a month working 7days a week. Will reach out if I envision any time.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 3, 2020 11:22:04 GMT -5
Toxic work environment for much less pay... yum. I just did that, all to have a 10min commute. don't do this to yourself.
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Post by swamp on Mar 3, 2020 11:25:05 GMT -5
so much for the schedule of M and W and some saturdays.
He has no schedule now, but it's going to be at least 4 days a week until they hire someone else.
Very nice people, very disorganized.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 3, 2020 11:32:21 GMT -5
just to note: I've been running ragged at current job - begging for more staff - now they are outsourcing whole shabang and saying we have a job with vendor - but nothing on paper....no retention bonus talk, severance, etc. I can't go a couple months without a paycheck, so.... Fair but don't let yourself be talked into ignoring red flags. I did that with BT and while we could not go without my paycheck I did manage to jump straight from the frying pan into the fire. That being said I was better off being employed while continuing to look for another position ASAP. It was four months of pure hell though, there is a part of me that wishes we had figured out how to make it work. Could you get enough business with RI to limp along? Look into teaching? I'd at least look into bare minimum options before taking this job. That's a lot of red flags right up front. At least that way if you do take it and it's hell on earth you can keep yourself motivated by saying a girl's gotta eat. Yeah, I hear you! RI is probably just enough money to disqualify food stamps! Ebt? Another thing is our staff is now all looking, so.....one job I didn’t bother applying I know boss is already at 2nd/3rd interview stage and she is just better for this one than I am. One worry is job op wants someone super quick. I still don’t have a clear idea what positions the outsourcing vendor might offer. I figure I can always apply later there too. It also isn’t making any great places to work lists!!! I have a good selection of sub par companies to choose from.
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Post by tcu2003 on Mar 3, 2020 14:37:54 GMT -5
Fair but don't let yourself be talked into ignoring red flags. I did that with BT and while we could not go without my paycheck I did manage to jump straight from the frying pan into the fire. That being said I was better off being employed while continuing to look for another position ASAP. It was four months of pure hell though, there is a part of me that wishes we had figured out how to make it work. Could you get enough business with RI to limp along? Look into teaching? I'd at least look into bare minimum options before taking this job. That's a lot of red flags right up front. At least that way if you do take it and it's hell on earth you can keep yourself motivated by saying a girl's gotta eat. Yeah, I hear you! RI is probably just enough money to disqualify food stamps! Ebt? Another thing is our staff is now all looking, so.....one job I didn’t bother applying I know boss is already at 2nd/3rd interview stage and she is just better for this one than I am. One worry is job op wants someone super quick. I still don’t have a clear idea what positions the outsourcing vendor might offer. I figure I can always apply later there too. It also isn’t making any great places to work lists!!! I have a good selection of sub par companies to choose from. You have a solid work history, so I would keep applying now for everything that interests you and is a good fit. If the vendor opportunities are something you want to pursue, go for it, even if you’ve already switched to a new position and haven’t been there long. You have a good reason why and your other employment history shows you’re not a seria job hopper.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 3, 2020 20:33:42 GMT -5
Someone quit today I made a quiet RI pitch for their new company They may be in the market. Jumping around work wise could be good for RI. Should I get some business cards done up professionally? Can I call myself ROR Consulting?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 4, 2020 9:40:58 GMT -5
Toxic work environment for much less pay... yum. What is your definition of "much less"? I believe all I said was it would be a pay cut.
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Post by Peace77 on Mar 4, 2020 10:30:09 GMT -5
Should I get some business cards done up professionally? Can I call myself ROR Consulting? Order some business cards through Vistaprint. Use whatever name you would like.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 4, 2020 10:31:53 GMT -5
Toxic work environment for much less pay... yum. What is your definition of "much less"? I believe all I said was it would be a pay cut. I'm sure you're already aware but be sure to take into account benefits if you need them. It was "only" a $2k pay cut to accept the job at BT but then their benefits were more expensive and that is what ended up hurting us. The hospital was outrageous. I took the job and it was almost a $15k increase. That got eaten up mostly in benefits.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 4, 2020 21:10:58 GMT -5
What is your definition of "much less"? I believe all I said was it would be a pay cut. I'm sure you're already aware but be sure to take into account benefits if you need them. It was "only" a $2k pay cut to accept the job at BT but then their benefits were more expensive and that is what ended up hurting us. The hospital was outrageous. I took the job and it was almost a $15k increase. That got eaten up mostly in benefits. thanks - will consider all the angles!!
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Post by oped on Mar 4, 2020 21:20:41 GMT -5
I posted that when you were still mulling what not requiring a PHD would mean for salary...
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 4, 2020 22:32:54 GMT -5
oh - I guess that makes sense! Maybe that was before I had the first call and didn't know what salary they were thinking of?
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 6, 2020 17:26:57 GMT -5
Interview with hiring manager went well. Looking to next week to schedule meeting with the work group. I think if that goes ok, there will be an offer.
There are some points that would be a step down from current position - but some things a step up too, so, kind of a mixed bag in terms of career trajectory. I think overall a solid move.
Nothing else to apply for today - and that is a US search....
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Post by geenamercile on Mar 6, 2020 21:17:27 GMT -5
My current principal told me today that one of the principals I interviewed with called to check references. She told me to take it as a good sign. I do, but it means I may have a hard choice coming up.
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Post by seriousthistime on Mar 7, 2020 10:13:59 GMT -5
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Post by Ava on Mar 7, 2020 14:53:11 GMT -5
Wow. I got an email from a recruiter yesterday. I have updated both LinkedIn and Indeed so I appear as "open for opportunities". This guy wanted to discuss a position that A- it's even further away from my home, and would add approx. 30 minutes to my 55-60 minutes each way commute B- It's for a company created last year with about 10-15 employees in total when I work for a big entity with thousands of employees and I have relatively good benefits. C- The job in question is a carbon copy of what I do now, not at a higher level, not adding any new skills etc. D- In case I'm not interested, can I pass the message to my colleagues? Yes dude, because I'm going to do your job for free I'm still laughing. I generally respond with a nice email explaining that I'm not interested but thank you for reaching out. This guy is not even getting a thank you email.
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Post by flutterby on Mar 8, 2020 19:59:17 GMT -5
I had my interview for the higher level job. It went really well, and it would be a great position. When I was leaving, I saw the next interviewee coming in. She has at least a decade more experience than me (we used to work together). I don't think I'll get this one, but I feel good about the impression I made. I should hear one way or another in about a week.
I still haven't heard anything about the lateral position I applied for at the same place. I'm guessing they want to concentrate on getting the upper level filled before they move on to the next one.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 10, 2020 14:01:38 GMT -5
I'm in a similar position flutterby - I found out that someone more senior to me is also interviewing for the position I'm going for. Unfortunately - I found out before my last interviews (met with 8 people) and a voice in the back of my mind kept running comparisons against my imagination of their performance. Maybe it is fortunate I knew - so I can hedge my expectations more. Will find out within a week.... I need to consider how low salary-wise I'm willing to go, in case they choose me. And prepare for a full-on job search if they don't.
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