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Post by justme on Feb 19, 2016 21:18:33 GMT -5
So I talked with a couple people at the company and have the issues figured out. They made an offer which is about 5k less than I make now, but way less stress. But now I'm hesitating. Take the guarantee or pass and take current companies offer which means I'd be out of a job in 6 months and have alot of crap to deal with before then. This company would probably be a good fit for me. If I wait the 6 minths, I may not be able to find something I like as much. Fear and indecision. Did they get back to you on how much they're paying you to stay?
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Post by Abby Normal on Feb 19, 2016 21:21:19 GMT -5
Not yet. Boss says he has draft on his desk. I'll likely talk with him on monday, IF I'm prepared to take this job.
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Post by giramomma on Feb 19, 2016 21:28:16 GMT -5
TheHaitianIf you move to the DC area, what's going to happen to your fertility treatments? How much have you paid? Here's the thing Carl. I admire you a ton. You are going to flourish and succeed where ever you go. Because you are simply that type of person. You need to tune all of that out...the companies, the bonuses, the bright lights big city. What do you REALLY want? I mean deep down, what is the most meaningful thing to you...that if you never achieve, you will be so disappointed/upset, that it's going to really beat you down, and cause years of regrets. The one thing that you will never be completely happy because you didn't achieve. Pick that one thing. Then take the path to get there.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Feb 19, 2016 21:54:26 GMT -5
I GOT THE JOB!!!! They are making it so hard to say no and such a great company to work for. Salary is there, bonus structure is there... And feels like an opportunity of a lifetime to live in the city like we always wanted to. I would be in the Arlington/Alexandria and Metro DC area. I was going to make a joke that you must have gotten a dream offer an be celebrating. Still, that's a tough decision. It's scary to move, but sometimes it's worth it (says the person who doesn't own a home).
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 19, 2016 23:36:50 GMT -5
I know some people who commute into DC. It's gotten really old since they've had kids. Those 90 minute one way on a good day commutes are no longer tolerable.
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Post by finnime on Feb 20, 2016 5:07:29 GMT -5
I live in the Maryland side of DC metro area. TheHaitian, can you go back to HT and ask about relocation and spousal job finding assistance? This is a VHCOLA area, not like where you are now. Traffic is crazy, but the public transportation is very very good. And I grew up in MA and have almost all my family there. There are legitimately more job opportunities for both of you here, significantly higher pay and greater economic stability (those feds, you know!) Also this is a highly culturally diverse area, a good thing for the vitality offered.
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Post by emma1420 on Feb 20, 2016 6:18:17 GMT -5
Carl...I think if you HT down with a good reason (and the fact you found another job is a great reason), then they would offer you a position say 5-10 years in the future. So I wouldn't accept the job only because you feel like you won't get an opportunity with HT again.
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Post by TheHaitian on Feb 20, 2016 9:01:05 GMT -5
After sleeping on it and taking everyone take ... I think I will stay put with S.
Seems the best decision for our family at the time and I need to take all of us under consideration not just myself.
Thank you guys, I really appreciate all the help and support.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 20, 2016 9:31:01 GMT -5
Lol. I knew this was going to be a hard choice. Is HT or Shaw's like the school districts in our area? If you turn one down, you are unlikely to get an offer from them again. Maybe, just maybe, you can find a different principal (middle school, for example, rather than the high school one) to make an offer. But they don't react well. They also don't react well if you resign for another system. Good luck in your decision. I don't know... My wife said maybe in 5 years when she is done with her PhD But really? Do you think they will want to hire me in 5 years after I turned them Down? Probably not...
And you bring a bigger issue: HT is owned by # 1 grocery retail chain in the nation. S is owned by the # 2 grocery retail chain in the nation. So whoever I piss off I can kiss goodbye to 50% of my chances (except for smaller chains/mom/pops) of finding a job. If you are blackballed by 1 organization, you are blackballed by all 14-18 organizations under that umbrella. ETA: so I would need to turn down the job diplomatically and really work on not burning my bridges. You never know. My husband got a job at a company in 2011 that he turned downed in 2005. In 2005 they were offering him very little money. In 2011 they almost doubled it...... It might not be the standard, but it does happen
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 20, 2016 11:30:21 GMT -5
So I found out through my boss that Problem Child is trying to get another position out of our department! I gave that girl SO many opportunities to say it wasn't a good fit...... So are you going to be honest when they call you for a reference, which means she most likely won't get the position and you will still be stuck with her. Or are you going to white lie and let her become someone else's problem which seems most likely what was done to you when you called for a reference? This happened to me! It was the most uncomfortable position to be in. I said nothing, which said everything.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 11:41:23 GMT -5
I don't know... My wife said maybe in 5 years when she is done with her PhD But really? Do you think they will want to hire me in 5 years after I turned them Down? Probably not...
And you bring a bigger issue: HT is owned by # 1 grocery retail chain in the nation. S is owned by the # 2 grocery retail chain in the nation. So whoever I piss off I can kiss goodbye to 50% of my chances (except for smaller chains/mom/pops) of finding a job. If you are blackballed by 1 organization, you are blackballed by all 14-18 organizations under that umbrella. ETA: so I would need to turn down the job diplomatically and really work on not burning my bridges. You never know. My husband got a job at a company in 2011 that he turned downed in 2005. In 2005 they were offering him very little money. In 2011 they almost doubled it...... It might not be the standard, but it does happen In five or ten years, a whole new set of people may be in charge at HT and may never remember (or care) that they interviewed you way back when. It is in the short term when it is sometimes difficult to go back to them. But even then, it isn't always impossible. You made the right choice for you and your family. That's all that matters.
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Post by 973beachbum on Feb 20, 2016 14:33:07 GMT -5
Lol. I knew this was going to be a hard choice. Is HT or Shaw's like the school districts in our area? If you turn one down, you are unlikely to get an offer from them again. Maybe, just maybe, you can find a different principal (middle school, for example, rather than the high school one) to make an offer. But they don't react well. They also don't react well if you resign for another system. Good luck in your decision. I don't know... My wife said maybe in 5 years when she is done with her PhD But really? Do you think they will want to hire me in 5 years after I turned them Down? Probably not... And you bring a bigger issue: HT is owned by # 1 grocery retail chain in the nation. S is owned by the # 2 grocery retail chain in the nation. So whoever I piss off I can kiss goodbye to 50% of my chances (except for smaller chains/mom/pops) of finding a job. If you are blackballed by 1 organization, you are blackballed by all 14-18 organizations under that umbrella. ETA: so I would need to turn down the job diplomatically and really work on not burning my bridges. I don't work for S but work for a sister store and know plenty who work for Shoprite as well. My experience is people go in and out of working for those organizations all the time. A week doesn't go by where I am not introduced to someone with the tag of "they used to work here X years ago". In fact I have had a few people who were fired from the same store I was in by the store director who was still there. They seem to take the thinking that good help is hard to find and who knows maybe someone changed if they were fired. I will say that I don't think I met anyone fired for something big just normal little things like calling out or goofing off at work. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 20, 2016 18:17:51 GMT -5
DH started at hyvee. Hell get 28 hours a week. Store manager asked if DH would be willing to stick around. DH said for the right opportunity. He was honest about looking for other employment. However he is considering working two jobs for awhile.
Might not be a bad idea after the OS fiasco to hold onto the spare job at least thru the probation period.
Manager likes that DH is older and experienced rather than a green behind the ears kid.
Who knows maybe this will lead to something new.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 20, 2016 18:56:59 GMT -5
DH started at hyvee. Hell get 28 hours a week. Store manager asked if DH would be willing to stick around. DH said for the right opportunity. He was honest about looking for other employment. However he is considering working two jobs for awhile. Might not be a bad idea after the OS fiasco to hold onto the spare job at least thru the probation period. Manager likes that DH is older and experienced rather than a green behind the ears kid. Who knows maybe this will lead to something new. Just think, your DH could become the Midwest Carl!
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Post by lurkyloo on Feb 21, 2016 10:49:52 GMT -5
Congrats Carl on making a decision! Sorry to hear you won't be joining us down here, but I don't think turning down the offer now will burn bridges for later as long as you're diplomatic about it. I'd emphasize that you're very interested in HT for five years down the road, but family issues are dictating that it's best to stay put for now. (Don't go into too much detail about the specific issues though.) When I was interviewing back in 2006 it turned out I needed to stay in CA, but one company took my contact info with a promise to call in a year (although they got bought out in the meantime; probably for the best I didn't take that offer...) And ten years later I'm working at another place I interviewed with and ultimately turned down in 2006 It's also great that you got so much interest and had two awesome offers to decide between within a few weeks' time. I wound up taking just over eight months off; semi-planned but I was also looking as hard as I could and it took four months after resigning to get my first offer. If I'd wanted just a couple of weeks off I would have needed to start looking while still employed.
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Post by TheHaitian on Feb 22, 2016 2:00:43 GMT -5
DH started at hyvee. Hell get 28 hours a week. Store manager asked if DH would be willing to stick around. DH said for the right opportunity. He was honest about looking for other employment. However he is considering working two jobs for awhile. Might not be a bad idea after the OS fiasco to hold onto the spare job at least thru the probation period. Manager likes that DH is older and experienced rather than a green behind the ears kid. Who knows maybe this will lead to something new. Just think, your DH could become the Midwest Carl! Lol! Thanks for reminding me I need to call Crate & Barrel back! Should I call or email HT turning down the job offer? I figure today is a good day as any to let them know. A nice letter or should I call my headhunter? I figure a nice email to their HR person and I cc the headhunter in it. Should I tell them I accepted another job offer or just turn down the job? ---------- I told my mom that I am turning down that job and she said how much more was it going to be a year? I said based salary 2k/year more but with bonus potential it is more like 2k/month more. She said when a jobs offer you enough to replace your wife salary (47k) then you can give it some serious though; for now stay with that job and enjoy your home. My wife and I talked about it and I think it is a good benchmark; looking back all our moves had some financial drawback for us at least at the beginning... And I think I have advanced enough in my career where I can only consider moves that are financially worth it to us as a family. So I need a godfather deal to move; one that would allow my wife to stay home
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 22, 2016 7:08:19 GMT -5
I would only have her stay home once her loans were forgiven.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 22, 2016 7:18:00 GMT -5
I would only have her stay home once her loans were forgiven. At least the ones that can be. Getting out of debt is huge. Once you're out of credIt debt start throwing that money toward loans that can't get forgiven. Stop with the constant purse and dinners out and other constant money drains. How many purses does one person need?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 22, 2016 7:20:47 GMT -5
$650 for Valentine's Day is huge and could have been spent more wisely. One day you may have it all but not today unless you always want to spend like there's no tomorrow. Honestly, I'd cool it with maxing retirement and get out of debt unless you both would blow the extra money.
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Post by TheHaitian on Feb 22, 2016 7:55:33 GMT -5
Congrats Carl on making a decision! Sorry to hear you won't be joining us down here, but I don't think turning down the offer now will burn bridges for later as long as you're diplomatic about it. I'd emphasize that you're very interested in HT for five years down the road, but family issues are dictating that it's best to stay put for now. (Don't go into too much detail about the specific issues though.) When I was interviewing back in 2006 it turned out I needed to stay in CA, but one company took my contact info with a promise to call in a year (although they got bought out in the meantime; probably for the best I didn't take that offer...) And ten years later I'm working at another place I interviewed with and ultimately turned down in 2006 It's also great that you got so much interest and had two awesome offers to decide between within a few weeks' time. I wound up taking just over eight months off; semi-planned but I was also looking as hard as I could and it took four months after resigning to get my first offer. If I'd wanted just a couple of weeks off I would have needed to start looking while still employed. Thank you
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 22, 2016 7:57:52 GMT -5
You obviously interview well. Plus as a hard worker you're an asset to any organization. I'm sure that was easily recognized. If you ever decide to interview with the other place and it comes up about you not taking the job with them, family is always a very good reason.
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Post by TheHaitian on Feb 22, 2016 8:01:07 GMT -5
I would only have her stay home once her loans were forgiven. It is figure of speech lol... My wife will not be staying home. I mean a good offer at the moment for us to relocate would need to be able to replace both our incomes to make it worth it. The two times she followed me it took her 3-6 months to find a job (so negatively impacted us financially); and the two times I worked away from home (6 months and 19 months) also impacted us. So we made a deal that the only way we would consider relocating is if we received that "godfather"/ once in a lifetime kinda offer. So example right now, without bonus we bring in 135k/year combined so only a job offer that comes close to that would prove worth it to take, not negatively impact us if it takes her awhile to find a job and financially beneficial if she finds a job ASAP. As of now she is staying put at her job and will start job hunting once I hit 6 months to 1 year at my job.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 22, 2016 8:08:36 GMT -5
I would only have her stay home once her loans were forgiven. It is figure of speech lol... My wife will not be staying home. I mean a good offer at the moment for us to relocate would need to be able to replace both our incomes to make it worth it. The two times she followed me it took her 3-6 months to find a job (so negatively impacted us financially); and the two times I worked away from home (6 months and 19 months) also impacted us. So we made a deal that the only way we would consider relocating is if we received that "godfather"/ once in a lifetime kinda offer. So example right now, without bonus we bring in 135k/year combined so only a job offer that comes close to that would prove worth it to take, not negatively impact us if it takes her awhile to find a job and financially beneficial if she finds a job ASAP. As of now she is staying put at her job and will start job hunting once I hit 6 months to 1 year at my job. Job hunting for her? Why? Is she unhappy?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 22, 2016 9:14:47 GMT -5
I thought you said she was trying to get her PhD?
I am confused now. Is she actaully in the PhD program or is this still all wishful thinking? If she's in the PhD program it'd make a lot more sense for her to stay put and finish.
If she's not I'm starting to really question how badly she wants the PhD. I believe she has an MPH doesn't she? She can make pretty good money with that out in the private sector even without a PhD.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 22, 2016 10:49:47 GMT -5
The job is posted. They're asking for a BA, which is an upgrade from previous postings. Also salary is diffetent too. I'm going to put in an application and start marshelling arguments for why I should be given a pass on the BA. I have my Associate's and I've worked here for 9 years.
As I've said, I'm ok with not making it beyond the interview stage but I really want to interview.
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Post by finnime on Feb 22, 2016 11:02:00 GMT -5
The job is posted. They're asking for a BA, which is an upgrade from previous postings. Also salary is diffetent too. I'm going to put in an application and start marshelling arguments for why I should be given a pass on the BA. I have my Associate's and I've worked here for 9 years. As I've said, I'm ok with not making it beyond the interview stage but I really want to interview. Good news. Go for it. You have the equivalent experience and you're already there - a double good. Do you know someone in leadership to talk you up to the hiring manager?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 22, 2016 11:21:37 GMT -5
Thete are a whopping 9 of us here, well 8 plus the vacancy. My manager, my boss, 2 lts,1 code monkey and three of us peons. We're in fairly tight quarters so we all know each other's strengths and weaknesses. And a lot about each other's personal lives too.
If any of my three previous managers were still here, I'd have the job already, not due to skills per se but because they all embraced promoting from within and then going outside for the peon vacancy, if that makes sense...
My current manager tends to want the best person for the job and is a big by the books person. So I knew she would want to post and interview. I won't be surprised if she opts to take outside interviews before making her final decision on this.
I also expect that I'll hear bits and pieces of the hiring stuff. Discretion is not always practiced well here. And I often end up fetching interviews/visitors to our area to the interviewing rooms.
I'm fairly sure I know who will be conducting interviews-my manager,my boss and the HR person.
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Post by shanendoah on Feb 22, 2016 11:41:38 GMT -5
TheHaitian - This may be too late, as I am 3 hours behind you, but I would contact the recruiter to give them a heads up that you are going to turn down the HT offer, then contact the HT HR person. I would say something along the lines of "Thank you so much for the opportunity to interview with HT and the job offer. I was very impressed with the organization and this was a very difficult decision. However, I received a comparable job offer that does not require relocation, and after taking the weekend to think about the options and discuss with my wife, I have decided to take the local position. I wish you the best of luck in filling your open positions. Thank you again."
Wisconsin Beth - Good luck!
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 22, 2016 11:48:19 GMT -5
Thanks!
Applications will be accepted until March 11th.
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 22, 2016 14:56:29 GMT -5
I haven't heard back from the #1 job yet and it's killing me! I know he said Monday or Tuesday, but I wanna know now!
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