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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 8, 2015 21:17:15 GMT -5
No, the argument here is the California attack was an ISIS RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORIST ATTACK on American soil. that is fine by me, as well. i would probably say "ISIS related", but that is picking nits.
but the argument is NOT that Hamas is not (by and large) Islamic. they are. You are free to chime in that President Obama is not doing anything to keep America safe, if you want to. there is a lot he can do to make us less safe, but very little he can do to make us safe.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 8, 2015 21:18:08 GMT -5
And the weapons being smuggled into Gaza are to defend against the tyranny of the Israelis, not, for example, for lobbing mortars into the middle of mall parking lots. Be sure to note that Hamas isn't Islamic, even though Hamas stands for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya, which translates to "Islamic Resistance Movement". stop making up arguments. the argument is not that ISIS is not Islamic, Virgil. the argument is that they don't represent Islam any more than WBC represents Christianity. you can mock the argument if you like, but at least get it right. The argument in Reply #507 is that anti-Israeli terrorism ≠ Islamic terrorism, which simply isn't true. I think you'll agree with that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 8, 2015 21:19:23 GMT -5
stop making up arguments. the argument is not that ISIS is not Islamic, Virgil. the argument is that they don't represent Islam any more than WBC represents Christianity. you can mock the argument if you like, but at least get it right. The argument in Reply #507 is that anti-Israeli terrorism ≠ Islamic terrorism, which simply isn't true. I think you'll agree with that. ah. ok. sorry. i am not going to get dragged into the Arab/Israeli war today. carry on.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 9, 2015 0:01:22 GMT -5
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger, this is not the place for religious discussion, whether it's copy/pasted from The Blaze, or not. I'm going to remove that last post. You've left a link in your previous post. People are fully capable of reading the article. mmhmm, Administrator
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Post by Ombud on Dec 9, 2015 0:12:51 GMT -5
Wikipedia, A non religious website en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacksIslamic Terrorism isn't new. It's just fairly new that it's on our soil. So how do we protect ourselves against these radicals? And why do we want to import more when we aren't properly vetting them? Ya gotta admit that we missed her And while we're at it, let's step up our diligence in vetting Judeo-Christian Jihadists hell bent on committing terrorism on US soil in the name of the Bible immigrating from regions experiencing their terrorist acts as well ... Not productive to discriminate
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 9, 2015 11:51:39 GMT -5
Wikipedia, A non religious website en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacksIslamic Terrorism isn't new. It's just fairly new that it's on our soil. So how do we protect ourselves against these radicals? And why do we want to import more when we aren't properly vetting them? Ya gotta admit that we missed her And while we're at it, let's step up our diligence in vetting Judeo-Christian Jihadists hell bent on committing terrorism on US soil in the name of the Bible immigrating from regions experiencing their terrorist acts as well ... Not productive to discriminate the history of suicide terrorism is roughly (40) years old, in it's modern incarnation. Hamas was the originator of it. because it was so successful, the model has been used elsewhere, where it has also been successful. there are only two ways to contain it. the first is to undermine it's success, and the second is to address it's causes. we are doing neither.
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Post by Ombud on Dec 9, 2015 12:10:09 GMT -5
Wikipedia, A non religious website en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacksIslamic Terrorism isn't new. It's just fairly new that it's on our soil. So how do we protect ourselves against these radicals? And why do we want to import more when we aren't properly vetting them? Ya gotta admit that we missed her And while we're at it, let's step up our diligence in vetting Judeo-Christian Jihadists hell bent on committing terrorism on US soil in the name of the Bible immigrating from regions experiencing their terrorist acts as well ... Not productive to discriminate the history of suicide terrorism is roughly (40) years old, in it's modern incarnation. Hamas was the originator of it. because it was so successful, the model has been used elsewhere, where it has also been successful. there are only two ways to contain it. the first is to undermine it's success, and the second is to address it's causes. we are doing neither. We need to study the Moroccan way of dealing with it according to the Israelis Meanwhile Israel - Jordan - valid Palestine Governments are moving forward (Dead 2 Red project) to a more pressing issue. Israel historically has provided water ... now technology on a very serious issue to both their region and ours (California)
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 9, 2015 12:13:49 GMT -5
the history of suicide terrorism is roughly (40) years old, in it's modern incarnation. Hamas was the originator of it. because it was so successful, the model has been used elsewhere, where it has also been successful. there are only two ways to contain it. the first is to undermine it's success, and the second is to address it's causes. we are doing neither. We need to study the Moroccan way of dealing with it according to the Israelis Meanwhile Israel - Jordan - valid Palestine Governments are moving forward (Dead 2 Red project) to a more pressing issue. Israel historically has provided water ... now technology on a very serious issue to both their region and ours (California) study would be welcome, when compared to the collective out-freakage.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 9, 2015 15:08:15 GMT -5
of course! the Ft. Hood shooter has similarities. but here is my point: this is not an issue of "immigration", right? this guy was a US citizen. This is an issue of Muslim/jihadist terrorism. Everything else is just a side issue. I don't think the people being shot and killed/wounded really cared if he was a US citizen. I also don't care where a Muslim jihadist originates. I wish to retain my legal right to kill someone trying to kill me. California has already enacted Obama's wish list of gun control measures. Universal background checks, magazine limits, waiting periods, how's that working over there ? Sorry, I don't share the gun control delusion. You don't think there should be background checks and waiting periods? Seriously? So, any enraged husband with a restraining order should be able to waltz into a gun shop and walk out with a gun?
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 9, 2015 15:12:17 GMT -5
How about a paranoid schizophrenic? Or some nut on the no-fly list who is furious that someone at work dissed the prophet? No background checks at all?
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 9, 2015 16:17:44 GMT -5
Where were the more than a million Palestinians (and some Syrians) supposed to go after the creation of Israel in 1948 and after Israel captured the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and Golan Heights in 1967 and where they always had lived? OK, you can debate the state of Israel part and say there may have been jews and Palestinians there before the creation of Israel, but on Gaza strip and Golan heights, i think Rambo has the best quote (hey, they drew first blood, not me).
There was this thing in the news when you were a young man called the 6 days war. Israel captured land and kept it after being attacked, just like most countries do.
Yes I know it was a 6-day war, pops. I noted the year in my post or did you miss it. And the sides have been fighting over the land ever since.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 9, 2015 16:58:06 GMT -5
Yes I know it was a 6-day war, pops. I noted the year in my post or did you miss it. And the sides have been fighting over the land ever since. OK, I gotcha.
So then, i guess they should have thought of that before they attacked civilians in another country.
Maybe there is such a thing as right and wrong, and maybe the anti-Israeli's are "wrong".
All sides will eventually figure it out and do what is best for their countries.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 9, 2015 19:10:55 GMT -5
All sides will eventually figure it out and do what is best for their countries. Sorry to pull your chain Tenn, i just woke up ornery today. And I didn't have my senior citizen nap today.
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Post by fishy999 on Dec 9, 2015 22:49:51 GMT -5
How about a paranoid schizophrenic? Or some nut on the no-fly list who is furious that someone at work dissed the prophet? No background checks at all? That and no waiting period- when you need a gun- you need one NOW! My second amendment right to stand my ground against my cheating spouse is protected by the US Constitution- which ironically is a right bestowed by the government that these idiots are just waiting to take up arms against Guns for all!
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 10, 2015 6:41:12 GMT -5
Within 24 hours of their death, and less than 48 hours after the attack the Federal government told us she was a radical Jhihadist long before she came here in 2014. This tells us that the visa program did not do the proper vetting, as they did not discover any signs of radicalism, but after the fact, our government put it all together. Too little too late.
I hope the government bureacrat(s) who rubber stamped the marriage visa sleeps well at night. Our government is responsible for this slaughter. I am sure some posters might want me to change the title of the thread now,to reflect that view, but I am not just quite there yet.
This is what Trump is talking about. Stopping SPECIFIC immigration, TEMPORARILY, until the government can assure us they are doing their job. Everyday more Americans are understanding so many government programs are just broken, and not coming close to fulfilling their legal obligations to American citizens. I digressed, because as we all know now this was an attack by radical Islamic jhadists who professed their faith to ISIS.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 10, 2015 11:47:36 GMT -5
Within 24 hours of their death, and less than 48 hours after the attack the Federal government told us she was a radical Jhihadist long before she came here in 2014. This tells us that the visa program did not do the proper vetting, as they did not discover any signs of radicalism, but after the fact, our government put it all together. Too little too late. I hope the government bureacrat(s) who rubber stamped the marriage visa sleeps well at night. Our government is responsible for this slaughter. I am sure some posters might want me to change the title of the thread now,to reflect that view, but I am not just quite there yet. This is what Trump is talking about. Stopping SPECIFIC immigration, TEMPORARILY, until the government can assure us they are doing their job. Everyday more Americans are understanding so many government programs are just broken, and not coming close to fulfilling their legal obligations to American citizens. I digressed, because as we all know now this was an attack by radical Islamic jhadists who professed their faith to ISIS. no, he is not talking about stopping SPECIFIC immigration. he is talking about barring all Muslims from entry. please stop repeating that claim. it is false. edit: he has also said the he would stop it "until the problem is solved". when is that? the Fort Hood shooter was born in 1970. it took 39 years before he shot up Fort Hood. so, we are talking at least 40 years, now. at least. probably a lot longer. that sound temporary to you? it doesn't to me.
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Post by Opti on Dec 10, 2015 12:28:25 GMT -5
Within 24 hours of their death, and less than 48 hours after the attack the Federal government told us she was a radical Jhihadist long before she came here in 2014. This tells us that the visa program did not do the proper vetting, as they did not discover any signs of radicalism, but after the fact, our government put it all together. Too little too late. I hope the government bureacrat(s) who rubber stamped the marriage visa sleeps well at night. Our government is responsible for this slaughter. I am sure some posters might want me to change the title of the thread now,to reflect that view, but I am not just quite there yet. This is what Trump is talking about. Stopping SPECIFIC immigration, TEMPORARILY, until the government can assure us they are doing their job. Everyday more Americans are understanding so many government programs are just broken, and not coming close to fulfilling their legal obligations to American citizens. I digressed, because as we all know now this was an attack by radical Islamic jhadists who professed their faith to ISIS. Part of the problem appears to be that different VISA categories have different vetting requirements. I agree this needs to be fixed ASAP. So it isn't that the program is broken per se, it needs to be fixed because the world has changed it no longer is wise to do lesser vetting on certain categories. The process needs strengthening and changing.
Laws will need to be passed to change the vetting requirements of VISAs.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 15, 2015 13:04:16 GMT -5
They closed all the schools in L.A. today so there is something to what you're saying, OC.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 15, 2015 13:09:15 GMT -5
They closed all the schools in L.A. today so there is something to what you're saying, OC. I was waiting for someone to mention this and directly or indirectly reference it to Muslims and San Bernadino. I trust you are aware anyone and their mother could have called in/emailed a threat and said they were ISIL or some other terrorist group. But it's let blame the Muslims.
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Post by Opti on Dec 15, 2015 14:17:54 GMT -5
How do photos of the outside of a HS connect with inside information? Also, your link does not work for me. I get not found. They may have updated/moved the story.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 15, 2015 15:48:19 GMT -5
How do photos of the outside of a HS connect with inside information? Also, your link does not work for me. I get not found. They may have updated/moved the story. A Muslim probably hacked the link.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 15, 2015 21:58:00 GMT -5
Well the link was there when It was posted, but it sure does not work now. That story said the the police had found several pictures of that high school on his phone. Since the authorities have said the thought that the shooters had other targets in mind, which led me to think the school might have been another target. (Old coyote is easily led astray) My other question was to the fact that he was a government employee, did he have access to information that could be used in attacks? I also don't think there is a link between the shooters and email that caused the shutdown of the schools. In my humble opinion , We have a hacker laughing their butt off over this extreme over reaction to a email. Please notice, the police in La did not call out the tactical squads over this! If ISIS did have something to do with this I must congratulate them, for a maneuver that cost their enemy millions of dollars, huge amount of wasted time and resources over a single email.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 15, 2015 22:00:19 GMT -5
Next question, what are we going to do when there are daily emails like this, just shut down everything every day??
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 15, 2015 22:05:38 GMT -5
ISIL laughs at us when we shut down daily life out of fear of the unknown.
ISIL says 'boo!' and a portion of America runs and ccries 'OMG! We're gonna die.'
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 15, 2015 22:13:42 GMT -5
ISIL laughs at us when we shut down daily life out of fear of the unknown. ISIL says 'boo!' and a portion of America runs and ccries 'OMG! We're gonna die.' I absolutely agree with you Tenn.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 15, 2015 22:16:34 GMT -5
ISIL laughs at us when we shut down daily life out of fear of the unknown. ISIL says 'boo!' and a portion of America runs and ccries 'OMG! We're gonna die.' I absolutely agree with you Tenn.
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