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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 11:48:23 GMT -5
if i pledge allegiance to Dr. Kervorkian, does it mean that he personally guided my decision?
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 6, 2015 11:51:53 GMT -5
In light of the title of this thread, it should be pointed out there is no proof Daesh was involved in this attack and they have not claimed responsibility, as is their normal practice. At this point, it's more logical to assume (if we absolutely must assume) the culprits to have been self-radicalized (as well as rendered quite dead). The thread title is very misleading. It is intriguing. Why not claim responsibility? It isn't like Snopes is going to write a column declaring it false and people will laugh at them for making the claim. As far as the thread title, there is this position: ... Even if it wasn't an official act of Isis, the use of Isis-style attacks makes it so. Of course, that gives ISIS/ISIL/Daesh a lot more power than they actually have in the world.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 6, 2015 11:53:21 GMT -5
Because she pledged allegiance to Daesh doesn't mean they planned this; nor, does it mean they were directly involved. Just because some nut decides to pledge allegiance to an organization doesn't mean that organization accepts them. Daesh has not claimed responsibility for this idiocy and they don't hesitate to claim responsibility for any idiocy in which they're involved. There is no evidence Daesh was responsible for this.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 6, 2015 11:55:51 GMT -5
In light of the title of this thread, it should be pointed out there is no proof Daesh was involved in this attack and they have not claimed responsibility, as is their normal practice. At this point, it's more logical to assume (if we absolutely must assume) the culprits to have been self-radicalized (as well as rendered quite dead). The thread title is very misleading. It is intriguing. Why not claim responsibility? It isn't like Snopes is going to write a column declaring it false and people will laugh at them for making the claim. As far as the thread title, there is this position: ... Even if it wasn't an official act of Isis, the use of Isis-style attacks makes it so. Of course, that gives ISIS/ISIL/Daesh a lot more power than they actually have in the world. "Isis-style attacks?" Since when? There were attacks with guns and explosive devices before Daesh came into existence. This was not unique in its "style".
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 6, 2015 12:00:02 GMT -5
if i pledge allegiance to Dr. Kervorkian, does it mean that he personally guided my decision? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/yeahthat.gif) Does that mean I can blame all my actions on the flag? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/flag.gif)
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 12:00:40 GMT -5
It is intriguing. Why not claim responsibility? It isn't like Snopes is going to write a column declaring it false and people will laugh at them for making the claim. As far as the thread title, there is this position: Of course, that gives ISIS/ISIL/Daesh a lot more power than they actually have in the world. "Isis-style attacks?" Since when? There were attacks with guns and explosive devices before Daesh came into existence. This was not unique in its "style". there are as many details which are ISIS like as there are details that are NOT. for example, when has ISIS employed women? when have they attacked people they know? when have they used rented vehicles? when have they failed to have suicide vests or backup? maybe there are countless examples, but i am not aware of any.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 6, 2015 12:02:45 GMT -5
... "Isis-style attacks?" Since when? There were attacks with guns and explosive devices before Daesh came into existence. This was not unique in its "style". This is 'merica. Nothing takes place prior to the latest thing that takes place.
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Post by Ombud on Dec 6, 2015 12:44:09 GMT -5
if i pledge allegiance to Dr. Kervorkian, does it mean that he personally guided my decision? I have a REALLY hard time defending / minimizing Daesh and what their followers do in light of who / what they are. But this is an open forum and you have the right to do so in the free world
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 12:48:49 GMT -5
kinda. somewhat. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png)
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 6, 2015 13:11:04 GMT -5
Now what? What does this knowledge provide us to inform our reactions?
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 6, 2015 13:14:43 GMT -5
if i pledge allegiance to Dr. Kervorkian, does it mean that he personally guided my decision? I have a REALLY hard time defending / minimizing Daesh and what their followers do in light of who / what they are. But this is an open forum and you have the right to do so in the free world I find it impossible to defend Daesh. I think it is important to have a realistic understanding of them so that we can act against them intelligently and not make terror based knee jerk reactions.
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Post by Opti on Dec 6, 2015 13:15:16 GMT -5
I read the article. Did I miss the threatening coworkers for months part?
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 6, 2015 13:20:12 GMT -5
I miss the past histrionics of EBOLA.
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Post by Opti on Dec 6, 2015 13:20:52 GMT -5
Has ISIS claimed responsibility? No.
Yet the terror group has hailed the couple, describing them as "supporters."
But for a group quick to claim credit and thump its chest after high-profile attacks, it was notable that ISIS did not say the couple were members or that it was responsible.
When claiming responsibility for other terrorist attacks, ISIS normally hails attackers as "knights" or "soldiers." This time, it stuck to "supporters," using its official radio station to say it hopes God will "accept them as martyrs."
"What they're calling these two are supporters, which is kind of a lesser level," indicating it might not have had direct contact with the couple, said Rick Francona, a CNN military analyst and a former intelligence officer.
That said, the group has made general, vague calls urging sympathizers to carry out attacks on their own. www.cnn.com/2015/12/06/san-bernardino-shooting-what-we-know/
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 6, 2015 13:29:37 GMT -5
I'm afraid not. Just because these two creeps were followers of radical Islam, or espoused to the rantings of Daesh, it does not follow that Daesh was involved in this atrocity. They're atrocious enough and they thrive on the publicity their atrocities bring them. We don't need to be giving them credit for the actions of two idiots in San Bernardino.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 6, 2015 13:30:46 GMT -5
I have a REALLY hard time defending / minimizing Daesh and what their followers do in light of who / what they are. But this is an open forum and you have the right to do so in the free world I find it impossible to defend Daesh. I think it is important to have a realistic understanding of them so that we can act against them intelligently and not make terror based knee jerk reactions. I haven't seen anyone here defending Daesh. Have you?
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 6, 2015 13:33:17 GMT -5
if i pledge allegiance to Dr. Kervorkian, does it mean that he personally guided my decision? I have a REALLY hard time defending / minimizing Daesh and what their followers do in light of who / what they are. But this is an open forum and you have the right to do so in the free world Good grief! We all have friends. I guess we could call them followers, if we wished, just as they could call us followers. So, if my friend says he hates ice cream and wishes all ice cream vendors destroyed and I go out and blow up a Baskin Robbins, is he at the bottom of that action? I think not. Don't give Daesh credit so quickly and easily.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 13:50:40 GMT -5
if i pledge allegiance to Dr. Kervorkian, does it mean that he personally guided my decision? I have a REALLY hard time defending / minimizing Daesh and what their followers do in light of who / what they are. personal remark deleted. nobody here is defending ISIS.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 6, 2015 13:50:41 GMT -5
Kinda. Somewhat. When we pull funding/our military and stop buying oil from the mid east, let China deploy while providing air and logistics for their currency reserves - plus a new world form of Islam evolves - then it will be resolved.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 13:52:24 GMT -5
Kinda. Somewhat. When we pull funding/our military and stop buying oil from the mid east, let China deploy while providing air and logistics for their currency reserves - plus a new world form of Islam evolves - then it will be resolved. do you see any of that as even a remote possibility?
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 6, 2015 13:54:00 GMT -5
Kinda. Somewhat. When we pull funding/our military and stop buying oil from the mid east, let China deploy while providing air and logistics for their currency reserves - plus a new world form of Islam evolves - then it will be resolved. do you see any of that as even a remote possibility? Yes, all of it. Details later. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 13:53:58 GMT -5
I have a REALLY hard time defending / minimizing Daesh and what their followers do in light of who / what they are. But this is an open forum and you have the right to do so in the free world I find it impossible to defend Daesh. I think it is important to have a realistic understanding of them so that we can act against them intelligently and not make terror based knee jerk reactions. i think that giving them unwarranted credit for this action is far worse than defending them, don't you?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 13:55:25 GMT -5
do you see any of that as even a remote possibility? Yes, all of it. Details later. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png) i will wait. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 13:59:05 GMT -5
I have a REALLY hard time defending / minimizing Daesh and what their followers do in light of who / what they are. But this is an open forum and you have the right to do so in the free world Good grief! We all have friends. I guess we could call them followers, if we wished, just as they could call us followers. So, if my friend says he hates ice cream and wishes all ice cream vendors destroyed and I go out and blow up a Baskin Robbins, is he at the bottom of that action? I think not. Don't give Daesh credit so quickly and easily. nailed it. this is precisely how i feel. they are trying to make themselves seem bigger than they really are. i want them squashed like like the vermin they are.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Dec 6, 2015 14:09:46 GMT -5
Isis is firm in its position that women should be in the background supporting the men who wage war and commit atrocities. This woman clearly decided to play a starring role rather than be a "good" Muslim woman and stay at home and let her husband get all of the credit. Isis won't give her the benefit of calling her a soldier for the cause because, well, then they would have to admit that women are capable of far more than being barefoot, pregnant, and either in the kitchen or the bedroom. So, Isis is trying to pick its words carefully. On the one hand, they are thrilled that 14 "evil" Americans were killed -- including at least one of Jewish faith and likely several Christians. On the other hand, damn, a woman did it and likely even planned it and turned her husband on to the plan. That doesn't play out well with extreme Islamist ideals. If not for the loss of innocent life, I almost want to ROFL.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2015 14:54:05 GMT -5
I am appalled at a few of the posts that were posted today. Semantics and tomato/tamata arguments are ridiculous at this point. I really give a you know what whether it was ISIS inspired or not. It is radical Islamic terrorism Does it matter whether it was ISIS or AQ? Hopefully our President will finally, officially, for the first time ever, admit to the American public, he was incorrect about ISIS and radical Islam, and a few posters will finally see the new talking points and agree. In the mean time, read this. www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/exclusive-california-shooters-likely-planned-multiple-attacks-official/ar-AAg5rXp?li=BBnb7KzThe simple fact every agency agrees this couple did not have the monetary ability to amass everything they did, make it what it is. Radical Islamic terrorism backed by fellow radical terrorists of Islam faith to attack civilians and create a fog of war with fellow countrymen. The opponents of my view and a few other fellow Americans here, seem to be lost in the world of semantics. Just call it what it is. In some ways I hope the backers of the President's stance, and the President himself, stay their present course. It will guarentee in fourteen months we will elect a President who understands world affairs and how to solve attacks of war against the U.S.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 6, 2015 14:57:24 GMT -5
Yes, all of it. Details later. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png) i will wait. I'm not going to get into the evolution of Islam here, and a couple looney toons from on this board are close to getting their way on energy independence. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/zipit.png) for now. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) Not sure if you can read this article, but it lays it all out nicely. As far as I'm concerned the author wrote it softly, but he may still truly believe that we aren't going to see the East completely flare up. -idk- www.wsj.com/articles/can-beijing-sell-silk-road-as-a-marshall-plan-against-terror-1448949756The way I see it, all we have to do is admit that China was right about Islamic terror.. Then we cut off aid to these countries, and let the contractors work for China.... we tell China that the best way to fight terror now - because we were wrong - is to put as much money and protection into the USA to keep the economy going as we can, which of course benefits China as well.. They want their new silk road; which is fine because American business(economy) will also benefit from that because China will be broke after fighting the war and building the road. Essentially after all this plays out, the whole world will be one giant partnership where everyone will be getting paid, and everyone will have a little piece of everyone else.... ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 14:58:20 GMT -5
I am appalled at a few of the posts that were posted today. Semantics and tomato/tamata arguments are ridiculous at this point. this is not a semantics argument. so, go ahead and get appalled, but realize that you are getting appalled over your own perceptions, nothing more. edit: we all agree that it is a terrorist act inspired by Islamic radicalism as of today, VB. so, pretending that any of us are disagreeing with that is ignoring the facts.
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