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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 5, 2015 0:08:50 GMT -5
we always need friends, and we will all pay the price. I know we will all have to go through tribulating times, that's what I have been saying since Putin invaded Ukraine. We have all the friends we need here in North America and Isreal. Plus, our friends in China have been saying for years that we have been being naive - more on that later. The House of Saud "I.S." no allie, that's what I was talking about. Been talking out the side of their mouth about reform and all that and the whole time they were just waiting to strike... And then there is Iran..(not even going to get into that here.. different thread) sounds like you have read "Sleeping With The Devil". have you?
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 5, 2015 0:15:01 GMT -5
Thank us for what? He was an American citizen that did well for himself- isn't that the dream? The white picket fence is available to all that work hard. So where did it go wrong- that's the question. ISIS isn't claiming this- so we have self-radicalized people- or maybe it was the wife- we just don't know. The Islamic State has been praising these people since they found out the attack was very similar to what happened in Paris. Rental cars, tactical hits, bombs and all... The fact they hit people they knew signals that we have entered a new phase.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 5, 2015 0:17:13 GMT -5
I know we will all have to go through tribulating times, that's what I have been saying since Putin invaded Ukraine. We have all the friends we need here in North America and Isreal. Plus, our friends in China have been saying for years that we have been being naive - more on that later. The House of Saud "I.S." no allie, that's what I was talking about. Been talking out the side of their mouth about reform and all that and the whole time they were just waiting to strike... And then there is Iran..(not even going to get into that here.. different thread) sounds like you have read "Sleeping With The Devil". have you? I haven't read it, but I understand exactly what it's about. The things one lives through, eh? ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 5, 2015 0:23:12 GMT -5
sounds like you have read "Sleeping With The Devil". have you? I haven't read it, but I understand exactly what it's about. The things one lives through, eh? ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) i think you'd like that book.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 5, 2015 0:25:27 GMT -5
At least there is some sanity left in this country. Most Americans see Muslims like any other group after California shooting - poll
Just days after two Muslims were accused of gunning down 14 people in California, a Reuters/Ipsos poll shows 51 percent of Americans view Muslims living in the United States the same as any other community, while 14.6 percent are generally fearful. In the first poll on views of Muslim Americans taken in the aftermath of the Paris and San Bernardino attacks, much of the division is partisan. Among Democrats, 60 percent said they view Muslims like any other community, compared with 30 percent of Republicans. Of the 1,056 likely voters across the nation polled online on Thursday and Friday, 34.7 percent said they are fearful of "a few groups and individuals" in the Muslim community. The poll has a credibility interval of 3.4 percentage points for all Americans and about 5.5 percentage points when looking at just Republican or Democratic responses. Republicans were more likely than Democrats to support closely monitoring mosques (64 percent compared with 43 percent) or closing ones with suspected extremist ties (69 percent to 48 percent). Full article here: Most Americans see Muslims like any other group after California shooting - poll
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 5, 2015 1:37:15 GMT -5
Here you go.
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Weltz, although I understand your thoughts on this, please supply a link, as many terrorist deniers here will claim it isn't her Please note: no board members were actually "intentionally emotionally hurt" by this request. ty Could be her. Could be Ronald McDonald. Who knows what's under there?
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 5, 2015 4:35:53 GMT -5
DJ, you are one of the most intelligent and thoughtful people in this little community. Don't fight your gut feelings and instincts, they are usually right. The fact that the FBI has not called this terrorism yet, is because of some overly restrictive definition. Most thinking people don't need to be told what it is...the train has left the station. This was a radicalized muslim jihadist, who was prepared to kill hundreds, with his wife...because we are evil Americans and not muslim...it was a Christmas celebration. This guy was born in Chicago, had a decent job...had a better life than he ever would have had in Pakistan, and he does this to thank us? Thank us for what? He was an American citizen that did well for himself- isn't that the dream? The white picket fence is available to all that work hard. So where did it go wrong- that's the question. ISIS isn't claiming this- so we have self-radicalized people- or maybe it was the wife- we just don't know. His friends say it was the wife.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3346988/I-think-married-terrorist-Friends-San-Bernardino-shooter-Syed-Farook-certain-radicalized-Pakistani-wife-disappeared-following-California-wedding-one-year-massacre.html
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 5, 2015 7:50:04 GMT -5
I haven't read it, but I understand exactly what it's about. The things one lives through, eh? ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/grin.png) i think you'd like that book. I will check it out for sure. I have seen you mention it quite a few times in the past and have checked out the summary - just haven't read it all yet.
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Post by Opti on Dec 5, 2015 9:18:29 GMT -5
My guess is our vetting process should change. If the US is only checking for known terrorists it will miss those who are associates who haven't done anything yet. I have no idea how practical it would be, but perhaps some sort of watch should be on those who come from areas known for terrorism. I think the link Welt's posted concerning Malik's journey, placed her university in a heavy recruiting zone.
She may have picked him in part because in his dating profile he put he likes shooting guns with his sisters.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2015 9:34:36 GMT -5
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 5, 2015 11:00:56 GMT -5
I have a good friend who married in Pakistan and then returned to Canada.
Having known him for nearly 20 years, if he turned out to be a mass shooter, my conceptions about humanity would shatter. My mind would snap in two. I'd have an easier time believing that he was killed and his identity usurped by a doppelganger in Pakistan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 11:42:09 GMT -5
I'm wondering that also. I was mistaken about the BIL at the press conference. They were both lawyers for the family so could be they got it wrong. I suppose it will be a bit before we get the whole story from that day.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 5, 2015 12:00:54 GMT -5
I have a good friend who married in Pakistan and then returned to Canada. Having known him for nearly 20 years, if he turned out to be a mass shooter, my conceptions about humanity would shatter. My mind would snap in two. I'd have an easier time believing that he was killed and his identity usurped by a doppelganger in Pakistan. i dated a woman from Pakistan for a couple of years. her dad was in the Pakistani Royal Air force. she was a Muslim. but other than the cooking, and her knowledge of Urdu, you could not tell the difference between her and any other Londoner.
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Post by Ombud on Dec 5, 2015 12:29:32 GMT -5
How about a gay Jewish boy taking a Muslim girl to Sr Prom bc his bf couldn't come & girl's mom has to sneak her out to go (he's both openly gay and Jewish)? Mom's fine / girl's fine / dad's strange
There is a variance in the Muslim community regarding tolerance .... some accept us & our offspring / some don't. However if someone walks like a duck / talks like a duck / communicates with ducks / acts like a duck / I'll assume they're a duck until PROVEN different
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 13:36:18 GMT -5
I have a good friend who married in Pakistan and then returned to Canada. Having known him for nearly 20 years, if he turned out to be a mass shooter, my conceptions about humanity would shatter. My mind would snap in two. I'd have an easier time believing that he was killed and his identity usurped by a doppelganger in Pakistan. That is where the fear comes in. The family didn't notice anything before the attack but what about now in hindsight? Usually don't those close to people that do things like this see some clues in hindsight ? They are still saying no, nothing- per the press conference yesterday anyway. Maybe that has changed by now.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 5, 2015 14:31:51 GMT -5
I have a good friend who married in Pakistan and then returned to Canada. Having known him for nearly 20 years, if he turned out to be a mass shooter, my conceptions about humanity would shatter. My mind would snap in two. I'd have an easier time believing that he was killed and his identity usurped by a doppelganger in Pakistan. That is where the fear comes in. The family didn't notice anything before the attack but what about now in hindsight? Usually don't those close to people that do things like this see some clues in hindsight ? They are still saying no, nothing- per the press conference yesterday anyway. Maybe that has changed by now.
I have no idea where this grandmother lived, but it may be just possible the siblings and father of the husband were never invited to his home and to see for themselves what was going on inside the residence. The couple seem to have been very secretive and the wife possibly quiet around his family.
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Post by Ombud on Dec 5, 2015 14:42:13 GMT -5
@xmascookie, the sister says she thought it was odd that she's never seen SIL's face
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Post by verrip1 on Dec 5, 2015 16:27:03 GMT -5
Hmmmm. I wonder if the family members are all playing Sgt. Schultz. Were they in denial? Oblivious/didn't care? Distancing themselves for after the train wreck happened?
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 5, 2015 16:49:53 GMT -5
I have a good friend who married in Pakistan and then returned to Canada. Having known him for nearly 20 years, if he turned out to be a mass shooter, my conceptions about humanity would shatter. My mind would snap in two. I'd have an easier time believing that he was killed and his identity usurped by a doppelganger in Pakistan. I have a friend I've known for 20 years who came here from Algeria. If he turned out to be a mass shooter, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. He came here for a better life, but still hates the west.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 6, 2015 3:53:57 GMT -5
I have a good friend who married in Pakistan and then returned to Canada. Having known him for nearly 20 years, if he turned out to be a mass shooter, my conceptions about humanity would shatter. My mind would snap in two. I'd have an easier time believing that he was killed and his identity usurped by a doppelganger in Pakistan. I have a friend I've known for 20 years who came here from Algeria. If he turned out to be a mass shooter, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. He came here for a better life, but still hates the west.
He needs a one way ticket to his beloved homeland
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 6, 2015 3:58:53 GMT -5
I have a friend I've known for 20 years who came here from Algeria. If he turned out to be a mass shooter, it wouldn't surprise me in the least. He came here for a better life, but still hates the west.
He needs a one way ticket to his beloved homeland No sh!t. He tried to convince me that it was Malala's father who shot her in the head and that the Taliban are nice, ordinary people. The western media makes it all up, you see.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 6, 2015 4:52:56 GMT -5
Every "refugee" we and other decent countries let into them need to swear allegiance to the country, not be a public charge, and follow our rules and customs. If they're not willing to do so, stay where you are. I think I'd be reporting anyone who has been living in a country for its benefits and still bad mouthing it to the nearest authorities for investigation and hopefully, deportation
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Post by Ombud on Dec 6, 2015 8:07:09 GMT -5
bc you can buy replacement parts legally over the Internet and them assemble it .... or so my sister claims (who also states that's how she got her AR15). I really want her to be wrong What I don't get is why the family thinks they need 6k rounds or how that's justified
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2015 8:15:19 GMT -5
Six thousand rounds on a good day on the gun range, can go very quickly with an AR-15
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2015 8:19:04 GMT -5
I agree no one really needs 6,000 rounds around the house. The police presence on the street to capture them proved the casual gun owner does not stand a chance against government officials in a gun battle, even if you are protecting yourself. So the amendment to guarentee gun ownership to protect yourself against an evil government, or king, is now nil.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 6, 2015 10:32:26 GMT -5
In light of the title of this thread, it should be pointed out there is no proof Daesh was involved in this attack and they have not claimed responsibility, as is their normal practice. At this point, it's more logical to assume (if we absolutely must assume) the culprits to have been self-radicalized (as well as rendered quite dead). The thread title is very misleading.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 11:45:26 GMT -5
how do they know they were purchased in CA? Las Vegas is only 3 hours from San Bernardino. Phoenix is only four.
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