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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 4, 2015 16:44:12 GMT -5
All the clothing still hanging in the closet on hangars. I would think every piece of clothing would have been removed, checked for any evidence, notes, etc, and removed from the premises. The rooms do not even look like they were torn apart to look for anything hidden away. Amazing Vandals would have torn the place apart better than ATF and FBI Update. MSNBC was showing footage of their apartment. They showed a wastebasket with shredded paper in it. Wouldn't the FBI take shredded papers to rebuild the document for any pertinent evidence or information? Reporter also said there was enough pampers in there to use for two weeks, and wondered if the assassins moved their attack date up in time for some reason. Apparently, the government/law enforcement was done with the apartment. Why were reporters let inside the shooters' apartment
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Dec 4, 2015 16:47:47 GMT -5
i have to admit i was worried about it as soon as i learned this dude's name. i don't like myself for it, but there it is. DJ, you are one of the most intelligent and thoughtful people in this little community. Don't fight your gut feelings and instincts, they are usually right. The fact that the FBI has not called this terrorism yet, is because of some overly restrictive definition. Most thinking people don't need to be told what it is...the train has left the station. This was a radicalized muslim jihadist, who was prepared to kill hundreds, with his wife...because we are evil Americans and not muslim...it was a Christmas celebration. This guy was born in Chicago, had a decent job...had a better life than he ever would have had in Pakistan, and he does this to thank us?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 4, 2015 16:54:48 GMT -5
by "liking" the demonizers posts, that's how. oh, and by calling us "f(*King idiots". yeah. that. dj - I have apologized for that , sorry you have not accepted it.
i never saw your apology, sweets. apology accepted, and appreciated. and i will let the other thing go, as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 17:03:06 GMT -5
dj - I have apologized for that , sorry you have not accepted it.
i never saw your apology, sweets. apology accepted, and appreciated. and i will let the other thing go, as well. Other things?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 4, 2015 17:07:02 GMT -5
i never saw your apology, sweets. apology accepted, and appreciated. and i will let the other thing go, as well. Other things? THING!!! not things!!! you know, the likey thingy. i overreacted, i guess.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 4, 2015 17:41:16 GMT -5
Attorney for the family members of the terrorists insist he was not a terrorist! Their child is in protective services right now. Family members are in "complete shock"
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 4, 2015 17:50:17 GMT -5
Attorney for the family members of the terrorists insist he was not a terrorist! Their child is in protective services right now. Family members are in "complete shock" That's not uncommon. As nutty as it sounds, the family probably didn't miss any red flags either. Many of these sleepers are totally indistinguishable from regular, well-adjusted citizens. They're mowing their lawns, playing with the dog, picking their kids up from daycare one day, and committing mass-murder the next. Not all of them, but enough that it's frightening.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 4, 2015 17:51:13 GMT -5
Attorney for the family members of the terrorists insist he was not a terrorist! ... And the sun rose in the East this morning. The Earth's rotation and attorney statements are two things we can predict with confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 18:04:08 GMT -5
Attorney for the family members of the terrorists insist he was not a terrorist! Their child is in protective services right now. Family members are in "complete shock" That's not uncommon. As nutty as it sounds, the family probably didn't miss any red flags either. Many of these sleepers are totally indistinguishable from regular, well-adjusted citizens. They're mowing their lawns, playing with the dog, picking their kids up from daycare one day, and committing mass-murder the next. Not all of them, but enough that it's frightening. The grandma lived with them in an apt. full of pipe bombs and and thought that was normal?
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 4, 2015 18:08:29 GMT -5
I have to wonder what this guy was up to. Maybe the police stopped another mass killing before it could occur. He had more rounds of ammunition than the San Bernardino killers. Massive weapons hoard found at home of arrested L.I. manA Long Island man impersonating a federal Air Marshal has been arrested for having a frightening cache of weapons, ammo and body armor, officials said Friday. Investigators are trying to unravel what Mark Vicars was doing with the weapons but said he has no apparent links to terrorism. Acting on a tip, authorities stopped Vicars, 49, in his 2014 Dodge Durango on the Jericho Turnpike in Syosset about 7:40 a.m. Thursday, officials said. Vicars, who lives in Syosset, turned on flashing lights and brandished a fake shield identifying himself as a federal Air Marshal when stopped, officials said. Cops found he was carrying a knife and a .380-caliber pistol. They then searched his home, finding a loaded assault rifle, a ballistic body armor vest, a tactical vest and three high-capacity magazines carrying 8,300 rounds. Although he had a fake badge, a parking placard, hat and other items indicating that he worked for Homeland Security, Vicars has never been employed by any law enforcement agency, authorities said. He has no criminal record, officials said. Massive weapons hoard found at home of arrested L.I. man
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 4, 2015 18:15:05 GMT -5
I have to wonder what this guy was up to. .... While I, too, wonder what this guy was up to - I have to also wonder what this has to do with this thread.
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Post by Ombud on Dec 4, 2015 18:16:45 GMT -5
The grandma lived with them in an apt. full of pipe bombs and and thought that was normal? Her brand of normal?
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 4, 2015 18:17:51 GMT -5
I have to wonder what this guy was up to. Maybe the police stopped another mass killing before it could occur. He had more rounds of ammunition than the San Bernardino killers. Massive weapons hoard found at home of arrested L.I. manA Long Island man impersonating a federal Air Marshal has been arrested for having a frightening cache of weapons, ammo and body armor, officials said Friday. Investigators are trying to unravel what Mark Vicars was doing with the weapons but said he has no apparent links to terrorism. Acting on a tip, authorities stopped Vicars, 49, in his 2014 Dodge Durango on the Jericho Turnpike in Syosset about 7:40 a.m. Thursday, officials said. Vicars, who lives in Syosset, turned on flashing lights and brandished a fake shield identifying himself as a federal Air Marshal when stopped, officials said. Cops found he was carrying a knife and a .380-caliber pistol. They then searched his home, finding a loaded assault rifle, a ballistic body armor vest, a tactical vest and three high-capacity magazines carrying 8,300 rounds. Although he had a fake badge, a parking placard, hat and other items indicating that he worked for Homeland Security, Vicars has never been employed by any law enforcement agency, authorities said. He has no criminal record, officials said. Massive weapons hoard found at home of arrested L.I. manThe attorney for the surviving family members of the male terrorist has an explanation for having thousands of rounds of ammo on hand. You buy it in volume for lower discounted price You buy a lot when it is on sale You buy a lot when you can because the sporting goods store runs out of it a lot You cannot have enough ammo for target practice. Unfortunately there is truth in all of these reasons. Just have to make sure your target practice is not human beings.
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Post by Opti on Dec 4, 2015 18:19:09 GMT -5
That's not uncommon. As nutty as it sounds, the family probably didn't miss any red flags either. Many of these sleepers are totally indistinguishable from regular, well-adjusted citizens. They're mowing their lawns, playing with the dog, picking their kids up from daycare one day, and committing mass-murder the next. Not all of them, but enough that it's frightening. The grandma lived with them in an apt. full of pipe bombs and and thought that was normal?
They dropped her off to grandma. I don't think anyone lived with them except the child.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 4, 2015 18:19:18 GMT -5
I have to wonder what this guy was up to. .... While I, too, wonder what this guy was up to - I have to also wonder what this has to do with this thread. 8,000 rounds of ammo and fake government IDs.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 4, 2015 18:21:34 GMT -5
I have to wonder what this guy was up to. Maybe the police stopped another mass killing before it could occur. He had more rounds of ammunition than the San Bernardino killers. Massive weapons hoard found at home of arrested L.I. manA Long Island man impersonating a federal Air Marshal has been arrested for having a frightening cache of weapons, ammo and body armor, officials said Friday. Investigators are trying to unravel what Mark Vicars was doing with the weapons but said he has no apparent links to terrorism. Acting on a tip, authorities stopped Vicars, 49, in his 2014 Dodge Durango on the Jericho Turnpike in Syosset about 7:40 a.m. Thursday, officials said. Vicars, who lives in Syosset, turned on flashing lights and brandished a fake shield identifying himself as a federal Air Marshal when stopped, officials said. Cops found he was carrying a knife and a .380-caliber pistol. They then searched his home, finding a loaded assault rifle, a ballistic body armor vest, a tactical vest and three high-capacity magazines carrying 8,300 rounds. Although he had a fake badge, a parking placard, hat and other items indicating that he worked for Homeland Security, Vicars has never been employed by any law enforcement agency, authorities said. He has no criminal record, officials said. Massive weapons hoard found at home of arrested L.I. manThe attorney for the surviving family members of the male terrorist has an explanation for having thousands of rounds of ammo on hand. You buy it in volume for lower volume discount You buy a lot when it is on sale You buy a lot when you can because the sporting goods store runs out of it a lot You cannot have enough ammo for target practice. Unfortunately there is truth in all of these reasons. Just have to make sure your target practice is not human beings. From my link: "Vicars was hit with a slew of weapons charges as well as possession of a forged instrument."
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 4, 2015 18:23:23 GMT -5
just some more deflection of the actual discussion.
The attorney for the surviving family members did this also. It was about the beard. No reason given for all the pipe bombs on hand.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 4, 2015 18:29:22 GMT -5
The grandma lived with them in an apt. full of pipe bombs and and thought that was normal?
They dropped her off to grandma. I don't think anyone lived with them except the child. To back you up: "Just hours before the couple opened fire on Farook's co-workers in a government building in San Bernardino, they had dropped off their daughter at his mother's house, telling her they had a doctor's appointment." Malik's journey from Pakistan to mass murder
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 4, 2015 18:30:24 GMT -5
just some more deflection of the actual discussion. The attorney for the surviving family members did this also. It was about the beard. No reason given for all the pipe bombs on hand. No deflection. Just another news item of another potential mass murder that just may have been thwarted by someone alerting the police.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 4, 2015 18:37:44 GMT -5
... the surviving family members ... I find that interesting wording. There was the original shootings. They survived that incident. There was the shootout with the police. They survived that. They seem to have survived the tsunami in Japan in 2011. Which of these or whatever incident that they don't seem to really be connected to are you indicating they survived?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 18:43:33 GMT -5
They dropped her off to grandma. I don't think anyone lived with them except the child. To back you up: "Just hours before the couple opened fire on Farook's co-workers in a government building in San Bernardino, they had dropped off their daughter at his mother's house, telling her they had a doctor's appointment." Malik's journey from Pakistan to mass murderI just listened to a family member in a press conference explain that the baby was not dropped off anywhere but was left at home where the grandmother lived with the murdering couple.. I suppose he could be lying but that is what he said.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 4, 2015 19:10:27 GMT -5
... the surviving family members ... I find that interesting wording. There was the original shootings. They survived that incident. There was the shootout with the police. They survived that. They seem to have survived the tsunami in Japan in 2011. Which of these or whatever incident that they don't seem to really be connected to are you indicating they survived? You are right, but they are the survivors although they were not the intended or actual victims.They were left behind to figure it out and make the best of it they can. I do not intend any slight, or secret meaning in the use of the word.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 4, 2015 19:15:13 GMT -5
An interview with the sister on NBC nightly news..... The sister of the male terrorist assassin, stated she could not describe the physical attributes of her brother's wife. She never saw his wife's face in two years. She was always covered.
Not making any assumptions, just reporting a statement.
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Post by Opti on Dec 4, 2015 19:26:53 GMT -5
To back you up: "Just hours before the couple opened fire on Farook's co-workers in a government building in San Bernardino, they had dropped off their daughter at his mother's house, telling her they had a doctor's appointment." Malik's journey from Pakistan to mass murderI just listened to a family member in a press conference explain that the baby was not dropped off anywhere but was left at home where the grandmother lived with the murdering couple.. I suppose he could be lying but that is what he said.
If the baby was not dropped off, where was Grandma and the baby when the FBI broke into the rented townhome?
Here's a link with some video of the townhome. It only shows their bedroom and the baby's bedroom. Its not complete, no bathroom views. news.yahoo.com/see-inside-home-where-killers-213500320.html
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2015 20:06:13 GMT -5
I just listened to a family member in a press conference explain that the baby was not dropped off anywhere but was left at home where the grandmother lived with the murdering couple.. I suppose he could be lying but that is what he said.
If the baby was not dropped off, where was Grandma and the baby when the FBI broke into the rented townhome?
Here's a link with some video of the townhome. It only shows their bedroom and the baby's bedroom. Its not complete, no bathroom views. news.yahoo.com/see-inside-home-where-killers-213500320.html
He didn't say. He said the baby was not dropped off anywhere but was left with grandmother who lived with them . I think it was the spokesperson who was speaking for the family that said that but BIL was standing with him. I'm sure there is a tape of it or transcript somewhere out there. It was just a few hours ago. I'm lazy and not searching tonight, sorry.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 4, 2015 20:50:38 GMT -5
We need friends in the mid east right now like we need assholes on our elbows! Our "allies" got us into all the BS, and our "allies" are the ones that are ultimately going to pay the price. We got this shit, brother. You have a good one as well! we always need friends, and we will all pay the price. I know we will all have to go through tribulating times, that's what I have been saying since Putin invaded Ukraine. We have all the friends we need here in North America and Isreal. Plus, our friends in China have been saying for years that we have been being naive - more on that later. The House of Saud "I.S." no allie, that's what I was talking about. Been talking out the side of their mouth about reform and all that and the whole time they were just waiting to strike... And then there is Iran..(not even going to get into that here.. different thread)
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Post by Ombud on Dec 4, 2015 20:54:31 GMT -5
we always need friends, and we will all pay the price. I know we will all have to go through tribulating times, that's what I have been saying since Putin invaded Ukraine. We have all the friends we need here in North America and Isreal. Plus, our friends in China have been saying for years that we have been being naive - more on that later. The House of Saud "I.S." no allie, that's what I was talking about. Been talking out the side of their mouth about reform and all that and the whole time they were just waiting to strike... And then there is Iran..(not even going to get into that here.. different thread) And Morocco. They say the way to fight Daesh is to link joining it with Dishonoring the Father.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 4, 2015 20:57:59 GMT -5
I know we will all have to go through tribulating times, that's what I have been saying since Putin invaded Ukraine. We have all the friends we need here in North America and Isreal. Plus, our friends in China have been saying for years that we have been being naive - more on that later. The House of Saud "I.S." no allie, that's what I was talking about. Been talking out the side of their mouth about reform and all that and the whole time they were just waiting to strike... And then there is Iran..(not even going to get into that here.. different thread) And Morocco. They say the way to fight Daesh is to link joining it with Dishonoring the Father. Agreed. There is also Crislam... It's the way of the future.
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Post by fishy999 on Dec 4, 2015 23:07:56 GMT -5
i have to admit i was worried about it as soon as i learned this dude's name. i don't like myself for it, but there it is. DJ, you are one of the most intelligent and thoughtful people in this little community. Don't fight your gut feelings and instincts, they are usually right. The fact that the FBI has not called this terrorism yet, is because of some overly restrictive definition. Most thinking people don't need to be told what it is...the train has left the station. This was a radicalized muslim jihadist, who was prepared to kill hundreds, with his wife...because we are evil Americans and not muslim...it was a Christmas celebration. This guy was born in Chicago, had a decent job...had a better life than he ever would have had in Pakistan, and he does this to thank us? Thank us for what? He was an American citizen that did well for himself- isn't that the dream? The white picket fence is available to all that work hard. So where did it go wrong- that's the question. ISIS isn't claiming this- so we have self-radicalized people- or maybe it was the wife- we just don't know.
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