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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 17:32:58 GMT -5
The data leaks monitoring firm CybelAngel said that – in the overall trove of 37 million account-holders, straight and gay – it had counted 1,200 email addresses with the Saudia Arabian “.sa” suffix, where adultery is punishable by death.
More than 50 accounts have been found from Qatar where homosexual relationships are punishable by up to five years in prison, while almost 1,500 accounts are from Turkey – where homosexuality is not illegal but can get a person kicked out or banned from military service.
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Not the gay man, but still a dangerous situation for some who commited adultry.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 22, 2015 17:34:28 GMT -5
Thing is, we make decisions. Some of our decisions are good ones and some are not; however, both bring about results. Because of that, you need to weigh the possible outcomes of your decisions before you put anything into action. If you don't do that, and the decision turns out to be a bad one, the consequences are yours to bear. They certainly don't belong to anyone else. You have to own both the decision and the outcome - good or bad.
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Post by steff on Aug 22, 2015 17:34:48 GMT -5
The data leaks monitoring firm CybelAngel said that – in the overall trove of 37 million account-holders, straight and gay – it had counted 1,200 email addresses with the Saudia Arabian “.sa” suffix, where adultery is punishable by death.
More than 50 accounts have been found from Qatar where homosexual relationships are punishable by up to five years in prison, while almost 1,500 accounts are from Turkey – where homosexuality is not illegal but can get a person kicked out or banned from military service.
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Not the gay man, but still a dangerous situation for some who commited adultry. then maybe they shouldn't have cheated. They are responsible for their names & email addresses being there. No one else.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 22, 2015 17:36:53 GMT -5
Moral misconduct, like being married and having an affair, can have dire consequences for our military people, too. The Army, I believe, is especially harsh. There are a lot of .mil and .gov email addresses on that list.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 17:38:32 GMT -5
The data leaks monitoring firm CybelAngel said that – in the overall trove of 37 million account-holders, straight and gay – it had counted 1,200 email addresses with the Saudia Arabian “.sa” suffix, where adultery is punishable by death.
More than 50 accounts have been found from Qatar where homosexual relationships are punishable by up to five years in prison, while almost 1,500 accounts are from Turkey – where homosexuality is not illegal but can get a person kicked out or banned from military service.
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Not the gay man, but still a dangerous situation for some who commited adultry. then maybe they shouldn't have cheated. They are responsible for their names & email addresses being there. No one else. right they are responsible for being there. So tough luck for them. There is no penalty to great for doing wrong. I don't think America should execute adulterers, but maybe we should bring back the scarlet letter.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 22, 2015 17:38:43 GMT -5
Thing is, we make decisions. Some of our decisions are good ones and some are not; however, both bring about results. Because of that, you need to weigh the possible outcomes of your decisions before you put anything into action. If you don't do that, and the decision turns out to be a bad one, the consequences are yours to bear. They certainly don't belong to anyone else. You have to own both the decision and the outcome - good or bad. Unless that decision is to keep a child your spouse would rather abort. Then you get to stick another person with half the responsibility. Pretty sure we're having that discussion elsewhere. It doesn't belong in this thread.
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Post by steff on Aug 22, 2015 17:39:49 GMT -5
Thing is, we make decisions. Some of our decisions are good ones and some are not; however, both bring about results. Because of that, you need to weigh the possible outcomes of your decisions before you put anything into action. If you don't do that, and the decision turns out to be a bad one, the consequences are yours to bear. They certainly don't belong to anyone else. You have to own both the decision and the outcome - good or bad. Unless that decision is to keep a child your spouse would rather abort. Then you get to stick another person with half the responsibility. Damn, talking about whiplash subject change. That was a serious hard turn....warn us next time.
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Post by steff on Aug 22, 2015 17:41:17 GMT -5
then maybe they shouldn't have cheated. They are responsible for their names & email addresses being there. No one else. right they are responsible for being there. So tough luck for them. There is no penalty to great for doing wrong. Actually, looks like the first step in their "penalty" is being outed as cheaters. Interesting that you aren't that concerned about their personal responsibility & the consequences of their actions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 17:43:27 GMT -5
This place certainly is a very moralistic forum.
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Post by steff on Aug 22, 2015 17:43:29 GMT -5
then maybe they shouldn't have cheated. They are responsible for their names & email addresses being there. No one else. right they are responsible for being there. So tough luck for them. There is no penalty to great for doing wrong. I don't think America should execute adulterers, but maybe we should bring back the scarlet letter. Executing adulterers & scarlet letters....good grief....now you are just arguing to argue. If I wanted to argue with a man over something stupid, I'd go kick my hubby.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 22, 2015 17:43:36 GMT -5
The data leaks monitoring firm CybelAngel said that – in the overall trove of 37 million account-holders, straight and gay – it had counted 1,200 email addresses with the Saudia Arabian “.sa” suffix, where adultery is punishable by death.
More than 50 accounts have been found from Qatar where homosexual relationships are punishable by up to five years in prison, while almost 1,500 accounts are from Turkey – where homosexuality is not illegal but can get a person kicked out or banned from military service.
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Not the gay man, but still a dangerous situation for some who commited adultry. Maybe they should have thought twice before signing up? Did anyone hold a gun to their head? Why are you so against personal responsibility? If something is going to get me executed, then I'll be damned if I do anything that would even increase my risk of it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 17:45:18 GMT -5
This place certainly is a very moralistic forum. We worship at the alter of personal responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 17:46:36 GMT -5
right they are responsible for being there. So tough luck for them. There is no penalty to great for doing wrong. I don't think America should execute adulterers, but maybe we should bring back the scarlet letter. Executing adulterers & scarlet letters....good grief....now you are just arguing to argue. If I wanted to argue with a man over something stupid, I'd go kick my hubby. That is what we are talking about among other things. They execute adulterers in Saudi Arabia and there are a few thousand emails listed with the Saudi email ending. The hackers outed Saudi adulterers. The gay man was a Saudi and faced execution.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 17:48:11 GMT -5
Thing is, we make decisions. Some of our decisions are good ones and some are not; however, both bring about results. Because of that, you need to weigh the possible outcomes of your decisions before you put anything into action. If you don't do that, and the decision turns out to be a bad one, the consequences are yours to bear. They certainly don't belong to anyone else. You have to own both the decision and the outcome - good or bad. Unless that decision is to keep a child your spouse would rather abort. Then you get to stick another person with half the responsibility. Did she also drug him, cattle prod him, and use a turkey baster?
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Post by steff on Aug 22, 2015 17:49:00 GMT -5
Executing adulterers & scarlet letters....good grief....now you are just arguing to argue. If I wanted to argue with a man over something stupid, I'd go kick my hubby. That is what we are talking about among other things. They execute adulterers in Saudi Arabia and there are a few thousand emails listed with the Saudi email ending. The hackers outed Saudi adulterers. The gay man was a Saudi and faced execution. again....don't go looking to stick it elsewhere when you are married. Problem solved! So easy a cave man could do it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 17:49:56 GMT -5
The data leaks monitoring firm CybelAngel said that – in the overall trove of 37 million account-holders, straight and gay – it had counted 1,200 email addresses with the Saudia Arabian “.sa” suffix, where adultery is punishable by death.
More than 50 accounts have been found from Qatar where homosexual relationships are punishable by up to five years in prison, while almost 1,500 accounts are from Turkey – where homosexuality is not illegal but can get a person kicked out or banned from military service.
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Not the gay man, but still a dangerous situation for some who commited adultry. Maybe they should have thought twice before signing up? Did anyone hold a gun to their head? Why are you so against personal responsibility? If something is going to get me executed, then I'll be damned if I do anything that would even increase my risk of it. Please don't assign beliefs to me I do not hold. I really hate that. I am against hackers getting involved in the marriages of thousands of families? What happens in a marriage is not my place and it is not the place of hackers to involve themselves. There is a big difference between personal responsibility and being executed. And the person I talked about at first was single, so violated no personal responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 17:52:44 GMT -5
This place certainly is a very moralistic forum. We worship at the alter of personal responsibility. Both you and your husband seem like really nice people. Do you want some group of hackers to invade yours or your husband's personal information to expose something wrong? Expose it to the nation, something private and personal? Who knows if the spouses of some are okay with infidelity as long as it was discrete and now have to act or lose faith with family.
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Post by steff on Aug 22, 2015 17:53:04 GMT -5
Maybe they should have thought twice before signing up? Did anyone hold a gun to their head? Why are you so against personal responsibility? If something is going to get me executed, then I'll be damned if I do anything that would even increase my risk of it. Please don't assign beliefs to me I do not hold. I really hate that. I am against hackers getting involved in the marriages of thousands of families? What happens in a marriage is not my place and it is not the place of hackers to involve themselves. There is a big difference between personal responsibility and being executed. And the person I talked about at first was single, so violated no personal responsibility. yeah, kinda like Josh Duggar did with his campaigning against gay marriage. You know Josh, the guy the thread is about.
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Post by Blonde Granny on Aug 22, 2015 17:53:08 GMT -5
This is all listed on the Benton County website, so it's not a secret or something I had to hack into in order to find it.In checking just a few of them, they are paying real estate taxes, I haven't looked at Washington County yet, and that's where they live. If you want the link to Benton County, here it is: www.arcountydata.com/search.asp 01671-484 DUGGAR, JOHN COM Benton County 5823 W STONEY BROOK RD ROGERS 17-19-30-ROGERS
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 17:54:30 GMT -5
Please don't assign beliefs to me I do not hold. I really hate that. I am against hackers getting involved in the marriages of thousands of families? What happens in a marriage is not my place and it is not the place of hackers to involve themselves. There is a big difference between personal responsibility and being executed. And the person I talked about at first was single, so violated no personal responsibility. yeah, kinda like Josh Duggar did with his campaigning against gay marriage. You know Josh, the guy the thread is about. Are you appealing to Josh Duggar for guidance on how to act? He was wrong. Two wrongs do not......
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Post by steff on Aug 22, 2015 17:55:41 GMT -5
yeah, kinda like Josh Duggar did with his campaigning against gay marriage. You know Josh, the guy the thread is about. Are you appealing to Josh Duggar for guidance on how to act? He was wrong. Two wrongs do not...... Good god are you seriously this...... never mind. I'm done. Have a wonderful night. And don't put anything on the internet & ever think it's "private". Tip of the day.
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Post by Blonde Granny on Aug 22, 2015 17:56:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 17:58:56 GMT -5
Are you appealing to Josh Duggar for guidance on how to act? He was wrong. Two wrongs do not...... Good god are you seriously this...... never mind. I'm done. Have a wonderful night. And don't put anything on the internet & ever think it's "private". Tip of the day. You are the one who used him to defend you position not me. You have a wonderful night also.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 22, 2015 18:02:17 GMT -5
Maybe they should have thought twice before signing up? Did anyone hold a gun to their head? Why are you so against personal responsibility? If something is going to get me executed, then I'll be damned if I do anything that would even increase my risk of it. Please don't assign beliefs to me I do not hold. I really hate that. I am against hackers getting involved in the marriages of thousands of families? What happens in a marriage is not my place and it is not the place of hackers to involve themselves. There is a big difference between personal responsibility and being executed. And the person I talked about at first was single, so violated no personal responsibility. Their actions (signing up for a service) have consequences if found out. They knew the consequences of signing up. Lemme put this another way. I got a speeding ticket last week. I was speeding. I knew that it was going to hit my wallet if I got caught and I got caught. So I'm not about to scream online "it's not faaaaaiiiiirrrrr". I screwed up and admit it. Granted, my actions didn't have the same sort of consequences, but you can be damned sure that if the ticket for speeding down I-5 was that I was going to be executed, I would be traveling 10 miles UNDER the speed limit. And finally, why would a person who is afraid he is going to be caught by the Saudi government and executed post all of this online in a very public forum that anyone could read?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 18:07:04 GMT -5
Please don't assign beliefs to me I do not hold. I really hate that. I am against hackers getting involved in the marriages of thousands of families? What happens in a marriage is not my place and it is not the place of hackers to involve themselves. There is a big difference between personal responsibility and being executed. And the person I talked about at first was single, so violated no personal responsibility. Their actions (signing up for a service) have consequences if found out. They knew the consequences of signing up. Lemme put this another way. I got a speeding ticket last week. I was speeding. I knew that it was going to hit my wallet if I got caught and I got caught. So I'm not about to scream online "it's not faaaaaiiiiirrrrr". I screwed up and admit it. Granted, my actions didn't have the same sort of consequences, but you can be damned sure that if the ticket for speeding down I-5 was that I was going to be executed, I would be traveling 10 miles UNDER the speed limit. And finally, why would a person who is afraid he is going to be caught by the Saudi government and executed post all of this online in a very public forum that anyone could read?Certainly there are consequences for doing certain things. Me posting about some guy who is facing unfair consequences is not denying that. It was a subject I read. Who knows if it is true. I do think it is true that many people will face consequences that are beyond fair for being part of Ashley Madison. I do not know that they all even did wrong. Some have open marriages so long as discrete, (I am speculating on that). And might now be forced to act. I think the hackers were assholes. That is my opinion for what it is worth. It is just a different perspective I thought interestiing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 18:11:29 GMT -5
We worship at the alter of personal responsibility. Both you and your husband seem like really nice people. Do you want some group of hackers to invade yours or your husband's personal information to expose something wrong? Expose it to the nation, something private and personal? Who knows if the spouses of some are okay with infidelity as long as it was discrete and now have to act or lose faith with family. If it happened, I'd be blaming the idiot who posted personal info on the Internet. Not projecting the issues that originated in my relationships onto the person who exposed the issues in my relationship.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 22, 2015 18:14:14 GMT -5
Unless that decision is to keep a child your spouse would rather abort. Then you get to stick another person with half the responsibility. Did she also drug him, cattle prod him, and use a turkey baster? Please, keep this discussion in the thread to which it's related. As I said before, it doesn't belong in this thread.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 22, 2015 18:16:52 GMT -5
I think the owners of the two sites are arseholes. It was their choice to create these sites with very inefficient (if not non-existent) security to protect the accounts of their users, along with lying to said users about what would be done with the personal information if an account was deleted (not to mention charging money for said non-deletion of personal information).
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 22, 2015 18:22:21 GMT -5
I think I am going to throw up a bit in my mouth because I sympathize and agree just a bit with Hickle's position (first and last time. Ever).
But for every action, there is a reaction-sometimes good and sometimes bad. No one who joined Ashley Madison ever thought the site would get hacked. They were wrong. And now many of them are going to pay a very heavy price for their indescretions.
It is my understanding one of the reasons the site was hacked and everything exposed was because AM required a monetary fee to have a customer's account canceled and deleted. It was basicslly extorting money from its customers to keep quiet. Even if a customer paid, some data of the deleted customer's account was still retained.
So the hackers decided to punish AM by exposing their business. Along with that came all the data of its past and present customers. A very large amount of collateral damage. Had AM dropped the cancellation fee and truely deleted all the customer's data, this would never have occured.
As I said earlier, for every action there is a reaction, good or bad. This one is bad for everyone all around.
No pity though for Josh Duggar the hypocrite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 18:26:36 GMT -5
It has been good for discussion around here with the kids. As in, if you don't want something out there... NEVER put it out there... ANYWHERE.
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