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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 18:29:54 GMT -5
It has been good for discussion around here with the kids. As in, if you don't want something out there... NEVER put it out there... ANYWHERE. Would you want people to have sympathy for your children if they did put something out there and they were hurt beyond what was fair? That seems reasonable to me. That was my point for what it was worth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 18:35:03 GMT -5
Minors are given some slack for immature actions. But generally speaking, what is 'unfair' about having your cheating exposed?
If you are suggesting gay people should not be killed for being gay, I'd agree with you. But the fact that those are laws in other countries is not within my purview.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 18:38:09 GMT -5
Minors are given some slack for immature actions. But generally speaking, what is 'unfair' about having your cheating exposed? If you are suggesting gay people should not be killed for being gay, I'd agree with you. But the fact that those are laws in other countries is not within my purview. It is no one's business.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 22, 2015 18:38:13 GMT -5
No one who joined Ashley Madison ever thought the site would get hacked.
Isn't this just a little naive? Just a small list of those who got hacked in 2014-2015, and this list is in no way complete:
Blue Cross Blue Shield Anthem Chick fil a Sony USPS MCS Staples Kmart Dairy Queen Supervalu Viator.com Jimmy Johns' Home Depot Community Health Systems Tennova PF Changs JP Morgan Target CVS IRS
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 18:39:55 GMT -5
Minors are given some slack for immature actions. But generally speaking, what is 'unfair' about having your cheating exposed? If you are suggesting gay people should not be killed for being gay, I'd agree with you. But the fact that those are laws in other countries is not within my purview. It is no one's business. It's not my business if my husband is having an affair?
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 22, 2015 18:41:49 GMT -5
No one who joined Ashley Madison ever thought the site would get hacked.Isn't this just a little naive? Just a small list of those who got hacked in 2014-2015, and this list is in no way complete: Blue Cross Blue Shield Anthem Chick fil a Sony USPS MCS Staples Kmart Dairy Queen Supervalu Viator.com Jimmy Johns' Home Depot Community Health Systems Tennova PF Changs JP Morgan Target CVS IRS Of couse it is. It is naive to think one will never get caught cheating on their spouse too. None of these folks are the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 18:43:28 GMT -5
It's not my business if my husband is having an affair? It is no one's business outside of the marriage. It certainly is not the business of anyone who wants to check a database on cheating husbands. It reminds me of the Scarlet Letter. My opinion for what its worth.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 22, 2015 18:45:20 GMT -5
You forgot the OPM hack which included sensitive info on pretty much every active military member and defense contractor in the country. When the military can't even keep their security clearance investigations secure, what chance does some random hookup site have? I also forgot the US government.....
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 22, 2015 18:46:57 GMT -5
It's not my business if my husband is having an affair? It is no one's business outside of the marriage. It certainly is not the business of anyone who wants to check a database on cheating husbands. It reminds me of the Scarlet Letter. My opinion for what its worth. Unless that person is an a soapbox espousing family values and getting paid for it. Which is the point of this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 18:49:04 GMT -5
It is no one's business outside of the marriage. It certainly is not the business of anyone who wants to check a database on cheating husbands. It reminds me of the Scarlet Letter. My opinion for what its worth. Unless that person is an a soapbox espousing family values and getting paid for it. Which is the point of this thread. That is true. Josh Duggar was not the only one exposed though. I have enjoyed the conversation. Thank you to those who responded
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 22, 2015 18:53:50 GMT -5
I think I am going to throw up a bit in my mouth because I sympathize and agree just a bit with Hickle's position (first and last time. Ever). But for every action, there is a reaction-sometimes good and sometimes bad. No one who joined Ashley Madison ever thought the site would get hacked. They were wrong. And now many of them are going to pay a very heavy price for their indescretions. It is my understanding one of the reasons the site was hacked and everything exposed was because AM required a monetary fee to have a customer's account canceled and deleted. It was basicslly extorting money from its customers to keep quiet. Even if a customer paid, some data of the deleted customer's account was still retained. So the hackers decided to punish AM by exposing their business. Along with that came all the data of its past and present customers. A very large amount of collateral damage. Had AM dropped the cancellation fee and truely deleted all the customer's data, this would never have occured. As I said earlier, for every action there is a reaction, good or bad. This one is bad for everyone all around. No pity though for Josh Duggar the hypocrite. As I understand it, that was, indeed, the purpose of the hack. The owner of Ashley Madison was warned in advance to take the sites down. They decided to shrug off the warning and failed to comply. The hackers then did what they'd said they'd do. Also, I understand none of the personal information was deleted. The fee was accepted and the account was just no longer visible. The data was still there and insufficiently protected. ETA: Impact Team has stated this particular hack was a "walk in the park". Security was all but missing on both sites.
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Post by quince on Aug 22, 2015 19:03:13 GMT -5
I agree that people should be aware that information that is confidential can still be exposed.
That still makes it wrong to steal and expose private information. I wouldn't love my medical records being posted publicly, despite the fact that medical records are stored electronically. It is still wrong for the info to be publicized, and I am justified in being angry if it is.
Same with these cheating losers. They still get to expect confidentiality, when the expectation is not met, they get to be angry. The fact that they "should have known better" does not make bad things done to them acceptable, excusable, laudable, anything. Should I not get medical treatment, because anything online (most insurance companies and large providers have internet portals...) can be come public? Anyone's mental health treatment is publicized, and shrug, and "idiots should have known better?"
The people who did this suck rotten donkey wang.
And still, I'm not sorry for the Duggar fellow. Yes, it is wrong that it happened, even to him. I don't have to have sympathy for him, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 19:06:51 GMT -5
I agree that people should be aware that information that is confidential can still be exposed. That still makes it wrong to steal and expose private information. I wouldn't love my medical records being posted publicly, despite the fact that medical records are stored electronically. It is still wrong for the info to be publicized, and I am justified in being angry if it is. Same with these cheating losers. They still get to expect confidentiality, when the expectation is not met, they get to be angry. The fact that they "should have known better" does not make bad things done to them acceptable, excusable, laudable, anything. Should I not get medical treatment, because anything online (most insurance companies and large providers have internet portals...) can be come public? Anyone's mental health treatment is publicized, and shrug, and "idiots should have known better?" The people who did this suck rotten donkey wang. And still, I'm not sorry for the Duggar fellow. Yes, it is wrong that it happened, even to him. I don't have to have sympathy for him, though. I wish my views were expressed so well. I think that 100%.
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Post by sesfw on Aug 22, 2015 19:21:38 GMT -5
I take it 'Ashley Madison' is just the name of the site? No actual person?
What is happening, if anything, to the owner of the site?
Throughout history 'sex' has brought down both the mighty and small ..... and everyone in between.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 22, 2015 20:28:02 GMT -5
Yes, sesfw. Ashley Madison is just the name of the site. The site is owned by Avid Life Media out of Toronto, Canada. They own a number of similar sites, apparently - at least, they do for now. Noel Biderman is the CEO of Avid Life Media. There are some very nasty-looking lawsuits already arising against Avid Life Media and they're asking big money. This isn't even close to over, I'm afraid.
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Post by milee on Aug 22, 2015 21:04:22 GMT -5
LOL! This is a riot! for every discussion, we are "doing it wrong" because we aren't considering how the issue may have affected the penguins at the south pole. Coincidence? Or calculated misdirection? Generally, it's only been pointed out that we're doing it wrong because we aren't considering how the issue may have affected the MALE penguins at the south pole. Those hussy girl penguins need to understand that if they want to dress like that, they're going to attract attention and have to deal with the fallout.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 22, 2015 21:10:17 GMT -5
LOL! This is a riot! for every discussion, we are "doing it wrong" because we aren't considering how the issue may have affected the penguins at the south pole. Coincidence? Or calculated misdirection? Generally, it's only been pointed out that we're doing it wrong because we aren't considering how the issue may have affected the MALE penguins at the south pole. Those hussy girl penguins need to understand that if they want to dress like that, they're going to attract attention and have to deal with the fallout.I think you may have that backwards. I've heard several females say they love a male in a tuxedo. Never heard it go the other way....
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 22, 2015 21:10:59 GMT -5
I definitely need to figure out how to block on Tapatalk or you'll never see me back here.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 22, 2015 21:17:21 GMT -5
LOL! This is a riot! for every discussion, we are "doing it wrong" because we aren't considering how the issue may have affected the penguins at the south pole. Coincidence? Or calculated misdirection? Generally, it's only been pointed out that we're doing it wrong because we aren't considering how the issue may have affected the MALE penguins at the south pole. Those hussy girl penguins need to understand that if they want to dress like that, they're going to attract attention and have to deal with the fallout. No, I just think it's obvious that some posters have had a frontal lobotomy... or are Homer Simpson.
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Post by milee on Aug 22, 2015 21:20:08 GMT -5
Generally, it's only been pointed out that we're doing it wrong because we aren't considering how the issue may have affected the MALE penguins at the south pole. Those hussy girl penguins need to understand that if they want to dress like that, they're going to attract attention and have to deal with the fallout. No, I just think it's obvious that some posters have had a frontal lobotomy... or are Homer Simpson. I don't think so. If I had to guess, I'd guess drinking or bored.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 22, 2015 21:36:06 GMT -5
No, I just think it's obvious that some posters have had a frontal lobotomy... or are Homer Simpson. I don't think so. If I had to guess, I'd guess drinking or bored. You're right - most likely boredom. That makes me even more annoyed.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 23, 2015 8:53:03 GMT -5
Geeees, How do you like that, If 37 million people had moral and ethical values, this would not be up on this Thread.
Yeaaa, it's the hackers fault the 37 million have no morals or ethics!
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Aug 23, 2015 9:03:54 GMT -5
Geeees, How do you like that, If 37 million people had moral and ethical values, this would not be up on this Thread. Yeaaa, it's the hackers fault the 37 million have no morals or ethics! yeah. They were asking for it acting all sexy and what not.
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Post by milee on Aug 23, 2015 10:23:46 GMT -5
I wonder how and what "testing" will be done to the data to see if it's real users. There would be little to no recourse for someone whose name had been falsely posted on this searchable database, since the hackers are anonymous. And since it's a site for people who most others will perceive as acting dishonestly, who is going to believe someone who claims that they didn't really use the site and that someone must have either made a mistake or a malicious smear?
I've seen some honest mistakes and some attempts to underhandedly smear someone by others posing as that person.
1) The chairman of the regional Republican party went used a prepaid debit card to make campaign donations to three Democratic candidates in the name of another Republican who the chairman viewed as a potential rival. Prosecutors say the donations were meant to undermine the rival candidate in an upcoming Republican primary. The false donations were intended to make the rival look like she was supporting Democrats when she was not. Ironically, the misdeed was uncovered by the good manners of an unknowing recipient of his false donations. One of the Democrats who received a donation sent an unsuspecting rival a thank-you note for a donation she never gave. If not for the note alerting her, the rival would never have known until she was falsely attacked at election time for "contributing" to Democrats. The (now ex) chairman was convicted of a felony and a misdemeanor.
2) There are times when I'm required to give a phone number for something (it's used as an identifier or required, but it's not needed for the service) and I do not want to end up on that company's calling list or have my number sold to other telemarketers. So I give a phony number that's 2 off my number and very easy to remember. Just this week, I found out there's a person with that number (there wasn't when I started doing that). Ooops. That poor person. She has no idea who gave out her number so many times. I've stopped, but it's already out there.
3) I was on the board of a local nonprofit and there was a huge dispute. The group on the other side of the dispute was incredibly nasty and dishonest - did things to try to scare away the board members they didn't agree with, going so far as to vandalize cars and completely fabricate damaging stories about us. Early on, they tried to discredit me and scare me off by spreading the rumor that I was sleeping with one of the other board members; that failed miserably as soon as others started laughing it off since they knew that although we were careful and civil in public, that other board member and I couldn't stand each other and were obviously adversaries in closed meetings. When that failed, someone anonymously signed me up for several porn websites. Using my real information - including name, address, phone number, email address and picture - the anonymous person signed me up on the sites as a porn star looking for work or to do parties. I figured that out after receiving some "unusual" emails and was able to get the sites to remove my information. But I'm guessing if any of those sites are ever hacked, my real information will appear on the list of "performers" who advertised there.
So I hope there is some way to examine the AM data to know if the person themselves sign up.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 23, 2015 11:11:06 GMT -5
A very vivid, but very funny sentence. I need to find a way to use those three words.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 23, 2015 11:21:00 GMT -5
I wonder how and what "testing" will be done to the data to see if it's real users. There would be little to no recourse for someone whose name had been falsely posted on this searchable database, since the hackers are anonymous. And since it's a site for people who most others will perceive as acting dishonestly, who is going to believe someone who claims that they didn't really use the site and that someone must have either made a mistake or a malicious smear?
I've seen some honest mistakes and some attempts to underhandedly smear someone by others posing as that person.
1) The chairman of the regional Republican party went used a prepaid debit card to make campaign donations to three Democratic candidates in the name of another Republican who the chairman viewed as a potential rival. Prosecutors say the donations were meant to undermine the rival candidate in an upcoming Republican primary. The false donations were intended to make the rival look like she was supporting Democrats when she was not. Ironically, the misdeed was uncovered by the good manners of an unknowing recipient of his false donations. One of the Democrats who received a donation sent an unsuspecting rival a thank-you note for a donation she never gave. If not for the note alerting her, the rival would never have known until she was falsely attacked at election time for "contributing" to Democrats. The (now ex) chairman was convicted of a felony and a misdemeanor.
2) There are times when I'm required to give a phone number for something (it's used as an identifier or required, but it's not needed for the service) and I do not want to end up on that company's calling list or have my number sold to other telemarketers. So I give a phony number that's 2 off my number and very easy to remember. Just this week, I found out there's a person with that number (there wasn't when I started doing that). Ooops. That poor person. She has no idea who gave out her number so many times. I've stopped, but it's already out there.
3) I was on the board of a local nonprofit and there was a huge dispute. The group on the other side of the dispute was incredibly nasty and dishonest - did things to try to scare away the board members they didn't agree with, going so far as to vandalize cars and completely fabricate damaging stories about us. Early on, they tried to discredit me and scare me off by spreading the rumor that I was sleeping with one of the other board members; that failed miserably as soon as others started laughing it off since they knew that although we were careful and civil in public, that other board member and I couldn't stand each other and were obviously adversaries in closed meetings. When that failed, someone anonymously signed me up for several porn websites. Using my real information - including name, address, phone number, email address and picture - the anonymous person signed me up on the sites as a porn star looking for work or to do parties. I figured that out after receiving some "unusual" emails and was able to get the sites to remove my information. But I'm guessing if any of those sites are ever hacked, my real information will appear on the list of "performers" who advertised there.
So I hope there is some way to examine the AM data to know if the person themselves sign up.
There are a number of organizations and news outlets who are tracing the emails, credit cards and home addresses down to be sure they conform to the names listed. They've found a lot of phonies and a lot of matches and are releasing their information. Impact Team also provided information on which accounts were phony when they dumped the data. They listed the codes for those that were faked. If the email address can be linked to the credit card used, that's a pretty good indication it is the person named. While someone may have your email address it's unlikely they'd have your credit card number, as well.
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Post by Plain Old Petunia on Aug 24, 2015 15:27:28 GMT -5
Good for Daniel Keller! Has he rejected the teachings of Gothard? He certainly does not sound very Gothard-like.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 24, 2015 15:27:42 GMT -5
I'd like to think so. But the reality is that even with her brother's help, it would still be a tough road for her. But staying with a cheater isn't a healthy choice either, especially when others around him thinks it's just fine because God has forgiven and cleansed him. On her own, hard as it would be, she'd have some chance at a healthy life. With Josh, she'll never know around what corner the next revelation lurks or where the next scandal is coming from. And then there's the possibility of him actually having sex with his AM hookup and who knows what? STDs? A love child? Porn addiction on another site besides AM?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 24, 2015 15:30:01 GMT -5
The Duggar family will be one of the families featured in an upcoming TLC special about childhood sexual abuse called Breaking the Silence, which airs on Aug. 30 at 10 p.m. Eastern time.
I think they would have been quite happy if everyone had just remained silent. If they were interested WHY didn't they do something about Josh a long frekaing time ago?
They're only doing it now b/c they want to distance themselves from him and hopefully keep the money train rolling by convincing people they are still good righteous people.
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