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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 21, 2015 14:31:00 GMT -5
One of the family PR people got hold of him and either said, "You know, maybe now isn't the time to blame others, even if that definition of 'others' includes an underwordly beast of biblical origins who spits fire and whose existence isn't necessarily espoused by many." or "Yanno, Josh...part of being a grownup means being able to say 'I did it, I know I did it, I admit I did it, and I cannot lay the responsibility anywhere else but my own doorstep.' Yanking Satan's chain and playing pin the tail on the Internet porn donkey doesn't really work, given the poop field you're standing in after the last family fiasco."
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Post by Sam_2.0 on Aug 21, 2015 14:47:13 GMT -5
OR - HIS lawyer is worried that his wife will file for divorce, and Josh's statements would be used against him (they still would...but it's the idea that NOW isn't the best time to be running his mouth).
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Post by kittensaver on Aug 21, 2015 14:49:12 GMT -5
One of the family PR people got hold of him and either said, "You know, maybe now isn't the time to blame others, even if that definition of 'others' includes an underwordly beast of biblical origins who spits fire and whose existence isn't necessarily espoused by many." or "Yanno, Josh...part of being a grownup means being able to say 'I did it, I know I did it, I admit I did it, and I cannot lay the responsibility anywhere else but my own doorstep.' Yanking Satan's chain and playing pin the tail on the Internet porn donkey doesn't really work, given the poop field you're standing in after the last family fiasco." POTD!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 21, 2015 15:02:03 GMT -5
given the poop field you're standing in after the last family fiasco.
This is what I just don't get. He managed to squeak out of that fiasco by the skin on his teeth. It wasn't pretty, but he managed it.
So why the hell would you place yourself into the same position again, particularly when you are part of a very vocal family that is against everything you're doing? And not only that, WHY would you be so arrogant to do it when you are in a political position that you are espousing family values?
He's not very bright.
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Post by quince on Aug 21, 2015 15:04:07 GMT -5
His membership was before the other thing came to light, though, isn't it? The hack/release of info just came after.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 21, 2015 15:14:39 GMT -5
His membership was before the other thing came to light, though, isn't it? The hack/release of info just came after. True. The timeline makes little difference to someone with his thought processes, though. When it comes to this kind of behavior, Duggar, like Jared Fogle, isn't considering consequences, or getting caught, or the very real humans involved. It's like he's the sun, and all this other stuff revolves around him. And to keep being him, these things need to keep revolving around him, in their same humdrum, continuous orbit. When one of these things leaves his orbit or fails to give him his due, it brings his world crashing down. That's what needs to happen, I think. He needs to hit a real and genuine rock bottom. But as long as family and friends forgive him and believe in him and stick with him, I don't see him really changing. He'll drop out of sight for a time, but in the end, because there's no truly life-altering consequence for him, he won't alter his life. No, but he's not stupid, either. At least, not that I perceive. His intelligence level seems pretty normal. Something along the way twisted his behavior and the way he processes how other people feel about it. I admit that as a CJ major, this was the part that always fascinated me the most - not the deviant act itself, but the "how and why" behind it.
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Post by midjd on Aug 21, 2015 15:16:19 GMT -5
When you think God is on your side, you can get away with a lot. I'm sure in the Quiverfull sin ranking system, heterosexual cheating is still much better than homosexuality, divorce, or all the other things he was campaigning against.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Aug 21, 2015 15:16:40 GMT -5
To me, this family seems like cult.
Yeah, I get it, they are all white and not bad looking and they don't live off of your tax dollars or mine.
Still, there is something fundamentally wrong with the mom and dad.
Ok, I'm going to be rude here...but can you imagine her vir...? What a mess.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 21, 2015 15:17:54 GMT -5
OR - HIS lawyer is worried that his wife will file for divorce, and Josh's statements would be used against him (they still would...but it's the idea that NOW isn't the best time to be running his mouth). Speaking of this...I saw something about a situation called covenant marriage. This is what Josh and Anna entered into (as did Josh's sisters). If I understand this correctly, divorce is possible under certain circumstances; adultery is one of those circumstances. But the couple have to undergo counseling first, and must live apart for over two years before the divorce is granted. From Wikipedia: Covenant marriage is a legally distinct kind of marriage in three states (Arizona, Arkansas, and Louisiana) of the United States, in which the marrying spouses agree to obtain pre-marital counseling and accept more limited grounds for later seeking divorce. Both proponents and critics of covenant marriage have described it as government inviting religion into the public square. Louisiana became the first state to pass a covenant marriage law in 1997;[1][2] shortly afterwards, Arkansas[3] and Arizona[4] followed suit. Since its inception, very few couples in those states have married under covenant marriage law.
Prior to entering into a covenant marriage, a couple must attend premarital counseling sessions "emphasizing the nature, purposes, and responsibilities of marriage"[5] and must sign a statement declaring "that a covenant marriage is for life."[6][7][8] In contrast to no-fault divorce's more lenient requirements for non-covenant marriages, a spouse in a covenant marriage desiring a divorce may first be required to attend marital counseling.[9][8] A spouse desiring a divorce must also prove that one of the following is true:[10][11][8]
The other spouse has committed adultery. The other spouse has committed a felony. The other spouse engages in substance abuse. The other spouse has physically or sexually abused the spouse or a child. The spouses have been living separately for a minimum amount of time specified by law (one or two years, depending on the law of the state).
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Post by chen35 on Aug 21, 2015 15:20:20 GMT -5
He cancelled his account in May of this year, which was when the other scandal broke. I almost wonder if he caught wind that the molestation charges were going to come out, and people would start digging, so he hurried and cancelled his Ashley Madison account thinking that would help him not get caught?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 21, 2015 15:22:03 GMT -5
OR - HIS lawyer is worried that his wife will file for divorce, and Josh's statements would be used against him (they still would...but it's the idea that NOW isn't the best time to be running his mouth). Speaking of this...I saw something about a situation called covenant marriage. This is what Josh and Anna entered into (as did Josh's sisters). If I understand this correctly, divorce is possible under certain circumstances; adultery is one of those circumstances. But the couple have to undergo counseling first, and must live apart for over two years before the divorce is granted. From Wikipedia: Covenant marriage is a legally distinct kind of marriage in three states (Arizona, Arkansas, and Louisiana) of the United States, in which the marrying spouses agree to obtain pre-marital counseling and accept more limited grounds for later seeking divorce. Both proponents and critics of covenant marriage have described it as government inviting religion into the public square. Louisiana became the first state to pass a covenant marriage law in 1997;[1][2] shortly afterwards, Arkansas[3] and Arizona[4] followed suit. Since its inception, very few couples in those states have married under covenant marriage law.
Prior to entering into a covenant marriage, a couple must attend premarital counseling sessions "emphasizing the nature, purposes, and responsibilities of marriage"[5] and must sign a statement declaring "that a covenant marriage is for life."[6][7][8] In contrast to no-fault divorce's more lenient requirements for non-covenant marriages, a spouse in a covenant marriage desiring a divorce may first be required to attend marital counseling.[9][8] A spouse desiring a divorce must also prove that one of the following is true:[10][11][8]
The other spouse has committed adultery. The other spouse has committed a felony. The other spouse engages in substance abuse. The other spouse has physically or sexually abused the spouse or a child. The spouses have been living separately for a minimum amount of time specified by law (one or two years, depending on the law of the state).Wait. They're using a NON-STANDARD marriage that seems to be specifically tailored for groups like them and they have the audacity to be against gay marriage?! Either I'm missing something or they are.
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Post by kittensaver on Aug 21, 2015 15:23:28 GMT -5
Speaking of this...I saw something about a situation called covenant marriage. This is what Josh and Anna entered into (as did Josh's sisters). If I understand this correctly, divorce is possible under certain circumstances; adultery is one of those circumstances. But the couple have to undergo counseling first, and must live apart for over two years before the divorce is granted. From Wikipedia: Covenant marriage is a legally distinct kind of marriage in three states (Arizona, Arkansas, and Louisiana) of the United States, in which the marrying spouses agree to obtain pre-marital counseling and accept more limited grounds for later seeking divorce. Both proponents and critics of covenant marriage have described it as government inviting religion into the public square. Louisiana became the first state to pass a covenant marriage law in 1997;[1][2] shortly afterwards, Arkansas[3] and Arizona[4] followed suit. Since its inception, very few couples in those states have married under covenant marriage law.
Prior to entering into a covenant marriage, a couple must attend premarital counseling sessions "emphasizing the nature, purposes, and responsibilities of marriage"[5] and must sign a statement declaring "that a covenant marriage is for life."[6][7][8] In contrast to no-fault divorce's more lenient requirements for non-covenant marriages, a spouse in a covenant marriage desiring a divorce may first be required to attend marital counseling.[9][8] A spouse desiring a divorce must also prove that one of the following is true:[10][11][8]
The other spouse has committed adultery. The other spouse has committed a felony. The other spouse engages in substance abuse. The other spouse has physically or sexually abused the spouse or a child. The spouses have been living separately for a minimum amount of time specified by law (one or two years, depending on the law of the state).Wait. They're using a NON-STANDARD marriage that seems to be specifically tailored for groups like them and they have the audacity to be against gay marriage?! Either I'm missing something or they are. Awww come on, Beth . . . of course they are against gay marriage. Don't you know that (of course) THEIR marriage is better than YOURS?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 21, 2015 15:34:47 GMT -5
Wait. They're using a NON-STANDARD marriage that seems to be specifically tailored for groups like them and they have the audacity to be against gay marriage?! Either I'm missing something or they are. Awww come on, Beth . . . of course they are against gay marriage. Don't you know that (of course) THEIR marriage is better than YOURS? LOL. There's probably a lot of marriages out there that are better than ours. Doesn't mean I want to be in those marriages though.... I will definitely take MY sex life over Anna's though. I admit I'm hung up on it but I can't help but keep thinking that her sex ed talk was "lay back and be still" and "good QF girls don't move at all. Sex is for creating a new life and it's impossible to enjoy"
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 21, 2015 15:52:06 GMT -5
The concept of covenant marriage, which is legal in three states, was designed not so much to make the divorce process more difficult, but to make people think a little harder and dig a little deeper into themselves before marriage. And perhaps to not be so willing to break a marital bond over relatively minor disagreements.
Is it a better way? It's a relatively new concept, and obviously forty-seven states haven't warmed up to the idea. On the one hand, I personally like the idea of having to think things through before the "I do's." If you know you have to work for a divorce, you may think longer and harder about whether or not this is your true soul mate to begin with.
On the other hand, the two year waiting period is hard on someone who's been victimized by a spouse, whether it be physical, verbal, emotional or financial. That victimized spouse has to wait and live with what has happened, not able to move on.
In this case, should Anna Duggar choose to, she could possibly use these provisions to leave.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 21, 2015 16:30:30 GMT -5
On the other hand, the two year waiting period is hard on someone who's been victimized by a spouse, whether it be physical, verbal, emotional or financial. That victimized spouse has to wait and live with what has happened, not able to move on. In this case, should Anna Duggar choose to, she could possibly use these provisions to leave. I didn't read it as a 2 year waiting period for divorce, but rather living apart for 2 years is one of the grounds to file for divorce. Which kind of makes sense, there comes a point where clearly you aren't getting back together regardless for the original reason for living apart.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 21, 2015 16:56:16 GMT -5
hahahahaha...ok, that's funny! Yep when you make $1 Million telling other girls to keep their legs shut, you better be practicing what you preach. To be honest, for a million I would preach a lot of stuff that I wouldn't actually follow or believe in...especially as a single mom.
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Post by simser on Aug 21, 2015 20:48:34 GMT -5
Awww come on, Beth . . . of course they are against gay marriage. Don't you know that (of course) THEIR marriage is better than YOURS? LOL. There's probably a lot of marriages out there that are better than ours. Doesn't mean I want to be in those marriages though.... I will definitely take MY sex life over Anna's though. I admit I'm hung up on it but I can't help but keep thinking that her sex ed talk was "lay back and be still" and "good QF girls don't move at all. Sex is for creating a new life and it's impossible to enjoy" I have to say I'm hoping beyond hope that the reason the interests are so boring is because Anna wants the fun stuff at home and josh isn't able to deal with a woman who knows what she wants if it's not mainstream. I'm about 99.9% sure I'm wrong, but you gotta have hope!
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Post by Jaguar on Aug 21, 2015 20:51:00 GMT -5
My gosh what a freaking creep he is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 21:37:00 GMT -5
So...in light of this new info, as I look at this picture and read about the friendship between the Palins and the Duggars, I can't help but wonder if the adulterous pedophile isn't the father of the abstinence preaching Bristol's new miracle baby.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 21, 2015 23:59:30 GMT -5
To me, this family seems like cult. Yeah, I get it, they are all white and not bad looking and they don't live off of your tax dollars or mine.
Still, there is something fundamentally wrong with the mom and dad. Ok, I'm going to be rude here...but can you imagine her vir...? What a mess. Oh, but in a way, they do. They declared themselves a church, and pay no taxes.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 22, 2015 0:15:00 GMT -5
One of the family PR people got hold of him and either said, "You know, maybe now isn't the time to blame others, even if that definition of 'others' includes an underwordly beast of biblical origins who spits fire and whose existence isn't necessarily espoused by many." or "Yanno, Josh...part of being a grownup means being able to say 'I did it, I know I did it, I admit I did it, and I cannot lay the responsibility anywhere else but my own doorstep.' Yanking Satan's chain and playing pin the tail on the Internet porn donkey doesn't really work, given the poop field you're standing in after the last family fiasco." Lol! "Not my fault. The devil made me do it!"
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 22, 2015 5:54:13 GMT -5
To me, this family seems like cult. Yeah, I get it, they are all white and not bad looking and they don't live off of your tax dollars or mine.
Still, there is something fundamentally wrong with the mom and dad. Ok, I'm going to be rude here...but can you imagine her vir...? What a mess. Oh, but in a way, they do. They declared themselves a church, and pay no taxes. Do you have a link for that? It is my understanding that they pay no real estate taxes but that they still pay income taxes.
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Post by Plain Old Petunia on Aug 22, 2015 9:50:53 GMT -5
Look at this. I hope Matthew McCarthy follows through. I would be so angry if some sleezeball used MY pic for her profile. Stolen Picture
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 22, 2015 10:25:39 GMT -5
Look at this. I hope Matthew McCarthy follows through. I would be so angry if some sleezeball used MY pic for her profile. Stolen Picture
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 22, 2015 10:36:08 GMT -5
Look at this. I hope Matthew McCarthy follows through. I would be so angry if some sleezeball used MY pic for her profile. Stolen PictureOoh...that guy is pretty hot...did josh think the girls wouldn't realize he want the hot guy when he showed up?
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 22, 2015 10:40:04 GMT -5
The concept of covenant marriage, which is legal in three states, was designed not so much to make the divorce process more difficult, but to make people think a little harder and dig a little deeper into themselves before marriage. And perhaps to not be so willing to break a marital bond over relatively minor disagreements. Is it a better way? It's a relatively new concept, and obviously forty-seven states haven't warmed up to the idea. On the one hand, I personally like the idea of having to think things through before the "I do's." If you know you have to work for a divorce, you may think longer and harder about whether or not this is your true soul mate to begin with. On the other hand, the two year waiting period is hard on someone who's been victimized by a spouse, whether it be physical, verbal, emotional or financial. That victimized spouse has to wait and live with what has happened, not able to move on. In this case, should Anna Duggar choose to, she could possibly use these provisions to leave. No, it is not. If someone wants to think and dig deep - have at it! If someone else wants to marry in vegas, and a week later, leave that in vegas, who cares? We should tie up resources and legislate to make people think deeper?How about putting that money in the philosophy department of the state university? I never suggested it was. On the contrary, since 47 states have not adopted it, apparently, it isn't. And the main reason they haven't, BTW, it that it blurs the lines between religion and state, to some extent. Not to mention putting the state inside someone's bedroom.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 10:46:21 GMT -5
I read about a guy from Saudi Arabia who used Ashley Madison to find gay hookups. He is afraid of being executed now. He is single, but used AM because he wanted discreet. People who are celebrating Ashley Madison getting hacked and users exposed should think about this man, and what he possibly faces.
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Post by steff on Aug 22, 2015 14:11:42 GMT -5
I read about a guy from Saudi Arabia who used Ashley Madison to find gay hookups. He is afraid of being executed now. He is single, but used AM because he wanted discreet. People who are celebrating Ashley Madison getting hacked and users exposed should think about this man, and what he possibly faces. The only person to blame for him being in this situation is himself. Not everyone else.
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