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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2016 20:05:05 GMT -5
sell out in that stadium is 10k. there are larger stadiums he could have used if he anticipated a larger audience.
but this is a diversion. Trump routinely lies about his crowd sizes, and that is a well known fact. what is a lesser known fact is that his crowd sizes are utterly immaterial.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 20:08:47 GMT -5
sell out in that stadium is 10k. there are larger stadiums he could have used if he anticipated a larger audience. but this is a diversion. Trump routinely lies about his crowd sizes, and that is a well known fact. what is a lesser known fact is that his crowd sizes are utterly immaterial. Are you saying "size doesn't matter"? Trump will be glad to know that!!! LOL |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 31, 2016 21:31:12 GMT -5
sell out in that stadium is 10k. there are larger stadiums he could have used if he anticipated a larger audience. but this is a diversion. Trump routinely lies about his crowd sizes, and that is a well known fact. what is a lesser known fact is that his crowd sizes are utterly immaterial. Are you saying "size doesn't matter"? Trump will be glad to know that!!! LOL no, i am saying that there is no correlation between the throngs that come out for him and his electoral chances. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 31, 2016 22:37:41 GMT -5
Are you saying "size doesn't matter"? Trump will be glad to know that!!! LOL no, i am saying that there is no correlation between the throngs that come out for him and his electoral chances. Of course not. The only people who stand in line to see him are morons who already made up their minds as to who to vote for. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 23:42:39 GMT -5
no, i am saying that there is no correlation between the throngs that come out for him and his electoral chances. Of course not. The only people who stand in line to see him are morons who already made up their minds as to who to vote for. Not unlike the people that would go see Hillary... if they could find her. MOST people that go to see a candidate have already decided to vote for that candidate. Few if any go with the thought of "I don't know who I want to vote for... maybe if I hear them 'live', I'll understand them better... and will know I want to vote for them." |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2016 0:33:41 GMT -5
can we deport Trump?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 2:33:21 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 1, 2016 6:54:20 GMT -5
Are you saying "size doesn't matter"? Trump will be glad to know that!!! LOL no, i am saying that there is no correlation between the throngs that come out for him and his electoral chances. He's an entertainer who is prone to hyperbolic, nonsensical outbursts that he has to back up from the next day, so of course he's far more entertaining to watch than the boring, stem winder speeches 99% of the run of the mill politicians give, including Hillary.
I'd go watch him myself, except, like Rush Limbaugh, I can only deal with about five minutes of his bluster before I have to turn away. So instead I watch the highlights (or lowlights) the next day.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 1, 2016 7:04:09 GMT -5
So I see, after holding hands and promising wonderful things with the Mexican president earlier in the day, Trump goes to Arizona and does a big old flip flop back into the 'build a wall' territory.
So I guess the last two weeks he spent trying to court Hispanic voters is down the crapper.
Or maybe he thinks Hispanic voters are too stupid to realize Trump is talking out of two sides of his face.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 1, 2016 7:05:16 GMT -5
Of course not. The only people who stand in line to see him are morons who already made up their minds as to who to vote for. Not unlike the people that would go see Hillary... if they could find her. MOST people that go to see a candidate have already decided to vote for that candidate. Few if any go with the thought of "I don't know who I want to vote for... maybe if I hear them 'live', I'll understand them better... and will know I want to vote for them." I'm sure there is some percentage of them that show up just to see if he sets his hair on fire again. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2016 11:33:57 GMT -5
So I see, after holding hands and promising wonderful things with the Mexican president earlier in the day, Trump goes to Arizona and does a big old flip flop back into the 'build a wall' territory.
So I guess the last two weeks he spent trying to court Hispanic voters is down the crapper.
Or maybe he thinks Hispanic voters are too stupid to realize Trump is talking out of two sides of his face.
not only build the wall, but build it for free- the idea of which was categorically denied as possible by none other than the president of Mexico. oh, and then he lied about it. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2016 11:34:47 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 1, 2016 11:37:18 GMT -5
Not unlike the people that would go see Hillary... if they could find her. MOST people that go to see a candidate have already decided to vote for that candidate. Few if any go with the thought of "I don't know who I want to vote for... maybe if I hear them 'live', I'll understand them better... and will know I want to vote for them." I'm sure there is some percentage of them that show up just to see if he sets his hair on fire again. I think the crowds that turn up for either side are a mixed bag. Some are there to support the candidate (probably the majority). Then there are those who are there out of curiosity and those who are there to disparage. The more controversial the candidate the more of the latter two groups will be found in the mix. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 1, 2016 11:37:53 GMT -5
So I see, after holding hands and promising wonderful things with the Mexican president earlier in the day, Trump goes to Arizona and does a big old flip flop back into the 'build a wall' territory.
So I guess the last two weeks he spent trying to court Hispanic voters is down the crapper.
Or maybe he thinks Hispanic voters are too stupid to realize Trump is talking out of two sides of his face.
not only build the wall, but build it for free- the idea of which was categorically denied as possible by none other than the president of Mexico. oh, and then he lied about it. What's one more lie in a life full of lies. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 1, 2016 11:41:17 GMT -5
I'm sure there is some percentage of them that show up just to see if he sets his hair on fire again. I think the crowds that turn up for either side are a mixed bag. Some are there to support the candidate (probably the majority). Then there are those who are there out of curiosity and those who are there to disparage. The more controversial the candidate the more of the latter two groups will be found in the mix. Just reruns on TV during the summer doldrums. So why not go to watch a live reality TV show. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 1, 2016 12:07:10 GMT -5
For all of you who don't know for certain Hillary is fucked, here you go. If you still don't know after you watch these, you're just delusional:
Hillary has no answer for the Trump immigration policy that enjoys broad-based support. This is an 80/20 issue, and if you're not with Trump-- you're in the 20%.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 1, 2016 12:11:06 GMT -5
More can be learned about the success Trump is enjoying by watching the collective democratic media freakout.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 1, 2016 12:14:20 GMT -5
On point 1) What is the "cool" answer this election cycle? What's the late night comedy TV answer to who you're voting for? What's your "out" this year? The question almost answers itself, but since someone here won't get it-- I'll help you out-- using hashtags: #NeverHillary #NeverTrump. 2) There are fewer undecideds than people think-- there always are. Here's where Trump has an advantage: he locked in hard core support early, and Trump voters are the most "certain they'll vote" crowd out there. He's got a rock-ribbed base of "likely voters" who have blinders on-- they're going to vote for him and it doesn't matter what he says or does because he conveys a credible "outsider" status. No. There are more undecided this election than in the last four elections, mostly because both candidates have such high negative likeability numbers. The undecided will probably break evenly between the two candidates, in the end. They will not all go to Trump. election.princeton.edu/2016/07/07/is-85-an-underestimate/
Trump is winning, and he is winning big. People downplay his record shattering primary vote total (in a 17 person race), they downplay the fact he holds one rally after another to large, packed venues. Trump appears on hard news shows-- Hillary is approaching 270 days without a press conference. Trump is speaking before voters in arenas, Hillary is going to fundraisers. Someone ask Jeb how that plan worked out? By 'arenas' do you mean hotel conference rooms that hold 1000 people, 'packed' with 1200 for Trump's speech? Be careful of only reading the far right descriptions of Trumps' events, they are prone to hyperbole. (Much like Trump is).
I was at Sunrise (Ft. Lauderdale), Jacksonville, and Kissimmee. They were not hotel conference rooms. Trump had to move AZ to a larger venue. The 1,000 person room you are referring to was a one-off event having to do with the fine print in the agreement and there was 8,000 overflow.
Trump's real strength is not with "likely voters". It's with people that haven't voted in years. Anecdotal point- our elderly neighbors have not cast a vote since Perot in 1992, and they are enthusiastic TRUMP supporters. They are not alone. I know people that didn't vote for Romney, and didn't vote for McCain-- we're all voting Trump. Trump's Achilles heel is women voters. Historically, dems got 8% more female voters than their GOP rivals in the last POTUS elections - but this year, the gap is more like 16% voting dem rather than GOP. Your mystery/monster/hidden voters can't make up for this shortfall, considering half the US population is female - and considering Trump, while lately making noises about trying to bring non-white voters into the fold, still hasn't figured out what he needs to do to make himself more attractive to bring women into the fold. I'll see your anecdotal point and raise you one - my sister, a life long conservative GOP voter and her GOP voting daughter, both told me they are not voting for Trump. They may not vote for Hillary, but they are not voting for Trump. I think that voting segment right there - the disgruntled female GOP voters - may be Trump's monster voters, but not in the way you think. You don't have to believe me. There's every reason not to. However, there's one big reason to believe me: this has been anything but an ordinary year, and the the Trump card is The Donald. For every Ceasar Milktoast establishment David French wringing his hands and expressing their concern in a nasally tone on Sunday talk shows nobody under 80 watches anymore, there are 100,000 fired up Trumpists champing at the bit to take their country back. Mark. My. Words. Trump is going to be elected, and it's not going to be close.Wow. Deja vu all over again.  |
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 1, 2016 12:15:17 GMT -5
 Which Trump policy are you referring to? I've heard many from his own mouth. Then his people have to explain what he really meant. 
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 1, 2016 12:17:30 GMT -5
Which Trump immigration policy? He has so many contradictory policies!
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2016 12:18:16 GMT -5
if this is any indication, i would say he is done for:
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2016 12:19:12 GMT -5
For all of you who don't know for certain Hillary is fucked, here you go. If you still don't know after you watch these, you're just delusional: Hillary has no answer for the Trump immigration policy that enjoys broad-based support. This is an 80/20 issue, and if you're not with Trump-- you're in the 20%. what's his policy? |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 1, 2016 12:19:18 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2016 12:20:36 GMT -5
More can be learned about the success Trump is enjoying by watching the collective democratic media freakout. freakout? they are positively giddy, Paul. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 1, 2016 12:22:12 GMT -5
He's going to build a wall, then he's not going to build a wall, then he's building it again.
He's going to deport all the illegals then he's not going to deport the illegals.
He's going to ban all Muslims from entering the US, then he's not going to ban all Muslims.
So...which immigration policies?
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Post by dondub on Sept 1, 2016 12:24:20 GMT -5
Does Trump even know that vast areas of the border will not accommodate a wall?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2016 12:25:15 GMT -5
He's going to build a wall, then he's not going to build a wall, then he's building it again. He's going to deport all the illegals then he's not going to deport the illegals. He's going to ban all Muslims from entering the US, then he's not going to ban all Muslims. So...which immigration policies? he also has waffled on the deportation force question. again....and again. he is clearly in over his head. he has no coherent ideas- nothing practical. just nationalistic fantasies. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 1, 2016 12:26:03 GMT -5
Does Trump even know that vast areas of the border will not accommodate a wall? does he know that a great number of "illegals" arrive here via air? |
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Sept 1, 2016 12:29:36 GMT -5
Does Trump even know that vast areas of the border will not accommodate a wall? does he know that a great number of "illegals" arrive here via air? The wall will be high and huuuge.  |
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