I was right: President Elect Trump

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Trump is just an entertainer and the media love him. CBS nightly news had a short story on a woman from the audience come up and verify his hair is real. That isn't news. Shame on CBS. I still say people are sending a message to the GOP but won't vote for this narcissist.  

[Tennesseer]

Aug 27, 2015 21:04:13 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 22, 2015 13:49:30 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

And because the setup at Ladd-Peebles Stadium for Trump's visit was concert style, and there is a crowd on the field like a concert, Trump clearly did not fill the stadium because Ladd-Peebles Stadium can hold 150,000 for concerts, folks on the field included.

Ladd-Peebles Stadium

Anyone catch Hillary's big big crowds?
She cannot fill a five thousand capacity gymnasium.
The media does not even bother to show the size of the crowd.
Even with her "hard hitting attacks" of Republicans and the war on women and backing Planned Parenthood clinics, she cannot fill a small gym these days.

Trump is doing just fine so far.

Except Trump's visit to the Mobile stadium was at best 30%? full and not 100% full as the poster who claimed to have been there. Another tall tale.



Trump is at best a novelty. That's it.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

His answers last Sunday on news shows about his plan was he'd manage and hire smart managers and lawyers to straighten out the country and appeal the 14th amendment.

[weltschmerz]

President Trump! Lol! the only thing that would be more absurd than having a bloviating egomaniac with a poodle on his head as POTUS, is him having Charlie Sheen as VP.

Charlie Sheen has had a change of heart about Donald Trump, and is now lobbying to be his running mate! The former “Two and a Half Men” star tweeted on Thursday that he’s interested in being Trump’s vice president. See his historic tweet below.

www.gossipcop.com/charlie-sheen-vice-president-donald-trump-vp-tweet-running-mate/

[fishy999]

I am really confused whether he is trolling the GOP or for real.  Either way he will not be president- but the more he opens his mouth the more I think he is out to destroy the GOP candidates- not a lot of coverage when he went on record wanting to shut down the carried interest loophole (hedge fund managers)- that is not a GOP position at all- they defend rich people no matter how they get to be rich.

[djAdvocate]

i think this will ultimately be good for the GOP.  Trump is the culmination of what the Tea Party started.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I think this should be a good shake-up for BOTH parties.   Time to start reflecting on why it is people seem to be flocking to Trump instead of you.

I am aware some of it is the grandstanding.  People like Trump being Trump.  People also love a scapegoat which provides the illusion of an easy solution to all your problems, which is what he provides with his rant about illegal aliens.

But for him to get as far as he has that says something about our current politics and how people feel about your usual politician of the day.

[dondub]

ttp://www.tinadupuy.com/column/trump-rising-from-the-gops-ashes/

There’s no shortage of publicity maestro, name-emblazer Donald Trump think pieces on the Internet these days. Most will attribute his straight talk to his more-than-likely-fleeting frontrunner status. Others point to some anger or racism the Trump Brand Name has tapped into. The rest? Apologists or denouncers. But all seem to agree that Trump is bad for the Republican Party; he’s sucking all the air out of the nominee process. That some other alleged Serious Candidates won’t get the attention they need because Trump is, well, trumping them.

[weltschmerz]

Trump / Palin 2016!!!

 Oh God, can you imagine?? It would be the funniest thing EVER!

A narcissistic blowhard and a woman who can only speak in word salad with Russian dressing.

www.yahoo.com/politics/sarah-palin-gushes-over-donald-trump-in-127876580466.html

[djAdvocate]

Aug 29, 2015 16:38:43 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Trump / Palin 2016!!!

 Oh God, can you imagine?? It would be the funniest thing EVER!

A narcissistic blowhard and a woman who can only speak in word salad with Russian dressing.

www.yahoo.com/politics/sarah-palin-gushes-over-donald-trump-in-127876580466.html

former beauty queen hooks up with beauty pageant magnate?  not too surprising.

[weltschmerz]

[Tennesseer]

One thing I don't understand about conservatives attracted to/backing Donald Trump.  Many of the same conservatives cheering for Trump were and are against same-sex marriage based upon their religious beliefs.  Yet Trump has been married three times and according to the Christian Bible, divorce is wrong in most cases.  I doubt Trump's failed marriages ended because of those rare, few exceptions for divorce.

So why no mention or issue with his multiple marriages and divorces from Trump's conservative backers and supporters?

[Deleted]

Aug 28, 2015 13:19:43 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I think this should be a good shake-up for BOTH parties.   Time to start reflecting on why it is people seem to be flocking to Trump instead of you.

I am aware some of it is the grandstanding.  People like Trump being Trump.  People also love a scapegoat which provides the illusion of an easy solution to all your problems, which is what he provides with his rant about illegal aliens.

But for him to get as far as he has that says something about our current politics and how people feel about your usual politician of the day.

Does this say more about the state of politics? Or the state of the electorate?

[Value Buy]

Aug 29, 2015 18:13:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One thing I don't understand about conservatives attracted to/backing Donald Trump.  Many of the same consrvatives cheering for Trump were and are against same-sex marriage based upon their religious beliefs.  Yet Trump has been married three times and according to the Christian Bible, divorce is wrong in most cases.  I doubt Trump's failed marriages ended because of those rare, few exceptions for divorce.

So why no mention of his multiple divorces from Trump's conservative backers?

Bush III is still my choice.
Trump's three wives do not bother me. Remember, in your America, we are suppose to accept all the gay marriages too, so multiple marriages should not bother right wing Americans. 
Bill Clinton only wishes he could of got away with this! 
Unfortunately, Hillary would have made sure he was found after committing suicide on a playground.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 29, 2015 18:21:51 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 29, 2015 18:13:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One thing I don't understand about conservatives attracted to/backing Donald Trump.  Many of the same consrvatives cheering for Trump were and are against same-sex marriage based upon their religious beliefs.  Yet Trump has been married three times and according to the Christian Bible, divorce is wrong in most cases.  I doubt Trump's failed marriages ended because of those rare, few exceptions for divorce.

So why no mention of his multiple divorces from Trump's conservative backers?

Bush III is still my choice.
Trump's three wives do not bother me. Remember, in your America, we are suppose to accept all the gay marriages too, so multiple marriages should not bother right wing Americans. 
Bill Clinton only wishes he could of got away with this! 
Unfortunately, Hillary would have made sure he was found after committing suicide on a playground.

But my America is clearly not your America as you have expressed your America quite often. Your quoted location on your profile says it all: The former Republic of America

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Donald Trump's Poll Numbers No Longer Look Like a Bubble About To Burst.  They Look More Like Romney 2012...


WaPo- not exactly a Republican Party bastion, or supporter of ANYTHING that Donald Trump has said that has garnered him so much support among the GOP's conservative base- had this to say:

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/28/donald-trumps-polling-no-longer-looks-like-a-bubble-set-to-burst/

They pointed out that polls this early aren't predictive- Lieberman in 2004, Clinton in 2008, Perry in 2012...so, there's that, but...

The lesson, then, is this: What's happening with Trump in the polls is unusual by recent standards. No one who wasn't leading earlier in the year has gained and sustained a lead for this long — at least since 2008, which isn't a lot of data to work with.

But why would we be surprised? Nothing about Trump's campaign looks much like other recent runs for the White House.

My personal feeling is that so many people in the political elite, and the inside the beltway media, and most of the other GOP hopefuls have spent so much time dismissing Donald Trump as someone who is not serious, and deriding him as a "clown" and a "blowhard", that they've ignored, or otherwise failed to address the substantive reasons he has garnered so much support.  The fact is, even now virtually no one is willing to admit that there's any substance to Trump's campaign at all.  The few that do call his ideas bad, they say they're not the kind of ideas that can carry the day in the general election, but they do not actually address them.  I'm no political prognosticator- but it is my opinion that the longer Trump and his supporters are dismissed as non-serious, or simple bigots, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes and whatever else a phobes- the more that support will be cemented.  Right now, there's still time for a candidate like Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Fiorina, or Walker to knock Trump off the mountain- but they're going to have to hit hard, hit fast, and do it while not calling all the voters they need to win idiots and reality TV watchers.  

And as for that "those ideas don't win in the general election" talk-- the last GOP candidate to win Ohio was Bush after he hit China with tariffs on steel.  The Democrats, if you have any long term memory at all, have completely written off the white working class voters in favor of a "top and bottom" strategy.  Romney was unable to woo those voters, but they abandoned Obama to the tune of 10,000,000 fewer votes in 2012 vs. 2008. In fact, Obama's vote total in 2012- 59.8 million — was 100,000 less than the 59.9 million John McCain received in 2008. Mitt Romney of course got even fewer votes than Obama.

I know DJ will argue with me, but I don't think a big-turnout Trump election year will bode well for the Democrats.  Those people written off by the Democratic Party- the former champion of the working class (if you believe their propaganda)-- aren't even trying anymore.  My theory: Trump's found 'em.  And unless something dramatic happens- he keeps them.  

Whether or not Trump was serious to begin with, I cannot know.  I do know men like Trump though, and he's smart enough to know that he is within striking distance of the most powerful job in the world. He's not just going to walk away, or fade away- so those dreams of an "implosion" by the elites are over.  He's not going to take himself out- he is going to have to be taken out, and I don't see anyone that can do it.  In fact, it looks more and more like Cruz is angling for VP.

[marvholly]

OMG: I agree w/Paul again. I DO believe Cruz is trying out for VP. I find the idea of Palin as VP even more scary than Trump as President.

With the deadlocked legislative branch we have had for SOOOO many years I fail to see how Trump will be able to get ANY of his pet policies made into passed legislation/new laws and or a workable budget.

[Value Buy]

Aug 30, 2015 5:32:43 GMT -5 marvholly said:

OMG: I agree w/Paul again. I DO believe Cruz is trying out for VP. I find the idea of Palin as VP even more scary than Trump as President.

With the deadlocked legislative branch we have had for SOOOO many years I fail to see how Trump will be able to get ANY of his pet policies made into passed legislation/new laws and or a workable budget.

If a Republican wins the WH, I do not see the Senate or Congress going Democratic majority.
And if Trump actually does win, he will hog tie Boehner into any legislation he wants, Senate will follow.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 29, 2015 18:21:51 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 29, 2015 18:13:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One thing I don't understand about conservatives attracted to/backing Donald Trump.  Many of the same consrvatives cheering for Trump were and are against same-sex marriage based upon their religious beliefs.  Yet Trump has been married three times and according to the Christian Bible, divorce is wrong in most cases.  I doubt Trump's failed marriages ended because of those rare, few exceptions for divorce.

So why no mention of his multiple divorces from Trump's conservative backers?

Bush III is still my choice.
Trump's three wives do not bother me. Remember, in your America, we are suppose to accept all the gay marriages too, so multiple marriages should not bother right wing Americans. 
Bill Clinton only wishes he could of got away with this! 
Unfortunately, Hillary would have made sure he was found after committing suicide on a playground.

don't mistake envy for disgust.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 29, 2015 22:06:32 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Donald Trump's Poll Numbers No Longer Look Like a Bubble About To Burst.  They Look More Like Romney 2012...


WaPo- not exactly a Republican Party bastion, or supporter of ANYTHING that Donald Trump has said that has garnered him so much support among the GOP's conservative base- had this to say:

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/28/donald-trumps-polling-no-longer-looks-like-a-bubble-set-to-burst/

They pointed out that polls this early aren't predictive- Lieberman in 2004, Clinton in 2008, Perry in 2012...so, there's that, but...

The lesson, then, is this: What's happening with Trump in the polls is unusual by recent standards. No one who wasn't leading earlier in the year has gained and sustained a lead for this long — at least since 2008, which isn't a lot of data to work with.

But why would we be surprised? Nothing about Trump's campaign looks much like other recent runs for the White House.

My personal feeling is that so many people in the political elite, and the inside the beltway media, and most of the other GOP hopefuls have spent so much time dismissing Donald Trump as someone who is not serious, and deriding him as a "clown" and a "blowhard", that they've ignored, or otherwise failed to address the substantive reasons he has garnered so much support.  The fact is, even now virtually no one is willing to admit that there's any substance to Trump's campaign at all.  The few that do call his ideas bad, they say they're not the kind of ideas that can carry the day in the general election, but they do not actually address them.  I'm no political prognosticator- but it is my opinion that the longer Trump and his supporters are dismissed as non-serious, or simple bigots, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes and whatever else a phobes- the more that support will be cemented.  Right now, there's still time for a candidate like Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Fiorina, or Walker to knock Trump off the mountain- but they're going to have to hit hard, hit fast, and do it while not calling all the voters they need to win idiots and reality TV watchers.  

And as for that "those ideas don't win in the general election" talk-- the last GOP candidate to win Ohio was Bush after he hit China with tariffs on steel.  The Democrats, if you have any long term memory at all, have completely written off the white working class voters in favor of a "top and bottom" strategy.  Romney was unable to woo those voters, but they abandoned Obama to the tune of 10,000,000 fewer votes in 2012 vs. 2008. In fact, Obama's vote total in 2012- 59.8 million — was 100,000 less than the 59.9 million John McCain received in 2008. Mitt Romney of course got even fewer votes than Obama.

I know DJ will argue with me, but I don't think a big-turnout Trump election year will bode well for the Democrats. 

you're right.  i will.  so will Nate Silver, and any other analyst worth their salt.  big turnout is bad for the GOP.  period.  end of story.

if you want Trump to win, hope for LOW TURNOUT.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 29, 2015 22:06:32 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Donald Trump's Poll Numbers No Longer Look Like a Bubble About To Burst.  They Look More Like Romney 2012...


WaPo- not exactly a Republican Party bastion, or supporter of ANYTHING that Donald Trump has said that has garnered him so much support among the GOP's conservative base- had this to say:

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/28/donald-trumps-polling-no-longer-looks-like-a-bubble-set-to-burst/

this analysis is bogus for two reasons:

1) there were many other rises and falls in 2012 that are not shown on the graph.  Herman Cain was also a front runner.  Santorum was front runner: TWICE.  and they neglect to show that Gingrich was ALSO front-runner twice.
2) they show Romney's lead at the END OF THE CAMPAIGN (wheras all of the other leads were in the MIDDLE of the campaign).  Romney did not have that commanding of a lead all the way through the campaign.  he only GOT that lead by WINNING PRIMARIES. 

so, yeah.  Wa-Po should stick to reporting the news, rather than predicting it.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 30, 2015 9:18:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 30, 2015 5:32:43 GMT -5 marvholly said:

OMG: I agree w/Paul again. I DO believe Cruz is trying out for VP. I find the idea of Palin as VP even more scary than Trump as President.

With the deadlocked legislative branch we have had for SOOOO many years I fail to see how Trump will be able to get ANY of his pet policies made into passed legislation/new laws and or a workable budget.

If a Republican wins the WH, I do not see the Senate or Congress going Democratic majority.
And if Trump actually does win, he will hog tie Boehner into any legislation he wants, Senate will follow.

the two things are totally unrelated.

[Value Buy]

Aug 30, 2015 10:17:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 30, 2015 9:18:31 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

If a Republican wins the WH, I do not see the Senate or Congress going Democratic majority.
And if Trump actually does win, he will hog tie Boehner into any legislation he wants, Senate will follow.

the two things are totally unrelated.

Why?
If Trump takes the fall election, I assume Dems will not retake the Senate.
Boehner will fall in line behind Trump for the first few months at the least.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 30, 2015 11:32:47 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 30, 2015 10:17:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

the two things are totally unrelated.

Why?

they just are.  history will tell you that.

If Trump takes the fall election, I assume Dems will not retake the Senate.

and that assumption is generally untrue.  they might.  they might not.  but his success doesn't make the Democrat's failure that much more likely.  it will depend mostly on turnout, actually.  if turnout is like 2012, then it is very likely the Democrats will retake the Senate, regardless of who will win the presidency.  of course, it is less likely that Trump will win the presidency if turnout is high, as well.  but again, it doesn't have to do with TRUMP.  understand?

Boehner will fall in line behind Trump for the first few months at the least.

meh

[djAdvocate]

for the record, as long as Trump and Sanders make things interesting, the Democrats have a BETTER chance of succeeding in 2016.  an energized electorate favors Democrats.  this has been the case since at least 1990, maybe longer.  this is part of the reason that i worry about Trump, and part of why i think he is bad for the GOP.  i know it sounds paradoxical, in that he is a "popular" candidate.  but he is a "popular" candidate that i think has very narrow support.  i know that Paul thinks otherwise, and he has SOME polling data to back that up, but mostly within the GOP.  i am not yet convinced that Trump has the broad appeal required to win an election, and i think that he will really energize hispanics, to name one group, against him in 2016.  they are a very large voting bloc.  him saying he loves latinos is not going to get him there.  building walls, calling them "anchor babies", and  selling deportation is not going to win them over, either.

[Value Buy]

Aug 30, 2015 13:46:02 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

The voter that Trump isn't going to get is the legal citizen of parents that came here illegally. Or the now legal citizen that originally came here illegally. Does he need those people to win, that's the question. You'd have to do a lot of state by state analysis to figure that out. California has a huge immigrant population, both legal and illegal. He can totally afford to write the state off though. It's going Dem, and it awards electorates on a winner take all system. He could piss on the California flag and talk about selling the state back to Mexico and it wouldn't cost him a single electoral vote.

Arizona and Texas, two other states with huge immigrant populations are going Pub. I believe they're also winner take all states. He doesn't have to worry about a Dem taking them even if he angers their immigrants. Not sure on New Mexico. What I'm saying is, if you go state by state he might be fine even if he's unpopular with immigrants. Most of the states are going to go one way or the other. He just has to win the nomination in order to lock up those electoral votes. The swing states are where it matters, particularly Florida, but my sense is most Floridians care more about Cuban immigration than issues on the US/Mexico border.

They used to worry about the Cubans.  They are pretty much assimilated into the state, even through marriage of second generation, etc.

Now they worry about the Mexicans.

After relations with Cuba open up travel from Cuba to here, then Florida will worry about the Cubans again.
Trump could win Florida in the regular election.
Of course he could probably be way down in the polls and not win the nomination.

[fishy999]

Aug 29, 2015 18:13:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One thing I don't understand about conservatives attracted to/backing Donald Trump.  Many of the same conservatives cheering for Trump were and are against same-sex marriage based upon their religious beliefs.  Yet Trump has been married three times and according to the Christian Bible, divorce is wrong in most cases.  I doubt Trump's failed marriages ended because of those rare, few exceptions for divorce.

So why no mention or issue with his multiple marriages and divorces from Trump's conservative backers and supporters?

Because "sincere religious beliefs" are a load of shit some people use to discriminate.  The same hypocrites had no problem backing Newt.

Of course hetero marriage is a shining example of a covenant with the Lord 

[Wisconsin Beth]

Aug 30, 2015 11:50:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

for the record, as long as Trump and Sanders make things interesting, the Democrats have a BETTER chance of succeeding in 2016.  an energized electorate favors Democrats.  this has been the case since at least 1990, maybe longer.  this is part of the reason that i worry about Trump, and part of why i think he is bad for the GOP.  i know it sounds paradoxical, in that he is a "popular" candidate.  but he is a "popular" candidate that i think has very narrow support.  i know that Paul thinks otherwise, and he has SOME polling data to back that up, but mostly within the GOP.  i am not yet convinced that Trump has the broad appeal required to win an election, and i think that he will really energize hispanics, to name one group, against him in 2016.  they are a very large voting bloc.  him saying he loves latinos is not going to get him there.  building walls, calling them "anchor babies", and  selling deportation is not going to win them over, either.

I'd heard somewhere that the Asian American vote is watching Trump carefully.  That they're not really pleased with his immigration stance because they're immigrants too.  Sorry, no source, so feel free to discount as rumor/unsubstantiated. 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 30, 2015 13:37:46 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

i am not yet convinced that Trump has the broad appeal required to win an election, and i think that he will really energize hispanics, to name one group, against him in 2016. they are a very large voting bloc. him saying he loves latinos is not going to get him there. building walls, calling them "anchor babies", and selling deportation is not going to win them over, either.

True, but they also as a demographic don't have great voter turnout. .

precisely my point.  if Trump drives up turnout, he is going to lose.  not in the primary, but the GE.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 30, 2015 13:46:02 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

The voter that Trump isn't going to get is the legal citizen of parents that came here illegally. .

you really think it is that narrow?  how quaint.