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Post by swamp on Jul 8, 2015 11:22:30 GMT -5
Your mother is my MIL.
My MIL spends lots of time with my kids. I think she feeds them crap and watches too much TV. DH does talk to her about it. She's gotten better, but there is room for improvement.
So, which one of my sisters are you married to? And that's a whole 'nother thread, lol.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 8, 2015 11:40:22 GMT -5
FWIW I am a parent. I've also been a grandchild.
I am not yet (and am not in a hurry to be) a grandparent.
In my family the philosophy was it's the grandparents jobs to spoil the grandkids in a way they couldn't do with their own children.
NOW - they never went overboard.
My grandma watched us a lot when we were kids.
My parents watched DD a few times when she was little, but it was rare.
I think it's only fair that if you are asking someone else to watch your kids it gets to be their house, their rules (unless it's a safety issue).
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 8, 2015 11:40:40 GMT -5
Such a timely discussion.... My wife and I discussed this and our fear that our current arrangement may not work once we have kids. My MIL is having a hard enough time respecting our wishes as homeowners, we can already see the issues coming down when we are parents. There is a lot of pent up resentment between my wife and mother so I am cheering that it boils over before we have kids and someone moves out and we go back to just getting visits once every other month: saw this coming from a mile away
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jul 8, 2015 11:42:17 GMT -5
FWIW I am a parent. I've also been a grandchild. I am not yet (and am not in a hurry to be) a grandparent. In my family the philosophy was it's the grandparents jobs to spoil the grandkids in a way they couldn't do with their own children. NOW - they never went overboard. My grandma watched us a lot when we were kids. My parents watched DD a few times when she was little, but it was rare. I think it's only fair that if you are asking someone else to watch your kids it gets to be their house, their rules (unless it's a safety issue).
Calm down, BexLax. No need for cursing.
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Post by midjd on Jul 8, 2015 11:50:51 GMT -5
My mom and MIL are both very kindhearted, generous people and they still drive me crazy when it comes to these issues -- so those of you with toxic ILs or ex-ILs truly have my sympathy. MIL is the junk food pusher. DH had a few talks with her, and I've loosened up the dietary restrictions a bit now that DD has a pretty varied palate, so that's gotten better. I guarantee what she eats at MIL's isn't what I would feed her, but as long as it's not dairy, it's not worth fighting over. My mom is jealous of the amount of time DD spends with DH's family. She (mom) is extremely non-confrontational, so I only recently found out she had been harboring resentment for about a year because we'd had MIL babysit overnight several times and had never asked my mom to do it. (I never knew she wanted to!) I've made more of an effort to step things up, but it's exhausting to have to try to make things "even" all the time. SIL (who, like DD, is the blonde girl version of DH) is always posting pics of herself with DD. These end up with a bunch of "twins!" "she could be your kid!" etc. type of comments. Every time she posts a pic, I get a text from my mom about 30 minutes later with a side-by-side of me as a baby and DD now and a "don't you think she looks like you here?" Come on, it's not a contest! But there are much worse problems than having people fight over who gets to hang out with your kid and shower her with affection, so these are all minor gripes.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jul 8, 2015 11:51:32 GMT -5
So, which one of my sisters are you married to? And that's a whole 'nother thread, lol. Since both sisters already have husbands, it could be a very interesting thread indeed.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 8, 2015 11:52:59 GMT -5
Such a timely discussion.... My wife and I discussed this and our fear that our current arrangement may not work once we have kids. My MIL is having a hard enough time respecting our wishes as homeowners, we can already see the issues coming down when we are parents. There is a lot of pent up resentment between my wife and mother so I am cheering that it boils over before we have kids and someone moves out and we go back to just getting visits once every other month: saw this coming from a mile away Really now...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 11:56:09 GMT -5
@tbird, I don't negotiate with my DIL. I don't negotiate with my daughter either. It just doesn't work because of our personalities. I just smile and say, "No, thanks" when I disagree. If you don't give an opening, you don't get bullied into doing things their way.
I sound like I don't love them, and I do. Question and you are free To not answer if you don't want to... After reading some of your posts I just got to ask: How did your kids turn out such opposite of you? Is like you didn't even raise them or even live in the same house? They have a father, too.
My son is actually very like me in personality. I am very quiet and accommodating. My daughter is very much like her father. He's a nice guy but very controlling in a passive-aggressive type of way.
The thread, though, was about my DIL. She is like a third child of mine because they started dating when they were fifteen . . . twenty-two years ago.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 8, 2015 12:00:06 GMT -5
saw this coming from a mile away Really now... well yeah. It gets dicey any time you have a parent living with you, especially when you also have a SO living there too. Everyone has an opinion and it's usually not the same one. I know my mom and I would kill each other if we moved in together, and it would happen faster if it was her, a SO, and me.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Jul 8, 2015 12:03:13 GMT -5
well yeah. It gets dicey any time you have a parent living with you, especially when you also have a SO living there too. Everyone has an opinion and it's usually not the same one. I know my mom and I would kill each other if we moved in together, and it would happen faster if it was her, a SO, and me. Yeah, there's no way in hell I could live with my MIL. Or my Dad. Or my FIL. Mom, yeah, I could probably live with her. For what it's worth, my DH agrees with me on all 4!
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Post by The Captain on Jul 8, 2015 12:07:20 GMT -5
Calm down, BexLax. No need for cursing.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jul 8, 2015 12:15:36 GMT -5
Grandma's want to be the fun one. Not the disciplinarian they had to be when they were raising kids. Sometimes, you just have to let things go.
When DS was little, I asked my mom to not give him ice cream/ sweets because he didn't handle it well. Multiple times I asked her. But she had the " oh, pishaw" attitude and since she was doing us a favor - I had to let it go. Then one time, she had DS all day and they were running errands, one of which was taking relative to the dr. Because DS had been so good, she bought him ice cream. Shortly after that, she discovered just why I had asked not to give him sweets. In full on fashion, in the car- he turned into the spawn of satan. She called me and apologized for all the times she had done it then left us to deal with him. I laughed my butt off when she told me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 12:16:33 GMT -5
It's all about food and TV watching. They allow it as much as the kids want. They bring TONS of cookies and crackers and candy. Last month my kids came home from visiting them with 19 pez dispensers each. There are hours and hours of cartoon and general TV watching. things like that My daughter and I bump heads over the opposite. My grandson loves Greek yogurt and granola, bananas, blueberries, salad.... blah blah blah. Those are the "nicks" (snacks) he asks for at my house and it's almost always some here. I get mad at DD because even though none of that requires cooking or a lot of prep and she knows he can have as much of it as he wants, she'll still give him cookies and potato chips (that she brought over) instead. We also butt heads because she'd rather sit in the house and get irritated and yell at him to sit down when he starts bouncing off the walls than go sit on the patio and let him run around the backyard or play with his outside toys, or heaven forbid, actually throw a ball or something with him. He has a car, a big wheel and a bike in my garage! I keep trying to tell her that if she lets him burn off that energy outside, they'll both be happier. I try to mostly mind my own business, but those 2 things really, really irritate me and I do say something about them. So I guess I'm still the nerve-wrecking Grandma. I just think little kids should be encouraged to eat that kind of food, especially if they like it, instead of junk food all the time. And I think little kids should be able to run around and play, preferably outside when possible. He won't sit still long enough to watch tv for hours, so that's not an issue. Now I have to finish reading the thread....
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Post by andi9899 on Jul 8, 2015 12:16:33 GMT -5
I'm a parent. My parents do not ignore any rules I have set for my kids and never have. I would throw a fit if they had. There is also a difference between sneaking a piece of candy in and blatantly doing something that is either unsafe or against any moral rules you have. I have had my mom call me and ask if she could leave the girls at home and run to the grocery store or play with other kids around the corner and out of sight. She has never asked me for permission to give my kids a piece of candy or ice cream or something like that other than when Thing 1 had braces since some food and braces don't mix.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Jul 8, 2015 12:27:36 GMT -5
I can only imagine how difficult it can be to maintain family schedules and rules when extended family members won't cooperate. My mother died when ODS was 9 months old. My DMIL was deep into the throes of early-onset Alzheimer's before DH and I married. My DF and DFIL loved my kids but weren't keen on visits/babysitting.
So, my kids grew up without grandparents. I never had these issues but I would sure love to.
My point is, life is short. Childhood is even shorter. Do what works for your family in YOUR home. But, as long as extended family isn't placing your children in unsafe situations, then you really can't control what goes on in their homes anymore than you can control what goes on in your kids' friends homes. Kids are smart. They learn soon enough that different adults have different rules/parenting approaches/personalities, etc. That's a critical life lesson. Rather than try to control an uncontrollable situation, teach your kids how to make good choices for themselves when tempted by the 6th cookie or the unlimited soda or the lack of a consistent bedtime. Ask them how they really feel when they eat too much crap. Talk to them in terms of fueling their bodies, not stuffing empty calories into it. Point out how they are too tired to fully enjoy an activity because they aren't resting their body properly. Even young kids can be taught to begin to think this way. If you maintain a consistent approach and give your kids ample opportunities to practice making good choices (and expecting some "teachable" mistakes along the way), overindulgent family members won't have near the negative impact some of you fear.
JMHO. YMMV.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Jul 8, 2015 12:31:07 GMT -5
Susana's thread brought up a point that I've been debating/struggling with ever since I had kids. Grandparents and their rights (for the lack of a better word). When I was growing up one of my grandmas lived with us. She did a lot for me and raised me in many ways. Both of my parents worked. She also did some things that I knew that my mom didn't approve of - like she always had chocolate candy for me and would let me have it as much as I wanted. Now, that I have kids, I am on a flip side of things. My IL's COMPLETELY ignore any and all requests that I've made. While I backed off on many of them, the last straw was two years ago when I nicely asked my MIL not to feed chocolate to my then 2 yr old and she told me that it is her prerogative as a grandparent to do what she wants. I don't know if it's my "love" for my IL's that is coloring my vision of how the relationship should work between parents/grandparents/children but it's been very frustrating. What are your thoughts, experiences? These people should respect your wishes. I mistakenly took red strawberry licorice to a camp out. It was usual snack food. GrGrkids weren't supposed to be eating sugar because of behavior issues. My DD ate nearly the whole bag. Not getting it, I brought out another package. Doh.
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Post by steph08 on Jul 8, 2015 12:48:00 GMT -5
My kid is 1, but I am already not looking forward to dealing with the grandparents in this fashion. Most things I can (probably...) let slide. I just bottle everything up inside until some day I will explode over something minor. Mostly I solve this by controlling every situation my kid is in right now (as in, all grandparents come to our house to visit and they don't babysit her).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 13:09:24 GMT -5
It has now been 2 years since she has seen children. That's very sad. I don't understand why some grands seem to get "crazy". Were they always crazy? Yes, but it took DD a while to realize it. Apple did NOT fall far from tree (ex is crazy stalker & abusive).
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Post by cronewitch on Jul 8, 2015 13:28:03 GMT -5
Parents are fully in charge of how the children can be treated by everyone unless the parents are abusive. My parents almost lost getting to see my little brother's kids. They liked to take the kids a few days at a time and let them eat anything they wanted. The boy was told to lose 6lbs in 2nd grade and his parents had him on a strict diet but he kept coming home from grandparents heavier. They were told if he came back heavier one more time they couldn't take him. His sister didn't eat veggies so they didn't want her filled with junk food either. My older brother visited with his little kids and the youngest didn't know how to be spoiled so on the long drive his older sister explained it. Mom put out a huge bowl of fruit and told the kids they could have fruit whenever they wanted without asking. With parents they never got food without asking so this was huge spoiling. Youngest took an apple while they were putting dinner on the table and his mom said we are serving dinner know, he said he knew, he took a bite of the apple with an ear to ear grin since mom couldn't stop him and grandma let him. A spoiled dinner eating fruit before dinner is ok once in a while.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 8, 2015 13:39:37 GMT -5
For the record, my IL's NEVER respected ANYTHING about my (our) house, way before we even had kids. So, TheHaitian - it will only get worse, trust me. But as a full disclosure - I totally blame my husband for that - it was him who set up that dynamic - his house=their house. He never changed that after he got married and they thought that they could continue, with any regard for me.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 8, 2015 13:45:00 GMT -5
For the record, my IL's NEVER respected ANYTHING about my (our) house, way before we even had kids. So, TheHaitian - it will only get worse, trust me. But as a full disclosure - I totally blame my husband for that - it was him who set up that dynamic - his house=their house. He never changed that after he got married and they thought that they could continue, with any regard for me. Oh no I said it clearly: MY house, MY rules. She wants to change the rules, she can go to Haiti. My wife has also made that clear to her. It is the attitude, the poor me and the prima donna that ensures afterwards (I can see where my wife gets it) that is the issue. She told my wife that she prayed God to give her the courage to leave and I was like; and you didn't show her the door saying God told you to do it as a sign? My wife doesn't be rude and come off as the evil BIATCH that kicked her mom out so they just basically ignore each other now and act civil. Last argument I basically told them: I have had enough and I am not going to be living in a toxic environment in my own house. If I want to pay $2,287 to be tortured I can find a dominatrix that would do it for cheaper.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jul 8, 2015 13:49:00 GMT -5
I think it depends on the WHY they are doing it. If they are coming in and criticing your house and moving/changing things that is one thing. If they are trying to actually be helpful, rather than "your not doing it right" it's another.
It used to drive me crazy when my mom or MIL would come over and do housework when they stayed with DS. Things like fold the laundry and do the dishes. MIL used to make dinner. It pissed me off to no end. To me it seemed like they thought I couldn't/wouldn't do it.
It took me a long time to realize that they knew what it was to a working mom and they were only trying to do something nice. Helpful not judgemental. But I couldn't see that at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 13:50:18 GMT -5
For the record, my IL's NEVER respected ANYTHING about my (our) house, way before we even had kids. So, TheHaitian - it will only get worse, trust me. But as a full disclosure - I totally blame my husband for that - it was him who set up that dynamic - his house=their house. He never changed that after he got married and they thought that they could continue, with any regard for me. I know it's your husband's house too, and his parents, but I don't think I could welcome anyone into my home that didn't respect that it's MY home. And I don't think I would let my kids be around anybody that had no respect for me whatsoever. I wouldn't want my kids to see me allowing someone to mistreat me and I would think that they might bad mouth me around my kids if I wasn't around. That's a bad spot for a kid to be in.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 8, 2015 14:05:39 GMT -5
Such a timely discussion.... My wife and I discussed this and our fear that our current arrangement may not work once we have kids. My MIL is having a hard enough time respecting our wishes as homeowners, we can already see the issues coming down when we are parents. There is a lot of pent up resentment between my wife and mother so I am cheering that it boils over before we have kids and someone moves out and we go back to just getting visits once every other month: I'd like to hear more about these issues? maybe start a thread? there is a non-zero chance that my mom might end up with us 5-10 years from now. my DW is somewhat open to the idea, but really concerned about boundaries, because my mom is a total meanie who'll do things like bring food to the house when she comes to visit, or buy clothes for her grandkids. That is the issue, my MIL/wife relationships has no boundaries and I think buying/owning a house brought the ugly out. - my wife as the new homeowner wants to run her house, yard, garden a certain way. She has the right to it, it is her house. - my MIL not only criticized her choices but to add insult to injury just disregard it and changes it or does it her way. ---> ex: my wife will place the furniture a certain way because she likes it that way. My MIL would off course give her opinion how she hates it, then go behind my wife backs and change it the way she likes it. ----> now my wife will come home pissed to find that and change the way she wanted it and now her mom will get mad and say all kind of stuff and there comes the fight. She doesn't seem to be able to "back off" and understand it is not her place. And it is not new, she used to that to us when we rented and she was just visiting for a week... Having a house and living with us just magnifies it. My mother would never dream of ever doing that so I just don't get it. It has come to the point where I feel she does it on purpose just to antagonize my wife and push her buttons.
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Post by shanendoah on Jul 8, 2015 14:06:05 GMT -5
I remember once when I was in 8th or 9th grade, my mother arguing with my grandfather over whether or not I could have a candy bar. We were at Grandpa's house. It was his candy bar. I asked. He said yes. Mom said no. He said yes again. They had a short (and not heated, more exasperated on my mom's part) argument. It ended with me being able to take the candy bar, but being old enough and smart enough to decide not to. But because my mom was willing to have that argument in front of me, I am willing to have similar (non-heated) arguments with her in front of Pop Tart. I have said I have no idea what happened to MY mother. Body snatchers came and replaced her with this woman called "Grandma" and while physically she is identical to my mother, Grandma is nothing like Mom was. (For example, Pop Tart complained of a tummy ache, so Grandma fed her jello with cool whip. Mom would have fed me dry toast.) But I tell my mom, in front of Pop Tart, (also so that Pop Tart KNOWS Grandma has been told this and can't pull a "oh no, they let me do that") that we limit sugar and caffeine. She shouldn't get a snack less than 90 minutes before dinner or she won't eat dinner, etc. The kicker in my case is that Grandma lives far away, and when Pop Tart goes to stay with her, she goes for a few weeks, and neither C nor I are there, so Grandma does have to live with the consequences. So if she gives Pop Tart extra sugar and caffeine, Grandma has to live with the twitchy, irritable child. If she lets Pop Tart watch something scary, she has to live with the nightmares, with Pop Tart refusing to walk down the hall by herself, etc. So for the most part, Grandma follows the rules, but with dessert every night and a bit more screen time than we allow.
When I took Pop Tart to go visit my grandfather (her great grandfather), I did it knowing that, as the only great grandchild he was ever going to meet, he was going to spoil her for that week. But honestly, I wanted that experience for both of them. So while I still kept some control (I took care of meals for all 3 of us), I just went in knowing this was going to be a once in a lifetime thing (he died less than 9 months later) and that I was going to allow it.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 8, 2015 14:07:17 GMT -5
I lucked out with my mom. We are both very strong personalities, but yet she is awesome with DS. Granted they haven't had many "alone" visits but he adores her even though she doesn't give him junk or let him get away with murder. She is 100% respectful with regard to my preferences with DS. I don't have as many now as I did when he was younger though. X's parents however.... they see him often and are always trying to stuff him with junk food and pointless toys. Every time I go to the house I swear there is a new toy.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jul 8, 2015 14:18:02 GMT -5
The toys are a hard one. My brother is an anti-clutter freak, so all the kids toys really stresses him out. So he tries to bar everyone from buying them, but in reality, this isn't going to happen.
I do try to respect it to some degree. He doesn't like cheap plastic stuff, fine, I will find sturdier/wooden alternatives. I know my brother would be much happier with a check for the 529, but part of me feels really weird not getting the kid at least SOMETHING for Christmas and birthdays. So it is usually a small gift, and then a check for the "rest".
The toys really are a waste of money, the kid has so freaking many.
My mother of course completely ignores the request and just buys a crap ton of toys.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 8, 2015 14:21:55 GMT -5
The toys are a hard one. My brother is an anti-clutter freak, so all the kids toys really stresses him out. So he tries to bar everyone from buying them, but in reality, this isn't going to happen. I do try to respect it to some degree. He doesn't like cheap plastic stuff, fine, I will find sturdier/wooden alternatives. I know my brother would be much happier with a check for the 529, but part of me feels really weird not getting the kid at least SOMETHING for Christmas and birthdays. So it is usually a small gift, and then a check for the "rest". The toys really are a waste of money, the kid has so freaking many. My mother of course completely ignores the request and just buys a crap ton of toys. my mom likes getting DS educational toys, which I love (and he loves). Could you maybe buy those? Or if your brother would rather have you contribute to the 529, can you maybe buy the kid(s) a silver coin? It's shiny and adds to their portfolio.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Jul 8, 2015 14:26:11 GMT -5
I do try to get educational, or developmental toys, or books. Nephew is currently only two, so for now the checks work. Plus my brother would probably just lose the coin. I once had to chase him for half a year to cash a check. He had "misplaced" it. He finally found it again in an card with a few hundred other dollars he had "forgotten" about. Luckily he gave me the deposit slip info for the 529 so I can just bypass him entirely.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jul 8, 2015 14:27:59 GMT -5
Our parents did a good enough job with us we figure they can do fine with the grandkids. They spoil too much and don't do everything we like but that's life.
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