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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 10:55:51 GMT -5
Do people here know many people with bad or problematic ways? I work with a lot of people who have had DUI's. One guy who was in prison for 24 years, but won't say why, one guy who robbed banks, lots of people who talk racisistly. A lot of them are nice, but then I remember he did some really assholish thing. It is hard for me not to have sympathy for someone who seems nice and friendly even though they made some terrible choices. If that makes sense. As far as the 5 DUIs, I have driven drunk more then 5 times. I have no DUIs and would have changed my ways after the first, but if the thing he did wrong was put others at risk for driving drunk then I have done the same thing. I just didn't get caught. There are probably some people here who have never driven drunk, and I don't any more. I don't drink. But I do not think there are any angels here who have never done something bad that either did or could have hurt someone else a great deal. Texting on the phone puts others at great risk, for example. I sure as hell am not an Angel. But I have never, and will never, knowingly initiate an action that could cause serious harm or death to another individual. I don't even use my cell phone while driving (and that was before it became the law here). A car that is not under total control of the driver is a potential killing machine. Seriously, go back and read your posts - do you really care so little about other people's safety? what have I said that would put anyone in danger? That a person with a DUI should be forced to quit drinking and verify that or go to jail. That I have drove drunk before. I was wrong, I do not do that now. I do not believe that I am anywhere close to the only one here who has done that. I bet there are others here who do that occasionally now. Probably not blotto drunk, but after a few wines. You might not text or talk on phone while driving, but I bet you are the exception here. And if you are not an angel, then why get on the high horse because others are not either?
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why is it hard to believe a nice racist? Most racists that I know don't want to hang ------- from a tree. They just don't want to have their kids marry one or think they are lazy or whatever. It is no more ignorant then what some posters think of southerners in that thread. But to honest, I think pretty much everyone is a bit racist to some extent. It might not be some ugly overwhelming racist thoughts, but still racist. I really don't get judging someone by the color of their skin at all. It reeks of hate to me...not "nice". There have been a lot of adoption/interracial marriage in my family. I can't fathom treating people differently or judging those that marry someone a different race. Same sex and Southern/Northern marriages in my family too. We're a crazy bunch!
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why is it hard to believe a nice racist? Most racists that I know don't want to hang ------- from a tree. They just don't want to have their kids marry one or think they are lazy or whatever. It is no more ignorant then what some posters think of southerners in that thread. But to honest, I think pretty much everyone is a bit racist to some extent. It might not be some ugly overwhelming racist thoughts, but still racist. I really don't get judging someone by the color of their skin at all. It reeks of hate to me...not "nice". There have been a lot of adoption/interracial marriage in my family. I can't fathom treating people differently or judging those that marry someone a different race. Same sex and Southern/Northern marriages in my family too. We're a crazy bunch! Is there no ugly thoughts in your family? What a remarkable bunch. If there is some ugly thoughts by some in your family does that make you think of them as ugly people? Not directing this at you personally, but I do not believe posters here are anywhere near as perfect as they want to pretend they are. I don't believe the poster on another thread who said he has never had a discriminatory thought in ~40 years. I do not believe the Captain who says she has never done something intentionally that put someone else at risk., maybe it is not texting while driving or driving drunk, but not nothing. I just don't believe anyone is that perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 11:12:13 GMT -5
I really don't get judging someone by the color of their skin at all. It reeks of hate to me...not "nice". There have been a lot of adoption/interracial marriage in my family. I can't fathom treating people differently or judging those that marry someone a different race. Same sex and Southern/Northern marriages in my family too. We're a crazy bunch! Is there no ugly thoughts in your family? What a remarkable bunch. If there is some ugly thoughts by some in your family does that make you think of them as ugly people? I don't know. If there are, they keep them to themselves. Your nice racist friends are obviously sharing these thoughts with you. My family will judge, but they judge people's actions, not their appearance. A lot of them are very down on lazy people, but the color of the skin is not relevant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 11:15:48 GMT -5
Is there no ugly thoughts in your family? What a remarkable bunch. If there is some ugly thoughts by some in your family does that make you think of them as ugly people? I don't know. If there are, they keep them to themselves. Your nice racist friends are obviously sharing these thoughts with you. My family will judge, but they judge people's actions, not their appearance. A lot of them are very down on lazy people, but the color of the skin is not relevant. So you think it is possible that no one in your family has an ugly thought? I think we have different ideas on what honest conversation is.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 12, 2015 11:20:53 GMT -5
I'm one of those people that think anyone convicted of a DUI should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon and jailed. I don't think anyone put a gun to the defendant's head and forced them to drink. Personal choice, personal responsibility.
I've gotten off of several juries by telling the judge this. Somehow defending attorneys don't like my attitude. what about people who text while driving? It is every bit as dangerous for the moment or two the driver is texting. Aye, there's the rub. You can always put your phone down, and be fine. You can't suddenly become not drunk. You're drunk throughout the duration of your trip.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 12, 2015 11:24:34 GMT -5
Seriously? So, because they don't actually want to hang someone makes them nice? I'll bet they'd be more than happy to hang them if they lived in a different time, when lynching was perfectly acceptable.
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Post by dannylion on Jul 12, 2015 11:32:05 GMT -5
I think hickle must live in a very different world, at least from the one I live in. He seems to have no frame of reference to enable him to understand that not everyone's experience mirrors his. Therefore, anyone with different life experiences must surely be lying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 11:34:04 GMT -5
I don't know. If there are, they keep them to themselves. Your nice racist friends are obviously sharing these thoughts with you. My family will judge, but they judge people's actions, not their appearance. A lot of them are very down on lazy people, but the color of the skin is not relevant. So you think it is possible that no one in your family has an ugly thought? I think we have different ideas on what honest conversation is. Like I said, I have no idea what anyone's thoughts are. But your friends are obviously sharing them enough for you to label them as racist. I can say that I've never heard anything come out of any of my family members mouths that would make me think that.
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Post by swamp on Jul 12, 2015 11:37:24 GMT -5
If people with addictions were that rational I wouldn't have a job. Lots of people end up in jail because their addiction fuels criminal behavior. And they don't go to prison first offense. In your practice have you ever seen someone go to jail because they failed a drug test or alcohol test? It is not a new idea to test for substances and put in jail if they fail, is it? I,see it daily. Ive seen "I'm releasing you for 6 weeks. You will be randomly tested. If you are negative, you will be put on probation. If you are positive, you will go to prison for 7 years." They test positive. Ive seen people lose their kids beciase they keep using. Addiction is ugly.
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Post by moneymaven on Jul 12, 2015 13:38:51 GMT -5
I'm completely shocked reading the most recent set of posts.
You work with people who verbalize their racism and yet they're nice? Sure many people have negative thoughts for a variety of reasons (not necessarily race) based on another persons appearance but to actually verbalize them? And better yet, in a work setting!?
How old are you hickle? I ask simply because I think a timeframe surrounding your life experience and understanding our history would help me better understand some of your perspective, but frankly it comes off as naivety. You need to check in with reality!
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Post by milee on Jul 12, 2015 13:47:51 GMT -5
So the idea is that since nobody is perfect and there's nobody who hasn't committed some wrong at some point... we should not incarcerate or punish anyone ever?
Or is it that since we only arrest some of the drunk drivers and it's not fair because everybody has done it but few get caught, we should stop bothering to arrest or punish any of them?
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I'm completely shocked reading the most recent set of posts. You work with people who verbalize their racism and yet they're nice? Sure many people have negative thoughts for a variety of reasons (not necessarily race) based on another persons appearance but to actually verbalize them? And better yet, in a work setting!? How old are you hickle? I ask simply because I think a timeframe surrounding your life experience and understanding our history would help me better understand some of your perspective, but frankly it comes off as naivety. You need to check in with reality! I am 54 and work in construction. People are racist even if they do not say the word. I don't know where you work or what you do, but I would bet money that a good percentage of your co-workers would be upset if their child were to marry someone of a particular race. Maybe black or maybe some middle easterner or whatever. We live in a racist world, not saying some word or verbalizing it does not make it a better world, just a more covered up world. I am not saying that no one is racist, but I am saying it is almost an impossible standard to not have any prejudice and I think most here who claim that are full of it. Did you think the people bad talking southerners were hateful bigots? Take some guy you think is nice, and imagine him saying something racist, does that one sentence change the other ten thousand things he has said or the way he treats the people he meets or the integrity he shows? Racism is never going to go away because there is some stupid impossible standard that people say they live up to that is almost certainly bullshit, and they act so superior to others who are more honest in their prejudices. So many here want to project themselves as such pure beings, never did anything to put anyone at risk, never thought a pprejudicial thought, it is just bullshit. Do you think the Captain never allowed herself to become distracted whiile driving or to drive when she knew she was too tired but only a half hour from home. According to her she has never done anything that would put someone else at increased risk of injury. Maybe, but it doesn't fit my understanding of human kind. It is the same with people who say they have no racial prejudices at all, and can't even comprehend the idea.
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In your practice have you ever seen someone go to jail because they failed a drug test or alcohol test? It is not a new idea to test for substances and put in jail if they fail, is it? I,see it daily. Ive seen "I'm releasing you for 6 weeks. You will be randomly tested. If you are negative, you will be put on probation. If you are positive, you will go to prison for 7 years." They test positive. Ive seen people lose their kids beciase they keep using. Addiction is ugly. so the law can say do this or else and if they don't do "this" then they will get the "or else". With a 7 year prison sentence I am guessing it is something reasonably serious, so courts already do something similar to what I suggested and it is working to an extent? Some succeed and some fail and go to jail.
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I,see it daily. Ive seen "I'm releasing you for 6 weeks. You will be randomly tested. If you are negative, you will be put on probation. If you are positive, you will go to prison for 7 years." They test positive. Ive seen people lose their kids beciase they keep using. Addiction is ugly. so the law can say do this or else and if they don't do "this" then they will get the "or else". With a 7 year prison sentence I am guessing it is something reasonably serious, so courts already do something similar to what I suggested and it is working to an extent? Some succeed and some fail and go to jail. How are you not understanding that a guy with 5 DUIs has not been told "do this" or you will get the "or else" MANY times already. He's now at the "Or else". His choice.
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I thought my suggestion was maybe a pragmatic solution. I also thought it would be an interesting idea to talk about. For those who say I am for no punishment, I suggested the DUI guy pay for his on verification. I suggested that be by going to a police station and taking a breathalyzer twice a day at $25 a pop. So that would mean about an hour or more a day and over $15,000 a year. I dont believe I suggested a time limit. I did say that those who could not afford it, it should be lessened, but the guy here could afford it at his wages. It is ~20% of his pay. That is punishment. Swamp said she deals with people on probation who have to take drug tests to get probation. I do not know why this would be offered if it is not known to work at least some of the time. I think the way probation works, is that if you fail, you go straight to jail, not back to court for another round of guilt or innocence. Anyway it was just an idea I thought interesting. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 12, 2015 21:51:32 GMT -5
This thread has finally jumped the shark. That, or it is a spoof thread.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 12, 2015 22:24:00 GMT -5
I'm completely shocked reading the most recent set of posts. You work with people who verbalize their racism and yet they're nice? Sure many people have negative thoughts for a variety of reasons (not necessarily race) based on another persons appearance but to actually verbalize them? And better yet, in a work setting!? How old are you hickle? I ask simply because I think a timeframe surrounding your life experience and understanding our history would help me better understand some of your perspective, but frankly it comes off as naivety. You need to check in with reality! I am 54 and work in construction. People are racist even if they do not say the word. I don't know where you work or what you do, but I would bet money that a good percentage of your co-workers would be upset if their child were to marry someone of a particular race. Maybe black or maybe some middle easterner or whatever. We live in a racist world, not saying some word or verbalizing it does not make it a better world, just a more covered up world. I am not saying that no one is racist, but I am saying it is almost an impossible standard to not have any prejudice and I think most here who claim that are full of it. Did you think the people bad talking southerners were hateful bigots? Take some guy you think is nice, and imagine him saying something racist, does that one sentence change the other ten thousand things he has said or the way he treats the people he meets or the integrity he shows?
Racism is never going to go away because there is some stupid impossible standard that people say they live up to that is almost certainly bullshit, and they act so superior to others who are more honest in their prejudices. So many here want to project themselves as such pure beings, never did anything to put anyone at risk, never thought a pprejudicial thought, it is just bullshit. Do you think the Captain never allowed herself to become distracted whiile driving or to drive when she knew she was too tired but only a half hour from home. According to her she has never done anything that would put someone else at increased risk of injury. Maybe, but it doesn't fit my understanding of human kind. It is the same with people who say they have no racial prejudices at all, and can't even comprehend the idea. You'd lose that bet. Most of my coworkers are in mixed marriages or have mixed kids. Nobody's upset.
Yes, it most certainly would change things. I'd never feel the same way about that person again. You sound like you're trying to justify your own racism. You're not fooling anybody.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 12, 2015 22:27:38 GMT -5
I thought my suggestion was maybe a pragmatic solution. I also thought it would be an interesting idea to talk about. For those who say I am for no punishment, I suggested the DUI guy pay for his on verification. I suggested that be by going to a police station and taking a breathalyzer twice a day at $25 a pop. So that would mean about an hour or more a day and over $15,000 a year. I dont believe I suggested a time limit. I did say that those who could not afford it, it should be lessened, but the guy here could afford it at his wages. It is ~20% of his pay. That is punishment. Swamp said she deals with people on probation who have to take drug tests to get probation. I do not know why this would be offered if it is not known to work at least some of the time. I think the way probation works, is that if you fail, you go straight to jail, not back to court for another round of guilt or innocence. Anyway it was just an idea I thought interesting. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) Maybe for a second DUI, but for a fifth? You've got to be kidding! Lock them up and throw away the key.
Tenn is right. This thread has jumped the shark. It sounds like something from Mad Magazine. Racism is not acceptable. Driving while drunk is not acceptable. Deal with it, instead of making excuses.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 12, 2015 23:50:41 GMT -5
Reading this thread like: ![](http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/12/c3f696c357a9fe9d10dda4a0a9c0fc2e.jpg)
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 13, 2015 0:15:56 GMT -5
I know, eh? The more he posts, the happier I am that I live far, far away from him. Between the "nice racists who wouldn't actually lynch anybody" (in this day and age, but probably would have, not too long ago), to defending repeat drunk drivers...the further the better.
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Post by moneymaven on Jul 13, 2015 5:13:06 GMT -5
I'm completely shocked reading the most recent set of posts. You work with people who verbalize their racism and yet they're nice? Sure many people have negative thoughts for a variety of reasons (not necessarily race) based on another persons appearance but to actually verbalize them? And better yet, in a work setting!? How old are you hickle? I ask simply because I think a timeframe surrounding your life experience and understanding our history would help me better understand some of your perspective, but frankly it comes off as naivety. You need to check in with reality! I am 54 and work in construction. People are racist even if they do not say the word. I don't know where you work or what you do, but I would bet money that a good percentage of your co-workers would be upset if their child were to marry someone of a particular race. Maybe black or maybe some middle easterner or whatever. We live in a racist world, not saying some word or verbalizing it does not make it a better world, just a more covered up world. I am not saying that no one is racist, but I am saying it is almost an impossible standard to not have any prejudice and I think most here who claim that are full of it. Did you think the people bad talking southerners were hateful bigots? Take some guy you think is nice, and imagine him saying something racist, does that one sentence change the other ten thousand things he has said or the way he treats the people he meets or the integrity he shows? Racism is never going to go away because there is some stupid impossible standard that people say they live up to that is almost certainly bullshit, and they act so superior to others who are more honest in their prejudices. So many here want to project themselves as such pure beings, never did anything to put anyone at risk, never thought a pprejudicial thought, it is just bullshit. Do you think the Captain never allowed herself to become distracted whiile driving or to drive when she knew she was too tired but only a half hour from home. According to her she has never done anything that would put someone else at increased risk of injury. Maybe, but it doesn't fit my understanding of human kind. It is the same with people who say they have no racial prejudices at all, and can't even comprehend the idea. Your reply says far more about you and your own racism than anyone else. It's riddled with ignorance and naivety.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 13, 2015 7:22:44 GMT -5
Your reply says far more about you and your own racism than anyone else. It's riddled with ignorance and naivety. I don't even know how this thread got onto racism or what he's trying to say...whew... He's trying to make the "nobody's perfect so who are we to say that this person is bad and deserves to be punished" argument. That's a last ditch effort to try one more shot at being "right". I'm not even trying to be smart here, but sometimes I think he's trolling because some of the stuff that comes out is just....
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jul 13, 2015 15:10:13 GMT -5
I read enough of the first page to get the idea and skipped to the last page. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/doh.gif) I should have just stayed out altogether..... Hickle and I have apparently met very different racists in our time. And he has a 14 year headstart on me. SMH.
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 13, 2015 15:11:51 GMT -5
::People are racist even if they do not say the word. I don't know where you work or what you do, but I would bet money that a good percentage of your co-workers would be upset if their child were to marry someone of a particular race.::
Just to clarify, this isn't even racism. If you aren't treating them poorly or believe that they are inferior due to race, it's not actually racist. (I suppose there's an argument to be made that if you don't want someone to marry your kid you're treating them poorly or inferior? Personally, I think a lot of people who want their own kids to marry within their race are seeking homogeny and not necessarily believing that others are inferior).
I think there's often a pretty big misunderstanding that prejudice is far different from racism. LOTS of things are prejudice, I would venture to say that nearly everyone is prejudice, and MANY people are prejudice based on race. That doesn't equal racism.
Prejudice: Black people love fried chicken. Racist: Black people are inferior to white people.
::I really don't get judging someone by the color of their skin at all. It reeks of hate to me...not "nice". ::
I don't think most judgement based on skin color is all that hateful in real life. Most of it seems to be of the "you're white, so you like pop and country music, you won't like rap" "you're black, did you play basketball in high school?" "asians are good at math" "you're hispanic, so you're from Mexico right?" "You're from the Middle East so you must be Muslim". That's all judgement, which is prejudice. It's often wrong, but many times not hateful (I would say primarily ignorant as opposed to hateful). One of the things I don't think we do a good job of as a society is separating out ignorance from hatred.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 13, 2015 15:14:23 GMT -5
I'm completely shocked reading the most recent set of posts. You work with people who verbalize their racism and yet they're nice? Sure many people have negative thoughts for a variety of reasons (not necessarily race) based on another persons appearance but to actually verbalize them? And better yet, in a work setting!? How old are you hickle? I ask simply because I think a timeframe surrounding your life experience and understanding our history would help me better understand some of your perspective, but frankly it comes off as naivety. You need to check in with reality! I am 54 and work in construction. People are racist even if they do not say the word. I don't know where you work or what you do, but I would bet money that a good percentage of your co-workers would be upset if their child were to marry someone of a particular race. Maybe black or maybe some middle easterner or whatever. We live in a racist world, not saying some word or verbalizing it does not make it a better world, just a more covered up world. I am not saying that no one is racist, but I am saying it is almost an impossible standard to not have any prejudice and I think most here who claim that are full of it. Did you think the people bad talking southerners were hateful bigots? Take some guy you think is nice, and imagine him saying something racist, does that one sentence change the other ten thousand things he has said or the way he treats the people he meets or the integrity he shows? Racism is never going to go away because there is some stupid impossible standard that people say they live up to that is almost certainly bullshit, and they act so superior to others who are more honest in their prejudices. So many here want to project themselves as such pure beings, never did anything to put anyone at risk, never thought a pprejudicial thought, it is just bullshit. Do you think the Captain never allowed herself to become distracted whiile driving or to drive when she knew she was too tired but only a half hour from home. According to her she has never done anything that would put someone else at increased risk of injury. Maybe, but it doesn't fit my understanding of human kind. It is the same with people who say they have no racial prejudices at all, and can't even comprehend the idea. 1. Note I said knowingly initiate. Huge difference bucko. Yes accidents happen and people can get distracted by things beyond their control. Pounding down several drinks does not fall under that header in my book. 2. I work downtown and commute from the burbs. My drive home from the train station is 10 minutes. I have stayed in a hotel room downtown, sometimes at my own expense, at least a dozen times over the years when I knew I'd be too tired to drive home when working late. It sucks when I do this cause I don't see my kid at all for over 24 hours. Driving while drowsy is just as dangerous as driving while drunk or texting. We have the stats to prove it. On road trips DH and I spell each other and have stopped early many times when we felt tired. When I drive distances alone, the timing is planned specifically so it will be when I'm most awake. Seriously, what is so hard about this? I'm truly stunned you take operating a machine capable of killing others so lightly. Guess I shouldn't be though, if everyone took it seriously we wouldn't have as many auto fatalities as we do, now would we?
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 13, 2015 15:22:07 GMT -5
::1. Note I said knowingly initiate. Huge difference bucko. Yes accidents happen and people can get distracted by things beyond their control.::
Really? You've never driven with the radio on? They've proven that to be dangerously distracting as well. Also eating, talking to others in the car, talking on the phone even with bluetooth, and some other things that it seems very doubtful you've never done.
Those are all things you would knowingly initiate. I have a hard time believing you, or nearly anyone else, hasn't done some of them while driving in their life.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 13, 2015 15:38:06 GMT -5
::1. Note I said knowingly initiate. Huge difference bucko. Yes accidents happen and people can get distracted by things beyond their control.:: Really? You've never driven with the radio on? They've proven that to be dangerously distracting as well. Also eating, talking to others in the car, talking on the phone even with bluetooth, and some other things that it seems very doubtful you've never done. Those are all things you would knowingly initiate. I have a hard time believing you, or nearly anyone else, hasn't done some of them while driving in their life. Seriously hoops? By your logic even breathing or scratching an itch would be distracting. I don't use my cell phone at all, even with blue tooth, when driving. Most of the time I have a CD in the player so I'm not switching radio stations cause, yea - that can be distracting. But there are studies which show listening to music while driving can actually improve focus and concentration so if you'd cite your source for your dangerously distracting comment on that I'd appreciate it. Here's mine: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130606101550.htmMost people are capable of multi-tasking to a certain extent. You can walk and chew gum at the same time, right? I bet if you focus on it you can even talk and pat your head at the same time. If we're in heavy traffic it's not uncommon for the driver to ask passengers to be quiet so they can focus. We take driving pretty seriously in my family. And no, I don't eat when I'm driving - that to me is gross.
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Post by hoops902 on Jul 13, 2015 15:51:23 GMT -5
::Seriously hoops? By your logic even breathing or scratching an itch would be distracting. :: it's not by my logic. It's based on research on distracted driving and vehicle fatalities caused by distracted driving...which have clearly demonstrated that it's virtually impossible not to be a distracted driver in real life situations. That's the entire point, that anyone who says "I don't drive distracted" is almost definitely lying about it. So choosing to go after people for legal activities which one simply doesn't approve of makes one a hypocrite. ::Most people are capable of multi-tasking to a certain extent. You can walk and chew gum at the same time, right? I bet if you focus on it you can even talk and pat your head at the same time. :: Ahhh, but isn't this the problem? Don't all people who text and drive think they can do both just fine? Don't people who drink and drive plan on getting home safely? Just a few links, there are tons of them though. www.examiner.com/article/listening-to-music-while-driving-can-be-hazardouswww.drdriving.org/misc/music_strick_report.htmlThe issue seems to be that nearly universally people think "the things I do aren't dangerous because I'm good at it", right up until they kill someone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 15:51:47 GMT -5
I am 54 and work in construction. People are racist even if they do not say the word. I don't know where you work or what you do, but I would bet money that a good percentage of your co-workers would be upset if their child were to marry someone of a particular race. Maybe black or maybe some middle easterner or whatever. We live in a racist world, not saying some word or verbalizing it does not make it a better world, just a more covered up world. I am not saying that no one is racist, but I am saying it is almost an impossible standard to not have any prejudice and I think most here who claim that are full of it. Did you think the people bad talking southerners were hateful bigots? Take some guy you think is nice, and imagine him saying something racist, does that one sentence change the other ten thousand things he has said or the way he treats the people he meets or the integrity he shows? Racism is never going to go away because there is some stupid impossible standard that people say they live up to that is almost certainly bullshit, and they act so superior to others who are more honest in their prejudices. So many here want to project themselves as such pure beings, never did anything to put anyone at risk, never thought a pprejudicial thought, it is just bullshit. Do you think the Captain never allowed herself to become distracted whiile driving or to drive when she knew she was too tired but only a half hour from home. According to her she has never done anything that would put someone else at increased risk of injury. Maybe, but it doesn't fit my understanding of human kind. It is the same with people who say they have no racial prejudices at all, and can't even comprehend the idea.
1. Note I said knowingly initiate. Huge difference bucko. Yes accidents happen and people can get distracted by things beyond their control. Pounding down several drinks does not fall under that header in my book. 2. I work downtown and commute from the burbs. My drive home from the train station is 10 minutes. I have stayed in a hotel room downtown, sometimes at my own expense, at least a dozen times over the years when I knew I'd be too tired to drive home when working late. It sucks when I do this cause I don't see my kid at all for over 24 hours. Driving while drowsy is just as dangerous as driving while drunk or texting. We have the stats to prove it. On road trips DH and I spell each other and have stopped early many times when we felt tired. When I drive distances alone, the timing is planned specifically so it will be when I'm most awake. Seriously, what is so hard about this? I'm truly stunned you take operating a machine capable of killing others so lightly. Guess I shouldn't be though, if everyone took it seriously we wouldn't have as many auto fatalities as we do, now would we? so never fumbled in the purse for something? never looked down at a map? never dropped something and leaned over to find it? You are the one who said never, not me. No one thinks driving while drunk is okay.. You can say whatever you want about my argument but you cannot quote me saying anything close to that. I do not know you so cant say this about you, but I think most of the people here who say they have perfect standards are full of ----. And I think saying a person "never" does something is saying they have perfect standards.
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