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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 22, 2015 20:24:10 GMT -5
Hickle has no idea if this guy in his fifties has kids at home let alone kid/adult children. I wonder what else Hickle doesn't know about this guy. He cannot be very close to him if he has little knowledge of the drunk's home life and past penalties for 4 DUI convictions.
Before anyone else wastes any more time debating with Hickle, I suggest Hickle find out everything he can about this guy and get back to the posters here.
Because Hickle has me on block/ignore, he does not see my posts. So can someone please quote this post for me. That way Hickle will see it.
Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 20:26:43 GMT -5
Hickle has no idea if this guy in his fifties has kids at home let alone kid/adult children. I wonder what else Hickle doesn't know about this guy. He cannot be very close to him if he has little knowledge of the drunk's home life and past penalties for 4 DUI convictions. Before anyone else wastes any more time debating with Hickle, I suggest Hickle find out everything he can about this guy and get back to the posters here. Because Hickle has me on block/ignore, he does not see my posts. So can someone please quote this post for me. That way Hickle will see it. Thanks. I don't know how you can work with someone and not have an idea of his age. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/yeahright.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 20:32:16 GMT -5
The only thing this guy cares about is he got caught. If he cared about getting another DUI or hurting someone else (including his family) he would have realized 2-3 DUIs ago that he has piss poor judgement when drunk and needs to take other measures to assure it doesn't happen. You know...stuff college kids learn to do...like give their keys to someone else and make other arrangements for rides BEFORE they start drinking and suddenly become invincible. Or, as a few of my friends have done, decided that they cannot drink alcohol at all anymore and just quit entirely. Some people once they start, can't stop. I used to be like that, but two pregnancies changed my body chemistry and now any more than one or two and I'm sick as a dog so I rarely drink anymore. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sick.png)
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 22, 2015 20:33:28 GMT -5
Heh heh. My coworkers thought I was much younger than I was. In fact I was older than my dept head. They didn't even know I was getting a divorce until I asked for a personal day about a month after school started and my principal okayed it and my dept head had a fit until I said I needed to be in court. I rarely brought my personal life to my job. I wish my coworkers had the same courtesy.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 22, 2015 20:43:40 GMT -5
This guy should have lost his license and be in jail by now and much longer than a few years. He is recklessly endangering innocent people. A drunk behind the wheel of a moving vehicle could do the same or more damage than a drunk idiot with a loaded gun shooting it randomly in a crowd. He needs to be taken off the roads asap.
Get drunk all you want but stay the fuck home!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 22, 2015 20:57:43 GMT -5
This guy should have lost his license and be in jail by now and much longer than a few years. He is recklessly endangering innocent people. A drunk behind the wheel of a moving vehicle could do the same or more damage than a drunk idiot with a loaded gun shooting it randomly in a crowd. He needs to be taken off the roads asap. Get drunk all you want but stay the fuck home! Prepare for 20 more pages of debate. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/rolleyes.gif)
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Jun 22, 2015 20:59:49 GMT -5
This guy should have lost his license and be in jail by now and much longer than a few years. He is recklessly endangering innocent people. A drunk behind the wheel of a moving vehicle could do the same or more damage than a drunk idiot with a loaded gun shooting it randomly in a crowd. He needs to be taken off the roads asap. Get drunk all you want but stay the fuck home! Prepare for 20 more pages of debate. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/rolleyes.gif) LOL! I only read page 1 and the last page. I just don't have that kind of attention span so I should be good! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by steff on Jun 22, 2015 21:07:54 GMT -5
And everyone else has shot them down... Someone in another thread on another subject wanted to put a bad guy into a position where he would be murdered, then prosecute the murderers. So create a situation where something illegal is probably going to happen just to get the illegal act to happen and then prosecute those who did what you set them up to do. Maybe a little blowback on that position, but I get I don't know how many criticisms for asking about alternative sentencing for DUI convicts. I don't understand some of the views of this forum and how they are anything close to ethical or merciful. Jesus Christ does not post here, so we have all done something wrong and could benefit from a generous heart. I listed MULTIPLE options other than jail....for 1st or 2nd offenders. Again, by the FIFTH DUI, all bets are off. He's had his chances. What exactly DO YOU think he should get? another slap on the wrist? he's had 4. another chance? He's had 4. Another break & slip thru the system? He's done it 4 times already. At what point would YOU say enough is enough & he should be punished? his 6th? 8th? 15th? There comes a point when enough is enough. If all the breaks he's had already weren't enough to stop him from drinking and driving, then what is? When he kills someone? Where's his accountability?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 21:22:52 GMT -5
eta: I am just repeating things I have said many time before. My view is as clear as I can make it. Thank you to everyone for their answers.
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Post by steff on Jun 22, 2015 21:36:00 GMT -5
eta: I am just repeating things I have said many time before. My view is as clear as I can make it. Thank you to everyone for their answers. So you won't answer at what point you think enough is enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 21:49:57 GMT -5
Before he changed it he had said the second time, which contradicts everything else pretty much...
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Post by steff on Jun 22, 2015 21:51:54 GMT -5
Then the "guy" in question is done. He wasted his 2nd chance long ago. so 7 pages for absolutely no reason.
oooooooooooooooooooooooookay then
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 5:06:24 GMT -5
eta: I am just repeating things I have said many time before. My view is as clear as I can make it. Thank you to everyone for their answers. So you won't answer at what point you think enough is enough. I have at least a dozen times.
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Post by milee on Jun 23, 2015 5:53:58 GMT -5
So you won't answer at what point you think enough is enough. I have at least a dozen times. Is it possible that other posters also feel that they have given answers as well? You have posted that it's sad that nobody wants to give answers on what could/should be done, but IMHO people feel that they have given answers. Sounds more like miscommunication or simple disagreement.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jun 23, 2015 10:27:44 GMT -5
I have at least a dozen times. Is it possible that other posters also feel that they have given answers as well? You have posted that it's sad that nobody wants to give answers on what could/should be done, but IMHO people feel that they have given answers. Sounds more like miscommunication or simple disagreement. Hickle keeps saying he wants to hear answers that are alternatives to jail time. He's said repeatedly "there must be alternatives to jail".
That's why he's ignoring the other 5 pages of posts - he doesn't want to hear the reality of what the guy really deserves at this point.
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Post by swamp on Jun 23, 2015 11:15:36 GMT -5
Retainer: Appear in court, review file, file appropriate motions, talk to DA and judge about a plea and sentence, evaluate the case and see if it's worth hearings and a trial. Advise client on options and possible ramifications of each option. Just because he got arrested doesn't mean he will be convicted. He probably will, but not always. Is there much variance in the results of similar cases? Does the judge or DA care what 2 years in jail will do to a family or the family's finances? I would think them losing his salary for 2 years could mean losing a house or if wife has a low paying job, them having to go on welfare. What are some things you would like to be able to tell judge or DA? If drunk driver could prove sobriety since arrest would that help much? Variance in similar cases: No, not really. 5th time usually puts you in prison.
I only know what the local DA and Judge think about the cases. As far as I can tell, the DA only cares about her image. The Judge does care about the family, but also cares that this guy is a menace on the road.
I would tell the judge that my client got himself into rehab ASAP and is following all aftercare arrangements.
There is an option used around here called interim probation. The guy pleads to a felony. He is released under the supervision of probation for one year. He will be random drug/alcohol tested, mandated to counseling, ordered not to drive, etc. If he follows the requirements for a year, he will get sentenced to 4 more years of probation. If he screws up, he goes to prison.
You can't make someone stop drinking. They have to decide for themselves. If you make the consequences of drinking high enough, some will stop. Some will keep drinking. If they choose to keep drinking, jail is the only option because you eventually run out of options.
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Post by swamp on Jun 23, 2015 11:16:20 GMT -5
Is it possible that other posters also feel that they have given answers as well? You have posted that it's sad that nobody wants to give answers on what could/should be done, but IMHO people feel that they have given answers. Sounds more like miscommunication or simple disagreement. Hickle keeps saying he wants to hear answers that are alternatives to jail time. He's said repeatedly "there must be alternatives to jail".
That's why he's ignoring the other 5 pages of posts - he doesn't want to hear the reality of what the guy really deserves at this point.There are alternatives to jail, but by the time of your 5th DWI conviction, you've been through them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 23, 2015 11:22:54 GMT -5
Hickle keeps saying he wants to hear answers that are alternatives to jail time. He's said repeatedly "there must be alternatives to jail".
That's why he's ignoring the other 5 pages of posts - he doesn't want to hear the reality of what the guy really deserves at this point. There are alternatives to jail, but by the time of your 5th DWI conviction, you've been through them. For all we know, this guy in question may have already done a bit of jail time. We don't know because Hickle knows so little about the guy.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Jun 23, 2015 11:29:23 GMT -5
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Or is conveniently leaving out such details. He thinks we should all be bleeding hearts and "cut the guy a break". He says that jail time will also impact his family/children.
My guess is that the 5 DUI's have already probably impacted them - letting him remain free to do even more damage (or possibly cause a death) - is a better solution? According to Hickle it is.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 23, 2015 11:55:04 GMT -5
. Or is conveniently leaving out such details. He thinks we should all be bleeding hearts and "cut the guy a break". He says that jail time will also impact his family/children.
My guess is that the 5 DUI's have already probably impacted them - letting him remain free to do even more damage (or possibly cause a death) - is a better solution? According to Hickle it is.I can be a 'bleeding heart' depending upon the crime and circumstances and it is the perp's first offense. But that is my limit-first offense. After that, all bets are off, especially if it is the 5th conviction for the same offense. If you haven't learned after your first offense and conviction, in this case a DUI, I doubt you ever will.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 19:22:58 GMT -5
so I talked to the guy today. His divorce became final last week, though they have been separated for year and a half. He goes to court next week for DUI, but isn't worried too much about that as he thinks it is just part of the procedure. He is worried about the court appearance after that because it is about violating parole or probation, (i cant remember which he said). His wife called the police on him for something, but did not press charges. To those who said he was not a good representative for what I suggested, you may be right. I still think the idea of giving DUI drivers the choice of quitting alcohol is worth discussing. Maybe with a more sympathetic person ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 19:26:08 GMT -5
Hickle keeps saying he wants to hear answers that are alternatives to jail time. He's said repeatedly "there must be alternatives to jail".
That's why he's ignoring the other 5 pages of posts - he doesn't want to hear the reality of what the guy really deserves at this point. There are alternatives to jail, but by the time of your 5th DWI conviction, you've been through them. I did not say it well, but mostly I just wanted to discuss the alternative I suggested, quitting drinking and proving it or going to jail.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 1:28:19 GMT -5
Here's the story for one of our repeat DUI offenders with 5 prior DUI's that included crashing into other vehicles while drunk.
Drunk off his ass yet again, 3X the legal limit, ON PROBATION for drunk driving, with a suspended license, GETS IN A CAR and plows into a family, killing two of the people (grandparents) and severely injuring a mom and her baby that are still dealing with strokes and multiple surgeries.
So every time we should just give him the alternative to stop drinking? You don't think the escalating penalties gave him an indicator that he needed to stop? How many second chances to people deserve?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 4:15:37 GMT -5
I feel almost weird that when I drink, I either do it in the comfort of my own home, or I have a friend who will drive me. I refuse to get behind the wheel of a car if I've been drinking. I've stayed on people's very uncomfortable couches if unable to drive. Sailor Jerry's and I have a love/hate relationship. Love to drink him, hate to wake up with him. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) Have a dent in my head from an episode with him. Bastard. Besides, DH can't drive (or walk, for the most part) anymore so we basically stay in all the time anyway. Win/win for me!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 9:44:44 GMT -5
Here's the story for one of our repeat DUI offenders with 5 prior DUI's that included crashing into other vehicles while drunk. Drunk off his ass yet again, 3X the legal limit, ON PROBATION for drunk driving, with a suspended license, GETS IN A CAR and plows into a family, killing two of the people (grandparents) and severely injuring a mom and her baby that are still dealing with strokes and multiple surgeries. So every time we should just give him the alternative to stop drinking? You don't think the escalating penalties gave him an indicator that he needed to stop? How many second chances to people deserve? Maybe a billion times now I have said no. With my proposal if a person drinks he goes to jail. He verifies it at his expense. So with my proposal that would be one time. I do not understand why people do not understand that. This guy was never forced to stop drinking, that is the crux of my proposal. No one drives drunk if they do not drink. No one drives drunk if they are in jail. Those are the only two alternatives of what I am proposing.
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Post by taz157 on Jul 11, 2015 11:46:58 GMT -5
How many times do people have to tell you that you can't force someone to stop doing something until they are ready to do it. The courts have forced people to rehab but many of them relapse.
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Post by milee on Jul 11, 2015 12:52:04 GMT -5
Hickle's plan makes sense for a first time DUI. If the person demonstrates s/he learned the lesson and is sober, sounds very reasonable way to balance the needs of that person and their family with the need to protect the rest of society.
For any DUIs after the first time, though, I think it's important to also convey the message that DUI is a serious issue that is completely, utterly intolerable because it presents such a huge danger to other innocent people. To allow someone to repeatedly drive drunk with no penalty and just test them for sobriety would send the message that it's all OK, just don't drink now. IMHO, by the second DUI, it's NOT OK, not remotely. And harsher penalties need to come into play. Because by the time of a second DUI, the focus of the concern should not be on the drunk driver; the focus needs to be on how do we protect others even if that results in some very high consequences to the repeat offender.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 11, 2015 13:41:02 GMT -5
He doesn't WANT to stop drinking. Period. Jail will stop him from hurting anyone else.
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