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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 18, 2015 3:05:28 GMT -5
time to consider allowing people to carry firearms if they want too...It seems there is to much of this going on..As far as gun controls it has gone to far in my estimation for that to ne effective today...It's estimated that there are over 300 million firearms in the hands of civilens today...My feelings is that is just to hard a number to over come plus the country, right or wrong is gun happy...and it's not going to change. To expect the police to stop these actions before they happen is asking to much of them...they can't be everywhere when these events happen...To be available to be called and hope they arrive to apprehend and stop actions as they are happening..ok..but till they arrive to take charge..it may have to be left to the civilens in the area of the happening. That doesn't mean everyone should have to be a carrier of a weapon. It has to be a voluntary situation but I am thinking a loosening of the ability to get permits to carry...possible pass some exam , safety course...but not make it so hard to get a permit as some states make it today might be the answer. www.courant.com/nation-world/ct-charleston-shooting-20150617-story.html"9 people, including state senator, fatally shot at church in Charleston, S.C"
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 18, 2015 8:28:35 GMT -5
... It has to be a voluntary situation but I am thinking a loosening of the ability to get permits to carry...possible pass some exam , safety course... ... Current state law only grants the ability to carry a concealed handgun after paying the $50 fee and completing a mandated training course. www.guns.com/2015/04/27/south-carolina-house-overwhelmingly-passes-constitutional-carry/ Sounds like you are proposing what is already the current state law.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 18, 2015 8:33:18 GMT -5
time to consider allowing people to carry firearms if they want too...It seems there is to much of this going on..As far as gun controls it has gone to far in my estimation for that to ne effective today...It's estimated that there are over 300 million firearms in the hands of civilens today...My feelings is that is just to hard a number to over come plus the country, right or wrong is gun happy...and it's not going to change. To expect the police to stop these actions before they happen is asking to much of them...they can't be everywhere when these events happen...To be available to be called and hope they arrive to apprehend and stop actions as they are happening..ok..but till they arrive to take charge..it may have to be left to the civilens in the area of the happening. That doesn't mean everyone should have to be a carrier of a weapon. It has to be a voluntary situation but I am thinking a loosening of the ability to get permits to carry...possible pass some exam , safety course...but not make it so hard to get a permit as some states make it today might be the answer. www.courant.com/nation-world/ct-charleston-shooting-20150617-story.html"9 people, including state senator, fatally shot at church in Charleston, S.C"To be honest, I would not expect the members of the Bible study group to be "packing" while in Bible study. Myself, I would never consider carrying a weapon into any house of worship. Is it true he actually sat in the church for an hour before he attacked?
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 18, 2015 8:33:28 GMT -5
... It has to be a voluntary situation but I am thinking a loosening of the ability to get permits to carry...possible pass some exam , safety course... ... Current state law only grants the ability to carry a concealed handgun after paying the $50 fee and completing a mandated training course. www.guns.com/2015/04/27/south-carolina-house-overwhelmingly-passes-constitutional-carry/ Sounds like you are proposing what is already the current state law. Yes, billis. That is, indeed, South Carolina law. I was glad to see it passed, frankly. I does allow the permit to carry but requires training in order to do so. That seems like the right course of action to me.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 18, 2015 8:36:43 GMT -5
time to consider allowing people to carry firearms if they want too...It seems there is to much of this going on..As far as gun controls it has gone to far in my estimation for that to ne effective today...It's estimated that there are over 300 million firearms in the hands of civilens today...My feelings is that is just to hard a number to over come plus the country, right or wrong is gun happy...and it's not going to change. To expect the police to stop these actions before they happen is asking to much of them...they can't be everywhere when these events happen...To be available to be called and hope they arrive to apprehend and stop actions as they are happening..ok..but till they arrive to take charge..it may have to be left to the civilens in the area of the happening. That doesn't mean everyone should have to be a carrier of a weapon. It has to be a voluntary situation but I am thinking a loosening of the ability to get permits to carry...possible pass some exam , safety course...but not make it so hard to get a permit as some states make it today might be the answer. www.courant.com/nation-world/ct-charleston-shooting-20150617-story.html"9 people, including state senator, fatally shot at church in Charleston, S.C"To be honest, I would not expect the members of the Bible study group to be "packing" while in Bible study. Myself, I would never consider carrying a weapon into any house of worship. Is it true he actually sat in the church for an hour before he attacked? That's what's being reported, VB. To my knowledge, he isn't yet in custody but it's being reported he's 21 years old. That would give me to believe they've got to know who this guy is. If they don't, how do they know his age?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 8:42:16 GMT -5
Do we all need more guns, or do we need the ability to institutionalize people that are seriously mentally ill?
These shootings always seem to be people that were known to have mental health issues. Even threatening to kill a judge doesn't get the state to step in and force the person into mental health treatment anymore. The states are trying to avoid taking on these costs. At what price?
It is already easy to get a permit to carry. I'd rather that not be the answer. Maybe it is time to move to Canada.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 18, 2015 8:47:50 GMT -5
I am still more concerned with our own homegrown terrorists than any foreign entity in our country. These homegrown killers have access to us all in the most common places.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 8:51:31 GMT -5
Maybe it is time to move to Canada. They don't have mentally ill people in Canada? They don't have hand guns & automatic weapons in everyone's hands. They also have a better care system for the mentally ill - yanno, socialized medical and all.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 18, 2015 8:55:07 GMT -5
They don't have mentally ill people in Canada? They don't have hand guns & automatic weapons in everyone's hands. They also have a better care system for the mentally ill - yanno, socialized medical and all. Where were you when the Canadian government was attacked a few months ago?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:13:07 GMT -5
@sroo4 Less violent crime in Canada according to the article you linked:
They also have an active, country wide Mental Health support initiative. A far cry from the US 'head in the sand' approach that has been going on since Reagan administration (I think it was that administration that eradicated mental health institutions, but I could be wrong - somewhere around that time frame they started shutting down institutions and changing commitment rules to make it much harder to get people into treatment forcibly)
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 18, 2015 9:18:47 GMT -5
@sroo4 Less violent crime in Canada according to the article you linked: They also have an active, country wide Mental Health support initiative. A far cry from the US 'head in the sand' approach that has been going on since Reagan administration (I think it was that administration that eradicated mental health institutions, but I could be wrong - somewhere around that time frame they started shutting down institutions and changing commitment rules to make it much harder to get people into treatment forcibly) If we backed out the drug gang shootings in the big cities, I think we probably hold up a lot better in the stats. I know that is probably a lame answer, but look at the Baltimore or Chicago shootings. Knock out the grug related shootings, and not nearly as bad.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 18, 2015 9:28:17 GMT -5
@sroo4 Less violent crime in Canada according to the article you linked: They also have an active, country wide Mental Health support initiative. A far cry from the US 'head in the sand' approach that has been going on since Reagan administration (I think it was that administration that eradicated mental health institutions, but I could be wrong - somewhere around that time frame they started shutting down institutions and changing commitment rules to make it much harder to get people into treatment forcibly) It actually started with Kennedy, worked on by Carter, and continued by Reagan. Reagan was credited for defunding some of the programs... but I have to call bullshit on Reagan taking the fall for this. The idea of de-institutionalizing the mentally ill was a recommendation by mental health experts. Funding could have been increased in the last 26 years at any time since Reagan's term came to an end. And yet it hasn't. Why is that? This isn't a partisan issue, it's a priority issue (for everyone in every political party). Deinstitutionalization actually started to take off in the mid-fifties. There was another spike in the mid-sixties (under Kennedy) that concentrated more on those with developmental/learning disabilities. It's been, however, a pretty constant move since the mid-50s. It's slowed down since the 80s because so few institutions still exist.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 9:29:36 GMT -5
@sroo4 I am not making it a partisan issue. It is an issue for this country & has been going on for many years. It has left seriously mentally ill with no pathway to care or containment, not for them or their families that recognize the issues. The courts actively avoid dealing with the issue when it is presented to them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 18, 2015 9:34:40 GMT -5
The FBI identified the shooter as Dylann Roof of Columbia, South Carolina. An uncle of Roof's said he recognised the man in the surveillance photo as his nephew.
A cousin of Pinckney's, Sylvia Johnson, told MSNBC that a survivor of the shooting told her the gunman reloaded five times during the attack. Pinckney tried to talk him out of it, she said.
"He just said, 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country," Johnson said.Police hunt man who killed nine in historic South Carolina black church
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 18, 2015 9:40:37 GMT -5
The FBI identified the shooter as Dylann Roof of Columbia, South Carolina. An uncle of Roof's said he recognised the man in the surveillance photo as his nephew.
A cousin of Pinckney's, Sylvia Johnson, told MSNBC that a survivor of the shooting told her the gunman reloaded five times during the attack. Pinckney tried to talk him out of it, she said.
"He just said, 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country," Johnson said.Police hunt man who killed nine in historic South Carolina black church I just don't understand this. At all.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 18, 2015 9:43:49 GMT -5
The FBI identified the shooter as Dylann Roof of Columbia, South Carolina. An uncle of Roof's said he recognised the man in the surveillance photo as his nephew.
A cousin of Pinckney's, Sylvia Johnson, told MSNBC that a survivor of the shooting told her the gunman reloaded five times during the attack. Pinckney tried to talk him out of it, she said.
"He just said, 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country," Johnson said.Police hunt man who killed nine in historic South Carolina black church I just don't understand this. At all. White Nationalist thoughts. Hate crime is appropriate. He planned this crime ahead of time and even sat in the church for an hour finalizing his crime. Sick.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jun 18, 2015 9:46:39 GMT -5
I agree with VB. Most of these shootings are by gang members. Innocent people occasionally get caught in the gun fire by trying to live ordinary lives. The law abiding citizens in that Baltimore neighborhood are afraid to go out. The police have doubled up in squad cars leaving less to patrol. Gang members walk around with guns showing.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 18, 2015 9:50:18 GMT -5
The FBI identified the shooter as Dylann Roof of Columbia, South Carolina. An uncle of Roof's said he recognised the man in the surveillance photo as his nephew.
A cousin of Pinckney's, Sylvia Johnson, told MSNBC that a survivor of the shooting told her the gunman reloaded five times during the attack. Pinckney tried to talk him out of it, she said.
"He just said, 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country," Johnson said.Police hunt man who killed nine in historic South Carolina black church I just don't understand this. At all. Nobody with the necessary combination of sanity, decency and dignity understands that!
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 18, 2015 9:51:23 GMT -5
The FBI identified the shooter as Dylann Roof of Columbia, South Carolina. An uncle of Roof's said he recognised the man in the surveillance photo as his nephew.
A cousin of Pinckney's, Sylvia Johnson, told MSNBC that a survivor of the shooting told her the gunman reloaded five times during the attack. Pinckney tried to talk him out of it, she said.
"He just said, 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country," Johnson said.Police hunt man who killed nine in historic South Carolina black church I'm glad they've got him! If that's his attitude, he may have been looking for his next victims!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 18, 2015 9:57:01 GMT -5
The FBI identified the shooter as Dylann Roof of Columbia, South Carolina. An uncle of Roof's said he recognised the man in the surveillance photo as his nephew.
A cousin of Pinckney's, Sylvia Johnson, told MSNBC that a survivor of the shooting told her the gunman reloaded five times during the attack. Pinckney tried to talk him out of it, she said.
"He just said, 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country," Johnson said.Police hunt man who killed nine in historic South Carolina black church I'm glad they've got him! If that's his attitude, he may have been looking for his next victims! They got him?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jun 18, 2015 9:59:59 GMT -5
They haven't caught him. His uncle identified him from the video.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 18, 2015 10:00:30 GMT -5
I'm glad they've got him! If that's his attitude, he may have been looking for his next victims! They got him? Ack! Dammit, I misread that! I was so excited to think I'd read they'd captured the jerk! My bad!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 18, 2015 10:02:36 GMT -5
Ack! Dammit, I misread that! I was so excited to think I'd read they'd captured the jerk! My bad! It happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 10:10:52 GMT -5
His eyes look dead like so many of the other mass murdering scum.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 18, 2015 10:20:32 GMT -5
His eyes look dead like so many of the other mass murdering scum.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 18, 2015 10:20:33 GMT -5
They haven't caught him. His uncle identified him from the video. Thanks! That explains how they knew his age. They do actually know who he is!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 10:27:43 GMT -5
They got him.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 18, 2015 10:29:21 GMT -5
Good. He was on the lam in N.C.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 18, 2015 10:34:11 GMT -5
Yay!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 10:43:00 GMT -5
Here again, another crazy that has been in the court system for prior offenses. Why can't they start locking crazy down when they see it? It is like the program is to keep letting them escalate the crazy behavior until they kill someone; then it will be dealt with. Right down to the multi-million dollar legal proceedings. How about we redirect that funding to mandatory treatment programs?
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