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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 9:48:09 GMT -5
Of course I don't have a problem with parents worldwide raising their kids how they want to - or teaching them their values and what's decent or isn't decent (for them).
BUT - since the network that blurred-out that portion of the painting on their evening news is FOX, it's safe to say it was aired on one of FOX's local channels within the USA, so it has nothing to do with other cultures. I assume someone from another culture living in the US & watching TV has a remote-control to change the channel if something that's "culturally offensive" to them appears on TV. Every TV has a remote and every radio has a tuner...so why do we have censorship at all? TV and radio have been massively censored for decades, so why is it all of sudden a shock to some people? It's not a shock at all. Just a put down of a conservative cable channel network by a liberal. I do the same against liberal channels. Let the fun continue!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 9:49:01 GMT -5
So you are thinking their target audience is ignorant prudes?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 9:52:58 GMT -5
Very believable. One culture says its culture thanks for admitting that FOX is outside of our culture. very big of you. I would agree it's outside of your cultural tastes.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 9:58:42 GMT -5
It's the chicken and egg thing for me. Are the people uncomfortable with their deteriorating bodies and looks, and shame the better physical specimens ? Or do they think they look bad because they were shamed by the better lookers ?. Then pass it on to their kids either way. people are responsible for their own feelings. i don't want the state looking out for them. do you? Fox news is a business entity, not a state. They're looking out for their audience/bottom line. I'm a moderate conservative. How much do you think, I want a nanny goverment looking into my affairs ?
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Post by ArchietheDragon on May 19, 2015 10:02:19 GMT -5
I love seeing penises.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 10:06:34 GMT -5
A little obsessed with the boobs being covered are we ? imo, yes. that is precisely it. our attitude toward breasts is approximately where Iran's is, and we don't seem embarrassed by it. The majority so far says keep them covered. Until that changes, your just one more victim of democratic tyranny. Unless you can start a effective grassroots change to these laws requiring certain levels of dress. You are a ineffective minority barking in the wind.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 19, 2015 10:10:39 GMT -5
thanks for admitting that FOX is outside of our culture. very big of you. I would agree it's outside of your cultural tastes. that is not saying anything at all. i unplugged my TV in 1995 because it didn't satisfy me, culturally. i was speaking of our national culture, such as it is.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 10:13:47 GMT -5
I'm curious what the general view is. Did FOX blur the painting because:
a. they (the person or group making the decision) actually considered it pornographic b. their viewers would consider it pornographic c. they don't think their viewers are mature enough to handle seeing it
Personally, I would bet on a combination of all three, with the disrespect for the intelligence of their viewers being higher on the graph than the other two. They probably thought they could sell more commercial time to people who run politically conservative companies.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 19, 2015 10:13:55 GMT -5
imo, yes. that is precisely it. our attitude toward breasts is approximately where Iran's is, and we don't seem embarrassed by it. The majority so far says keep them covered. you sure about that?Until that changes, your just one more victim of democratic tyranny. Unless you can start a effective grassroots change to these laws requiring certain levels of dress. You are a ineffective minority barking in the wind. i am of the belief that most authority is illegitimate. the only reason it exists is that it goes unchallenged. this was never tyranny of the majority, but of a prudish minority. but i also disagree that nudity laws are nearly as solid as your last sentence implies. in fact, i think they are mossy, fetid, archaic, and decaying. the slightest breeze would cause them to all collapse, as they are based on mores of a time long past. the slightest fart would be too much for them.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 19, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -5
I'm curious what the general view is. Did FOX blur the painting because:
a. they (the person or group making the decision) actually considered it pornographic b. their viewers would consider it pornographic c. they don't think their viewers are mature enough to handle seeing it
Personally, I would bet on a combination of all three, with the disrespect for the intelligence of their viewers being higher on the graph than the other two. They probably thought they could sell more commercial time to people who run politically conservative companies. i concur. that is precisely it, imo. they were appealing to their johns, just like any good little whore would.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 19, 2015 10:16:41 GMT -5
people are responsible for their own feelings. i don't want the state looking out for them. do you? Fox news is a business entity, not a state. i wasn't referring to what FOX did, here. i was referring to our laws.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 10:17:31 GMT -5
I would agree it's outside of your cultural tastes. that is not saying anything at all. i unplugged my TV in 1995 because it didn't satisfy me, culturally. i was speaking of our national culture, such as it is. We seem to have a divided culture. IMHO of course. Or at least widely varied tastes in what's considered "art".
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Post by djAdvocate on May 19, 2015 10:19:47 GMT -5
that is not saying anything at all. i unplugged my TV in 1995 because it didn't satisfy me, culturally. i was speaking of our national culture, such as it is. We seem to have a divided culture. IMHO of course. Or at least widely varied tastes in what's considered "art". candidly, i am not sure America has ANY culture, but this seems a bit outside of the discussion to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 10:21:08 GMT -5
They probably thought they could sell more commercial time to people who run politically conservative companies. i concur. that is precisely it, imo. they were appealing to their johns, just like any good little whore would. That applies to any business. Your way of wording it, applies to a business you don't like.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 10:26:35 GMT -5
Picasso is against the law?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 19, 2015 10:54:04 GMT -5
i concur. that is precisely it, imo. they were appealing to their johns, just like any good little whore would. That applies to any business. Your way of wording it, applies to a business you don't like. i beg your pardon? i am a good little whore, as well, bro. my wording applies to EVERY business. you know, if you stop thinking everyone is a hypocrite other than you, we might get along better.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 12:05:39 GMT -5
That applies to any business. Your way of wording it, applies to a business you don't like. i beg your pardon? i am a good little whore, as well, bro. my wording applies to EVERY business. you know, if you stop thinking everyone is a hypocrite other than you, we might get along better. Kind of curious how you are able to know what I'm thinking ? And then make a camaraderie judgment on that basis ? I accept everyone here for what they are. The only person I don't like here is blocked. If I didn't like most of the people here, I would never come here again. As an aside, everybody has some level of hypocrisy present. Will your ego let your own level of hypocrisy be seen ?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 19, 2015 13:51:48 GMT -5
i beg your pardon? i am a good little whore, as well, bro. my wording applies to EVERY business. you know, if you stop thinking everyone is a hypocrite other than you, we might get along better. Kind of curious how you are able to know what I'm thinking ? the same way you "know" what i don't like, D23. but that was a sarcastic remark (thus the winky guy). we get along fine.And then make a camaraderie judgment on that basis ? I accept everyone here for what they are. then accept that i don't exclude myself from any comment i make about business, please. tyia.The only person I don't like here is blocked. If I didn't like most of the people here, I would never come here again. As an aside, everybody has some level of hypocrisy present. Will your ego let your own level of hypocrisy be seen ? i get that a lot, but i have a teeny ego. but i also work very hard to not be a hypocrite. VERY hard. PS- if you want to continue this rather personal discussion, you might at least acknowledge that my statement had nothing to do with whether i like FOX or not. in fact, i admire FOX a great deal. but they are, indeed, little whores. they just happen to be very good at it. the best little whores in the news business, in fact.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 15:17:26 GMT -5
Picasso is against the law? Nope... Just boobies painted by Picasso....
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 15:26:06 GMT -5
If you look at a work of art and your first thought is 'boobies'.., you might be a ....
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 16:20:32 GMT -5
If you look at a work of art and your first thought is 'boobies'.., you might be a .... ... Fox News censor! ETA: sorry... couldn't resist.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 19, 2015 16:39:24 GMT -5
If you look at a work of art and your first thought is 'boobies'.., you might be a .... ... Fox News censor! ETA: sorry... couldn't resist. don't apologize. that was brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 12:14:58 GMT -5
Kind of curious how you are able to know what I'm thinking ? the same way you "know" what i don't like, D23. but that was a sarcastic remark (thus the winky guy). we get along fine.And then make a camaraderie judgment on that basis ? I accept everyone here for what they are. then accept that i don't exclude myself from any comment i make about business, please. tyia.The only person I don't like here is blocked. If I didn't like most of the people here, I would never come here again. As an aside, everybody has some level of hypocrisy present. Will your ego let your own level of hypocrisy be seen ? i get that a lot, but i have a teeny ego. but i also work very hard to not be a hypocrite. VERY hard. PS- if you want to continue this rather personal discussion, you might at least acknowledge that my statement had nothing to do with whether i like FOX or not. in fact, i admire FOX a great deal. but they are, indeed, little whores. they just happen to be very good at it. the best little whores in the news business, in fact. I can acknowledge that your statement had nothing to do with liking FOX. When seeing the word whore being used it just seemed derogatory to me as I would of worded it different. Being that there is no shortage of slamming FOX here. You were inadvertently tossed under the bus with the rest. I guess I'm just tired of the news outlets presenting themselves as a political propaganda service. Regardless of which direction of the slant.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 22, 2015 14:00:34 GMT -5
i get that a lot, but i have a teeny ego. but i also work very hard to not be a hypocrite. VERY hard. PS- if you want to continue this rather personal discussion, you might at least acknowledge that my statement had nothing to do with whether i like FOX or not. in fact, i admire FOX a great deal. but they are, indeed, little whores. they just happen to be very good at it. the best little whores in the news business, in fact. I can acknowledge that your statement had nothing to do with liking FOX. When seeing the word whore being used it just seemed derogatory to me as I would of worded it different. Being that there is no shortage of slamming FOX here. You were inadvertently tossed under the bus with the rest. I guess I'm just tired of the news outlets presenting themselves as a political propaganda service. Regardless of which direction of the slant. thanks. truthfully, i dislike ALL of the MSM. FOX is a better business model than most of them, tho.
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