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Post by Value Buy on May 17, 2015 20:39:54 GMT -5
Un-freaking-believable! It's a piece of art - abstract art at that.
Do you really think a kid is going to look at the painting and their first thought is going to be "Oooh look at the dirty picture with Boobies!" (teehee)
The white in the center of the painting looks like a set of buttocks if you want to see it as a set of buttocks, that is.
Heaven forbid a kid is ever exposed to a picture or replica copy of Michelangelo's "Statue of David" - or other great masterpieces
Can't go corrupting their little minds with culture. There are many people who do not accept this abstract work "art". Some call it crap.
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Post by Opti on May 17, 2015 20:46:49 GMT -5
I'm curious what the general view is. Did FOX blur the painting because:
a. they (the person or group making the decision) actually considered it pornographic b. their viewers would consider it pornographic c. they don't think their viewers are mature enough to handle seeing it
Personally, I would bet on a combination of all three, with the disrespect for the intelligence of their viewers being higher on the graph than the other two. e. They felt enough of their viewers would be upset if the image didn't have blurring, so they blurred portions of it.
I don't see this as that big of a deal because they were playing to their audience and their mission has nothing to do with art appreciation.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on May 17, 2015 20:52:23 GMT -5
And much of abstract art it is crap. But it's still art - and still appeals to some people's tastes. Other abstract art can be quite beautiful.
Being that it's a Picasso painting, and worth a king's ransom, doesn't necessarily mean that everyone has to like it - or that it's good. It's only worth a fortune now because it bears his signature and it's survived for this long.
I don't care for the painting in question simply because it looks like it was painted by someone with limited talent, or stoned out of their mind. But I'm not a fan of any of Picasso's work.
This is an "uncensored" copy of the painting. The 3 sets of blurred-out painted boobs in the televised version don't even look like real boobs in the original - just 2 circles with black dots - and the dots aren't even painted well. Hardly worth going to the trouble of censoring.
I doubt a child watching tv pays attention to any news programs that are on - and even if they saw the painting, I doubt they'd even give it more than a glance - or even think of those circles as breasts.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2015 21:36:06 GMT -5
So what? If those that actually watch FOX as opposed to bitching about it all the time, complained about it being censored, then FOX should listen. For those who just like to bitch but don't actually watch FOX, do you think FOX gives a shit? That's as dumb an idea as the liberal news or FOX giving a shit what I think about them because I think they're all full of shit and crazy ass liars. Notice they don't give a damn what I think, either. Not a whit. As it should be. as one poster pointed out, they put the titties back on the painting. so, the last six sentences here are totally incorrect. they do, in fact, give a shit.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2015 21:36:54 GMT -5
Interesting that a lot of the same posters blasting the news network have also complained that people should change what they do or say for political correctness (or politeness). I'm sure the news networks political affiliation has absolutely nothing to do with their criticisms.
i blast all news networks. the fact that FOX is kind of the poster child for shitty news just makes them a more amusing target.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2015 21:39:22 GMT -5
Un-freaking-believable! It's a piece of art - abstract art at that.
Do you really think a kid is going to look at the painting and their first thought is going to be "Oooh look at the dirty picture with Boobies!" (teehee)
The white in the center of the painting looks like a set of buttocks if you want to see it as a set of buttocks, that is.
Heaven forbid a kid is ever exposed to a picture or replica copy of Michelangelo's "Statue of David" - or other great masterpieces
Can't go corrupting their little minds with culture. There are many people who do not accept this abstract work "art". Some call it crap. very few people who have any qualifications to criticize art would call it "crap". typically, those that do have little or no appreciation or understanding of what they are looking at. i generally shrug such criticism, bourne out of ignorance, off.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2015 21:40:42 GMT -5
And much of abstract art it is crap. But it's still art - and still appeals to some people's tastes. i am not even sure that is the point of most art. mind you, it once was. but now, art is just as likely to be interesting because it provokes a reaction. i think the Picasso piece utterly succeeds at that.
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Post by zibazinski on May 17, 2015 21:45:36 GMT -5
Too bad. I don't like when anyone bows to pressure. If you take a stand-own it.
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Post by tallguy on May 17, 2015 22:13:16 GMT -5
But if some mid-level flunky makes a stupid stand, call him into the office and then back-track it.
I've never had an appreciation for Picasso's work either, but I do like Jackson Pollock. Art is subjective.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 22:17:28 GMT -5
I like some of Picasdo and Pollack. Rothko and Kandinsky and Klimt and Chagall are probably my favorites. But in general I love modern art. The kids not as much, but they bear with me
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Post by Tennesseer on May 17, 2015 22:18:31 GMT -5
I have never had an appreciation forThomas Kincade. Now there is mass-produced crap by a hack.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 22:19:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 22:36:51 GMT -5
I can appreciate good art... Monet, Van Gogh, da Vinci, Rubens, et cetera... I can even appreciate SOME of Picasso's work (" Mother and Child" or " Three Women at the Spring", just for a couple of examples)... but the weird stuff that looks like a 4 year old could have done? Sorry. Can't appreciate that just because Picasso did it. Just simply can't bring myself to appreciate it.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on May 17, 2015 22:46:38 GMT -5
I have never had an appreciation forThomas Kincade. Now there is mass-produced crap by a hack. I'm not a fan of Kinkade either - they're all the same - whimsical old-world cottages and gardens.
Most of his art is mass-reproduced - not only in prints, but in 1000 pc jigsaw puzzles.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 17, 2015 22:51:56 GMT -5
I have never had an appreciation forThomas Kincade. Now there is mass-produced crap by a hack. I need insulin when I see a Kincade painting. All those sugary, flowery cottages...just awful.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 17, 2015 23:05:25 GMT -5
I wonder if FOX has issues with acorns or oranges? They look more like breasts than those in the painting.
"Oh, no! Quick! Blur them out! Kids might get ideas!"
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 23:15:34 GMT -5
I have never had an appreciation forThomas Kincade. Now there is mass-produced crap by a hack. He is a hack. The disgrace he has made of cottage gardens is shameful .
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2015 23:41:50 GMT -5
But if some mid-level flunky makes a stupid stand, call him into the office and then back-track it.
I've never had an appreciation for Picasso's work either, but I do like Jackson Pollock. Art is subjective. neither did i, before i reviewed his pre-cubist period. he is actually a skilled renderer. his bronze work is also quite good, imo. many people don't appreciate primitivism and cubism. but i disagree that it is just subjective. art can be appreciated objectively, as well. TASTES, on the other hand, are indeed entirely subjective.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2015 23:42:17 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2015 23:43:43 GMT -5
I can appreciate good art... Monet, Van Gogh, da Vinci, Rubens, et cetera... I can even appreciate SOME of Picasso's work (" Mother and Child" or " Three Women at the Spring", just for a couple of examples)... but the weird stuff that looks like a 4 year old could have done? Sorry. Can't appreciate that just because Picasso did it. Just simply can't bring myself to appreciate it. it is not easy to appreciate it, but it is quite possible. it starts by not thinking it amateurish. it isn't.
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Post by billisonboard on May 17, 2015 23:46:37 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2015 23:48:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 23:54:36 GMT -5
I can appreciate good art... Monet, Van Gogh, da Vinci, Rubens, et cetera... I can even appreciate SOME of Picasso's work (" Mother and Child" or " Three Women at the Spring", just for a couple of examples)... but the weird stuff that looks like a 4 year old could have done? Sorry. Can't appreciate that just because Picasso did it. Just simply can't bring myself to appreciate it. it is not easy to appreciate it, but it is quite possible. it starts by not thinking it amateurish. it isn't. Amateurish (as in: painted by an amateur): You are right... it wasn't. Amateurish (as in: looks like it was painted by an amateur): You are wrong... it does.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2015 0:02:22 GMT -5
it is not easy to appreciate it, but it is quite possible. it starts by not thinking it amateurish. it isn't. Amateurish (as in: painted by an amateur): You are right... it wasn't. Amateurish (as in: looks like it was painted by an amateur): You are wrong... it does. looks are quite deceiving, in the case of art. people say the same thing about Pollack and Bacon. what they do is quite difficult. that is why their paintings go for $179M. that, and that they are so incredibly influential, of course. but i am not going to argue art with anyone who doesn't have a degree in it, or is not themselves an artist. if you feel like qualifying yourself, we can continue. if not, i have been enjoying your OTHER posts lately. let's not spoil it.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 0:08:03 GMT -5
Funny you should mention "is not themselves an artist"... LOL
I have a few (not an excessive amount, mind you, but a few) oil paintings (all of landscapes) that were sold and hanging in businesses in the Kissimmee / St Cloud area of Florida. I did them in the late 80's. Granted they were more in the "$50-$100 range" in price when I sold them... but still does that count?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 18, 2015 0:17:16 GMT -5
Funny you should mention "is not themselves an artist"... LOL I have a few (not an excessive amount, mind you, but a few) oil paintings (all of landscapes) that were sold and hanging in businesses in the Kissimmee / St Cloud area of Florida. I did them in the late 80's. Granted they were more in the "$50-$100 range" in price when I sold them... but still does that count? hobby or profession?
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Post by Peace Of Mind on May 18, 2015 0:55:43 GMT -5
You want blurry, you should see Japanese porn...and all those ladies (oh, I should stop...Ive been warned about my bad behavior) I really don't get why. They have so much hair there you can't see anything any way. What? I like porn too and it's not my fault it shows up randomly when I google something that has nothing to do with Japanese porn or hairy women!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 1:40:44 GMT -5
Funny you should mention "is not themselves an artist"... LOL I have a few (not an excessive amount, mind you, but a few) oil paintings (all of landscapes) that were sold and hanging in businesses in the Kissimmee / St Cloud area of Florida. I did them in the late 80's. Granted they were more in the "$50-$100 range" in price when I sold them... but still does that count? hobby or profession? Depends on how you define "profession"... some people say it's a profession from the moment you get paid for it (no matter what "it" is). I didn't end up making a living doing it (obviously, since I'm in the motel business, and have been in "guest services" for over 20 years)... and it did start out as a hobby... a couple of the ones I sold were "painted to order"... so... where does the line get crossed?
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Post by weltschmerz on May 18, 2015 5:25:21 GMT -5
hobby or profession? Depends on how you define "profession"... some people say it's a profession from the moment you get paid for it (no matter what "it" is). I didn't end up making a living doing it (obviously, since I'm in the motel business, and have been in "guest services" for over 20 years)... and it did start out as a hobby... a couple of the ones I sold were "painted to order"... so... where does the line get crossed? The Sistine Chapel was "painted to order".
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 5:43:55 GMT -5
Depends on how you define "profession"... some people say it's a profession from the moment you get paid for it (no matter what "it" is). I didn't end up making a living doing it (obviously, since I'm in the motel business, and have been in "guest services" for over 20 years)... and it did start out as a hobby... a couple of the ones I sold were "painted to order"... so... where does the line get crossed? The Sistine Chapel was "painted to order". Very true!
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