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Post by wvugurl26 on Apr 10, 2015 20:58:10 GMT -5
High school and bachelor's absolutely! Master's I skipped. Ceremony was in May and I wasn't finished until August after summer school. Plus I'm very close to grandparents on dad's side. They saw my bachelor's graduation but grandpa died in April a month before the master's graduation would have been. If he'd still been alive I probably would have walked and done the whole hood thing we got for the master's. It would have meant a lot to him.
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Post by Shooby on Apr 10, 2015 20:58:10 GMT -5
Life is not just about what YOU want. And, if mom, dad and grandma want the pleasure of seeing you in a cap and gown, then why wouldn't you? ? If that was directed at me, for sure, we live among people. If parents pay tons for a degree, I could see them having a strong voice in deciding how celebration portions will be handled, like if parents are paying a lot of money for a wedding. If they're not paying a ton though, why have someone be uncomfortable for a celebration, a happy event, if it would make someone jittery and shy? People on the boards say to do what makes people happy for a wedding, don't let family put too much pressure on to do things certain ways if that's not what's wanted. Older sis got a full ride for her degree, and younger sis and I went the CC/transfer/scholarship applications routes, so there wasn't a ton of financial skin in the game for any of us. Dad's fanciest outfit is a white turtleneck with black jeans. They're not formal event people. They figured we could pick how we wanted to celebrate though, and they'd cheer for us in whatever way we wanted. It isnt' directed at you. I didn't even see you on here. It is directed at general YOU. As in, too many people live selfish lives and can't even be bothered to put themselves out for awhile to do anything they don't absolutely want to do anymore.
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Post by milee on Apr 10, 2015 21:00:22 GMT -5
I'm really not sure how all the administrators and school officials survive these ceremonies. Heck, even as a parent watching someone you love, they're boring sheer torture. I can't even imagine being required to be there as part of a job.
There should be a movement to limit all foo foo ceremonies to 30 minutes or less. And the hook should be that if they don't get it done in 30 minutes, your pizza is free.
But then again, I think this about pretty much any ceremony. Including - or especially - weddings, funerals, awards, inaugurations, etc. 30 minutes of sitting in bored silence is plenty of time for loved ones to show they care. Anything more than that and you're just tormenting them for fun. I went to a cheer competition for 2 of my granddaughters. Sat there for several hours waiting for their time up. The woman in front of me started cheering for her kid, and after I told her that I thought her kid was on the same squad as my grandkids. They were and I had just missed them. Even when I know it is their time up, there is so much movement over the floor, I can not keep track of where they are and feel happy if I saw just a part of their routine. I feel your pain. Every single sport the boys have done (except for sailing, which is THE BEST spectator sport as a parent - you're usually either hanging out at a nice yacht club or actively working on a race committee boat having fun) involves countless hours of stultifying boredom for the parents.
The absolute worst one ever, though, was when DS 1 was at a Montessori school and had a wonderful, loving teacher that was so entranced with her students she couldn't understand that others might not be similarly fascinated and enchanted. For one winter performance, she was so sad that each child couldn't have a major part in the play, that they staged the EXACT SAME play multiple times in a row, switching out the actors for each one.
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Post by Shooby on Apr 10, 2015 21:00:50 GMT -5
Because mom and dad and grandma most likely helped support you while you got the degree. And, as boring as it is, many people consider that a wonderful milestone. So, yeah, the feelings of my parents would absolutely be my deciding factor. This is interesting coming from someone who is so violently opposed to sports teams giving out awards for participation. Because that's pretty much what a graduation ceremony (at most public high schools - don't get me started on the endless Middle School Moving Up, Elementary Graduation, etc.) is. Yay! You attended class for 4 years and managed to pass! You're so special that someone is willing to sit for 3 hours on the most uncomfortable seat on the planet for the opportunity to hear your name read and see you walk across a stage for 10 seconds! Yay, you!
I suspect there are many of us out there who feel the whole thing is a pretty awful way to treat our loved ones, it's just not considered PC to say it so they suffer in silence.
I think we should start a movement to end the madness. I supported the heck out of my kids to get their degree and the best possible gift they could give me is not to torture me by making me sit through another lousy ceremony. Let's go celebrate ourselves in a way that's special and meaningful to us instead. Let's actually do something as a family that excites us and that we can enjoy together.
OK? Wow you really get off topic but whatever if you want to turn this into some bashfest. Enjoy. I gave you my opinion. There are things you do in life to please OTHERS. I know that is a foreign concept nowadays as everyone is a VSS now. And, your analogy about the sports trophies has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than trying to stir some imaginary pot. Well, unless they are now just awarding degrees to people who actually didn't do any work and I suppose that is quite possible.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Apr 10, 2015 21:02:41 GMT -5
Milee makes sense to me...is that a bad thing?
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Post by Shooby on Apr 10, 2015 21:03:20 GMT -5
I went to a cheer competition for 2 of my granddaughters. Sat there for several hours waiting for their time up. The woman in front of me started cheering for her kid, and after I told her that I thought her kid was on the same squad as my grandkids. They were and I had just missed them. Even when I know it is their time up, there is so much movement over the floor, I can not keep track of where they are and feel happy if I saw just a part of their routine. I feel your pain. Every single sport the boys have done (except for sailing, which is THE BEST spectator sport as a parent - you're usually either hanging out at a nice yacht club or actively working on a race committee boat having fun) involves countless hours of stultifying boredom for the parents.
The absolute worst one ever, though, was when DS 1 was at a Montessori school and had a wonderful, loving teacher that was so entranced with her students she couldn't understand that others might not be similarly fascinated and enchanted. For one winter performance, she was so sad that each child couldn't have a major part in the play, that they staged the EXACT SAME play multiple times in a row, switching out the actors for each one.
Sorry to hear that. But, I greatly enjoy watching my kids play sports. I can't think of many other things I would rather do than watch DD or DS play a great game of basketball or seeing my oldest son sack the quarterback and get an interception. I rather enjoy my kids. I know that may seem odd.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 21:04:29 GMT -5
I went to a cheer competition for 2 of my granddaughters. Sat there for several hours waiting for their time up. The woman in front of me started cheering for her kid, and after I told her that I thought her kid was on the same squad as my grandkids. They were and I had just missed them. Even when I know it is their time up, there is so much movement over the floor, I can not keep track of where they are and feel happy if I saw just a part of their routine. I feel your pain. Every single sport the boys have done (except for sailing, which is THE BEST spectator sport as a parent - you're usually either hanging out at a nice yacht club or actively working on a race committee boat having fun) involves countless hours of stultifying boredom for the parents.
The absolute worst one ever, though, was when DS 1 was at a Montessori school and had a wonderful, loving teacher that was so entranced with her students she couldn't understand that others might not be similarly fascinated and enchanted. For one winter performance, she was so sad that each child couldn't have a major part in the play, that they staged the EXACT SAME play multiple times in a row, switching out the actors for each one.
You don't feel my pain. I like going to them. I like the girls to know that they and what they do are special enough that I will give my time to support it. I don't know that they really care, but they do know I am there and will always know that. If that sounds snarky, I did not mean it that way.
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Post by Shooby on Apr 10, 2015 21:05:04 GMT -5
On another thread, some posters mentioned that they required their loved ones to attend their college graduation ceremony.
Did you do this or would you do this? Why or why not? But, I don't care what you do. Go or don't go, why should I care? You asked the question so I answered it.
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Post by milee on Apr 10, 2015 21:10:40 GMT -5
Milee makes sense to me...is that a bad thing? No. Come over to the Dark Side. We'll skip the boring ceremonies and do fun stuff.
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Post by milee on Apr 10, 2015 21:14:20 GMT -5
I feel your pain. Every single sport the boys have done (except for sailing, which is THE BEST spectator sport as a parent - you're usually either hanging out at a nice yacht club or actively working on a race committee boat having fun) involves countless hours of stultifying boredom for the parents.
The absolute worst one ever, though, was when DS 1 was at a Montessori school and had a wonderful, loving teacher that was so entranced with her students she couldn't understand that others might not be similarly fascinated and enchanted. For one winter performance, she was so sad that each child couldn't have a major part in the play, that they staged the EXACT SAME play multiple times in a row, switching out the actors for each one.
You don't feel my pain. I like going to them. I like the girls to know that they and what they do are special enough that I will give my time to support it. I don't know that they really care, but they do know I am there and will always know that. If that sounds snarky, I did not mean it that way. It doesn't sound snarky. You - and Shooby and many of the other parents - just have a much longer attention span than I do apparently.
And I also know how much it means to kids to go to their events, so I always go and am supportive whether I enjoy it or not. But honestly - most of the time it's "not." It's not that I don't love my kids, it's that most of the events - especially the ceremonies - are just really torturously boring for me. Guess I'm more like the sister that one poster described - always busy.
I don't think I'm the only one that feels this way, though. I have a few closer friends who are comfy enough to be honest and there are plenty of others who find a lot of this stuff endlessly boring, but it's just not acceptable to say that so they put on a smile and go.
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Post by tractor on Apr 10, 2015 21:24:08 GMT -5
I'm in the "big waste of time" camp. I didn't walk for mine, and we got married on the same day as my wife's graduation so she figured the wedding was more important than walking with a thousand other kids that she didn't know.
I do not expect my kids to go through the ceremony, I'd rather watch grass grow.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Apr 10, 2015 21:24:39 GMT -5
Milee makes sense to me...is that a bad thing? No. Come over to the Dark Side. We'll skip the boring ceremonies and do fun stuff. (I bave two sons, we can make funny balloons for all of us DARK SIDE?? I'm all light and pure...still...conflicted, nothing is ever black and white.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Apr 10, 2015 21:38:42 GMT -5
I can be okay with attending something that isn't a riot and a half but still appreciate it for what it is. If you like going to them, great. If not, also great. But I don't understand the overly aggressive tones on this subject considering all the other polarizing topics that we've discussed.
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Post by KaraBoo on Apr 10, 2015 21:47:44 GMT -5
I WANT my kids to walk - and I will strongly encourage them to - but I will not force them to if they do not want to. I will be there to support them like I have been at every other event through their lives. I will however, do everything in my power to make sure they have that piece of paper that says they "graduated" (either officially or with a GED) to satisfy society's requirements that they are "official". We have one - Rowdy (16 years old) - who is threatening to drop out due to his own poor choices (failing because he refuses to turn in work - not that he isn't capable). I just threaten right back that I WILL drag his butt across that stage if it kills me in the process. I didn't graduate, dropped out, but got my GED. I regret not graduating and walking. I don't want him to have the same regrets. Rowdy's just being contrary. He's like that. If everyone told him the grass is green and the sky is blue, he'll insist the sky is green and the grass is blue, we're all stupid and he's the only one that knows the truth because the rest of us are ignorant. <sigh> Damn kid.
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Post by mmhmm on Apr 10, 2015 21:52:06 GMT -5
Milee makes sense to me...is that a bad thing? No. Come over to the Dark Side. We'll skip the boring ceremonies and do fun stuff. I didn't walk for any of mine. My whole family is well aware I'm not one for pomp and circumstance. Just give me the piece of paper and I'll be on my way. Thanks for the fish!
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Post by milee on Apr 10, 2015 22:03:04 GMT -5
I can be okay with attending something that isn't a riot and a half but still appreciate it for what it is. If you like going to them, great. If not, also great. But I don't understand the overly aggressive tones on this subject considering all the other polarizing topics that we've discussed. Not sure about everybody else, but I sometimes feel a little defensive about the subject of societal pressure forcing parents into watching kids do (insert something which you find incredibly boring) because I feel it's yet another way we judge and put pressure on parents.
Notice the subtones of "well, I actually love my kids, so I totally enjoy watching every single thing they do and find it utterly scintillating. But I guess if you don't care much about yours, go ahead and skip watching them at their 6 hour Cricket practice; just be sure to save up for their therapy in which they'll be describing how they pined for a mom that actually loved them."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 22:14:34 GMT -5
I can be okay with attending something that isn't a riot and a half but still appreciate it for what it is. If you like going to them, great. If not, also great. But I don't understand the overly aggressive tones on this subject considering all the other polarizing topics that we've discussed. Not sure about everybody else, but I sometimes feel a little defensive about the subject of societal pressure forcing parents into watching kids do (insert something which you find incredibly boring) because I feel it's yet another way we judge and put pressure on parents.
Notice the subtones of "well, I actually love my kids, so I totally enjoy watching every single thing they do and find it utterly scintillating. But I guess if you don't care much about yours, go ahead and skip watching them at their 6 hour Cricket practice; just be sure to save up for their therapy in which they'll be describing how they pined for a mom that actually loved them."
You are framing it wrong. They might be boring or tedious, but so is much of life. You are sending a message by attending. Sometimes work is boring or tedious, but you are accomplishing something by doing it. Just think about what you are accomplishing while there, or run sailboat races in your head or whatever. You can daydream about what you want. I didn't even see my grandkids do their thing, but they didn't know that. How many of these things do you attend?
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Post by milee on Apr 10, 2015 22:30:09 GMT -5
Not sure about everybody else, but I sometimes feel a little defensive about the subject of societal pressure forcing parents into watching kids do (insert something which you find incredibly boring) because I feel it's yet another way we judge and put pressure on parents.
Notice the subtones of "well, I actually love my kids, so I totally enjoy watching every single thing they do and find it utterly scintillating. But I guess if you don't care much about yours, go ahead and skip watching them at their 6 hour Cricket practice; just be sure to save up for their therapy in which they'll be describing how they pined for a mom that actually loved them."
You are framing it wrong. They might be boring or tedious, but so is much of life. You are sending a message by attending. Sometimes work is boring or tedious, but you are accomplishing something by doing it. Just think about what you are accomplishing while there, or run sailboat races in your head or whatever. You can daydream about what you want. I didn't even see my grandkids do their thing, but they didn't know that. How many of these things do you attend? Hm. Between watching various kid sport/club/speech practices, driving them to and from school and practices, ceremonies - it's a solid 10 hours a week on the low side and maybe 20 on the high side. That's not including things at home, like discussing homework and all the other regular parenting stuff. It's a lot of time to spend on activities that are as stimulating as watching paint dry. I love my kids, but the sheer amount of grindingly boring things good parents do to support kids is weighing on me. Maybe because I'm getting older and less patient, because as the kids have gotten older, it has gotten less boring.
There definitely are a lot of things in life that are boring, but most of them I have choices about. I can do them or pay someone to do them or even not do them. The kid stuff isn't like that for the most part and frankly, I hate a lot of it. Not the actual time I spend with my kids - I love that. What I hate is the current fad that parents must show their devotion by attending every practice, ceremony, etc. and that those ceremonies and competitions have grown into meaningless, bloated, boring trudges that NOBODY in their right mind enjoys but we all feel compelled to attend.
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Post by milee on Apr 10, 2015 22:39:43 GMT -5
Deleted. Eh, no need to belabor the point.
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Post by KaraBoo on Apr 10, 2015 22:43:55 GMT -5
You are framing it wrong. They might be boring or tedious, but so is much of life. You are sending a message by attending. Sometimes work is boring or tedious, but you are accomplishing something by doing it. Just think about what you are accomplishing while there, or run sailboat races in your head or whatever. You can daydream about what you want. I didn't even see my grandkids do their thing, but they didn't know that. How many of these things do you attend? Hm. Between watching various kid sport/club/speech practices, driving them to and from school and practices, ceremonies - it's a solid 10 hours a week on the low side and maybe 20 on the high side. That's not including things at home, like discussing homework and all the other regular parenting stuff. It's a lot of time to spend on activities that are as stimulating as watching paint dry. I love my kids, but the sheer amount of grindingly boring things good parents do to support kids is weighing on me. Maybe because I'm getting older and less patient, because as the kids have gotten older, it has gotten less boring.
There definitely are a lot of things in life that are boring, but most of them I have choices about. I can do them or pay someone to do them or even not do them. The kid stuff isn't like that for the most part and frankly, I hate a lot of it. Not the actual time I spend with my kids - I love that. What I hate is the current fad that parents must show their devotion by attending every practice, ceremony, etc. and that those ceremonies and competitions have grown into meaningless, bloated, boring trudges that NOBODY in their right mind enjoys but we all feel compelled to attend.
I get it. It DOES get boring and tedious. I found, for myself, the way to combat this is to bring a project along that I'm working on that doesn't require a lot of thought, but doesn't require me to focus 100% on the kids either. Projects like crocheting, needlework, heck, even the grocery list have all been done while waiting on my kids. I'm still present, I can stop and watch my kid at any point (and usually do more than people realize), but I'm also getting my own projects done. I usually don't socialize too much with the other parents, not because I'm being snobby, but because it takes a toll on me. An added benefit, that I don't really think about, but was pointed out to me by another, is by doing this, I'm making other parents feel inferior to me for not only being there for my child, but being miss Susie homemaker as well! Uh....no....I just enjoy my projects more than chatting about the marching band kids being out of step. :-P
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Post by milee on Apr 10, 2015 22:49:54 GMT -5
Karaboo, I agree and love the idea.
I begged the owners of the karate place to put in a line of treadmills, stairmasters and free weights so all us parents could get a little workout in while watching the kids practice. I'd even pay extra for the "gym" use and told them it could be a moneymaker for them. They declined.
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Post by KaraBoo on Apr 10, 2015 22:53:36 GMT -5
Karaboo, I agree I love the idea.
I begged the owners of the karate place to put in a line of treadmills, stairmasters and free weights so all us parents could get a little workout in while watching the kids practice. I'd even pay extra for the "gym" use and told them it could be a moneymaker for them. They declined. OMG! This is an absolutely brilliant idea! I LOVE IT!!! Someone page Dark! This could be his next money maker!!! ETS: okay, maybe not the free weights, but a row of treadmills and stationary bikes would be awesome and probably less worrisome liability wise.
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Post by thyme4change on Apr 10, 2015 23:15:06 GMT -5
I made my husband go to his graduation. It wasn't a tough fight, but he had suggested he skip it. I sacrificed a lot, and I believe that milestones are important. So, I told him that we are going to put on the dumb robe, take all the pictures, go to the painful ceremony, and have a celebratory lunch. I have never regretted my decision. Both of his graduations and my graduation were important events to us. I'm glad we marked them in an undeniable way.
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Post by sparks2710 on Apr 10, 2015 23:17:31 GMT -5
I have a graduation coming up next month. My work was all completely online. My school is 4 hours away. I don't care about participating in the graduation ceremony but considered my family's feelings when filling out the application. My mom is very proud of me and my accomplishment so if she wanted to make the trip I was ok with that. So we are making the trip. Going to get a hotel and check out the sights while we are there. If it was up to me I probably wouldn't go
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 1:36:57 GMT -5
I blew off my college graduation. I got married instead! I completed my courses the semester before anyway so it really didn't mean much to me.
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Post by msventoux on Apr 11, 2015 2:31:12 GMT -5
I finished college in Sept and would have had graduation the prior June didn't seem right when I wasn't done. They put it on a day with a family reunion a couple hundred miles away, I was over 40 and nobody cared including me. People celebrated with me when I passed the CPA exam but graduating college wasn't a big deal. I'm not 40 yet but was a nontraditional student. By the time I graduated I was so over the whole college thing I never went back even though I graduated with honors and was strongly encouraged to attend and participate by several of the instructors. By comparison passing the CPA exam was a much more noteworthy accomplishment for me. I still didn't go all out, but it meant much more to me than finishing college.
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Post by Shooby on Apr 11, 2015 7:43:17 GMT -5
Milee makes sense to me...is that a bad thing? No. Come over to the Dark Side. We'll skip the boring ceremonies and do fun stuff. Soooo, if you think it is meaningless and boring then don't go and don't make your kid go. You asked us what we would do. But, I don't see why you need to paint this as some awful thing to endure. Maybe it is for you. Whatever. I attended my graduation and my parents came and we had a nice dinner and a great time. So, I guess it is all what you make it. And, my parents are dead and I still remember it was like 30 degrees the day I graduated and we were all standing outside in our gowns freezing our bippies off before we got to go in for the ceremony.
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Post by justme on Apr 11, 2015 8:12:11 GMT -5
My parents came to all three and my bro and whoever he was with at the time came to two. I didn't totally care about my masters ceremony - I forget whether my parents told me to do it or I did because practically everyone from our program did. But I incorporated my tassel in the frame of each diploma so I guess I'm glad I went.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Apr 11, 2015 8:13:36 GMT -5
My university had ceremonies twice a year. The big, university-wide and specific school ceremony in May and the smaller, school of whatever only ceremony in February. Since I finished my classes in the Fall semester I walked in February. It was soooo much nicer than the crowded shit show that the main graduation is. I didn't need to see Bill Cosby speak for the millionth time. The ceremony was relatively short, I liked our class speaker (a 60-something woman who finally got her bachelors, I had some classes with her), and since it was Super Bowl weekend 2005, the Eagles fight song broke out. Great memory.
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Post by plugginaway22 on Apr 11, 2015 8:20:45 GMT -5
We are attending 2 graduations in May, my nephew's HS and our DD Master's. The actual ceremonies are never 'FUN', but the family together and celebrating your loved ones is priceless! We have always just 'sucked it up' and attended. So far, no students in our family have decided to NOT walk or attend graduations.
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