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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 3, 2015 11:47:24 GMT -5
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Post by wyouser on Mar 3, 2015 16:11:28 GMT -5
I listened to the address. I do agree with some of his points. first-the current "deal" if closed will see Iran obtain Nukes. This will spark an arms race in the Middle East as non-Shiite nations obtain their own nuclear capacities. Throw in a little Mideast shakiness in governments and we should see many hands with fingers on the buttons. Both government fingers and non government fingers. The last arms race ended without global conflagation when the Soviet Union bankrupted itself and fell apart. The two before that ended with the outbreak of WWI and WWII. Obama has announced today the Netanyahu offers no alternatives to his negotiations. I think he did. He said simply, negotiate a better deal. Of course that was directed at us as Israel cannot negotiate with Iran. That we must lead on or it won't happen. Third- I also saw a very definite clear point when he said Jews were no longer scattered about the world where they can do nothing but be silent. They can , he said, defend themselves, if need be. And alone if necessary. That to me is a very clear comment that Israel has taken no options off the table and will if they feel necessary act on their own.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 3, 2015 16:36:31 GMT -5
Netanyahu could have stayed home and said the same thing.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 3, 2015 17:59:06 GMT -5
... They can , he said, defend themselves, if need be. And alone if necessary. That to me is a very clear comment that Israel has taken no options off the table and will if they feel necessary act on their own. I am getting tired of this "United States, you need to do as we wish." I say to Israel it is time to put up or shut up. You want Iran's nuclear development stopped, do it.
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Post by mroped on Mar 3, 2015 19:01:18 GMT -5
At the present time, Israel wouldn't probably survive as a country very long if the U.S. just declared " you are on your own, we will not get involved!"
Since the inception of the country and more so after the 1967 fiasco, they did nothing but make enemies from all their neighbors. For some reason they realy, truly believe that they are the chosen people.
I wish nothing but well for them but as a country, as a nation they need leaders that know how to make friends and appease differences not push everybody's buttons like Netanyahu is doing.
And why in God's name did he accept an invitation to speak to the Congress coming from the Speaker and not the President?
Didnt listen or read the speech but I just assume that is some propaganda BS as usual
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 3, 2015 20:30:10 GMT -5
Netenyahu made a complete ass of himself in 2002, with his professed knowledge of the state of Iraq's nuclear programme. why on EARTH we should trust him to appraise the state of Iran's is beyond me.
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 3, 2015 20:57:15 GMT -5
Maybe if he loses his election the GOP can find a position for him in 2016 since all I have heard all day is what a great leader he is.
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 3, 2015 21:05:07 GMT -5
I saw an old quote earlier from him on how good for the region regime change in Iraq would be- that worked out well
So same thing, swap the Q for an N- and he will sit back and push us into another war- and no problem- we have plenty of Neocons that would oblige him given the chance.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 3, 2015 21:14:03 GMT -5
like most neoconservatives, he is utterly delusional about his power to create positive change in the ME through military action for anyone other than himself. either that, or he is just a big fat liar. not sure which.
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 3, 2015 22:00:54 GMT -5
I really don't know what to think- other than he had no business doing what he did. And of course it is a typical partisan divide- from he nailed it and why Obama is such a wimp, to it was an offensive and shameless political show.
I do know we don't work for him We will decide what our military and diplomatic options are in the region- and sadly some in congress decided to short circuit the process- in yet another move to throw a turd of disrespect at Obama.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 3, 2015 22:26:15 GMT -5
I really don't know what to think- other than he had no business doing what he did. And of course it is a typical partisan divide- from he nailed it and why Obama is such a wimp, to it was an offensive and shameless political show.
I do know we don't work for him We will decide what our military and diplomatic options are in the region- and sadly some in congress decided to short circuit the process- in yet another move to throw a turd of disrespect at Obama.
Your last sentence.........unfortunately what "we decide" what our military and diplomatic options are in the region, sure affect Israel a lot more than it does us. In this regard, he should have an opinion that should be at least listened to. Obama, for saying he would ignore him today, sure had a hell of a fast response to the speech. You would of thought he was sitting in the empty front row where the Dems should have been sitting. Also very interesting they buried the announcment Petreaus would admit guilt to one count during the speech, in hopes America would not notice it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 3, 2015 22:41:36 GMT -5
I really don't know what to think- other than he had no business doing what he did. And of course it is a typical partisan divide- from he nailed it and why Obama is such a wimp, to it was an offensive and shameless political show.
I do know we don't work for him We will decide what our military and diplomatic options are in the region- and sadly some in congress decided to short circuit the process- in yet another move to throw a turd of disrespect at Obama.
Your last sentence.........unfortunately what "we decide" what our military and diplomatic options are in the region, sure affect Israel a lot more than it does us. In this regard, he should have an opinion that should be at least listened to. Obama, for saying he would ignore him today, sure had a hell of a fast response to the speech. You would of thought he was sitting in the empty front row where the Dems should have been sitting. Also very interesting they buried the announcment Petreaus would admit guilt to one count during the speech, in hopes America would not notice it.What the hell does that mean? Who buried the Petreaus news? I read about it mid-morning or so.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 3, 2015 23:01:01 GMT -5
I really don't know what to think- other than he had no business doing what he did. And of course it is a typical partisan divide- from he nailed it and why Obama is such a wimp, to it was an offensive and shameless political show.
I do know we don't work for him We will decide what our military and diplomatic options are in the region- and sadly some in congress decided to short circuit the process- in yet another move to throw a turd of disrespect at Obama.
Your last sentence.........unfortunately what "we decide" what our military and diplomatic options are in the region, sure affect Israel a lot more than it does us. In this regard, he should have an opinion that should be at least listened to. Obama, for saying he would ignore him today, sure had a hell of a fast response to the speech. You would of thought he was sitting in the empty front row where the Dems should have been sitting. Also very interesting they buried the announcment Petreaus would admit guilt to one count during the speech, in hopes America would not notice it. Speaking of buried: House Leaders Surrender on DHS Funding The House has passed a bill funding the Department of Homeland Security in its entirety through the remainder of the fiscal year, ending with a whimper, not a bang, a weeks-long standoff over House Republicans’ efforts to defund President Obama’s executive amnesty.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 3, 2015 23:03:20 GMT -5
Isn't the House majority republican?
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 3, 2015 23:13:55 GMT -5
Daily show nailed it- this is the State of the Union address the GOP really wanted.
And of course they want back to 1996 when this guy was saying the EXACT SAME THING about Iraq.
Fuck this guy and get out of my country (IMO of course)
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Post by marvholly on Mar 4, 2015 6:25:49 GMT -5
I believe the Prime Minister KNOWS he TOTALLY broke protocol by accepting the Speaker's invite. I think, with Israel's elections so close, that he may be in trouble at home and NEEDED to come on strong to retain power. I also suspect Israel will pay a BIG price for this breach. Not today, not tomorrow but a bit down the road. Arms purchases will become more limited and costly. Other aid severly limited.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 4, 2015 15:08:21 GMT -5
Isn't the House majority republican? I'm not sure who the republicans fight with more, the democrats or themselves. Leadership finally got the TEA party end of the party to shut up and sit down, at least for now.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 4, 2015 15:09:21 GMT -5
I believe the Prime Minister KNOWS he TOTALLY broke protocol by accepting the Speaker's invite. I think, with Israel's elections so close, that he may be in trouble at home and NEEDED to come on strong to retain power. I also suspect Israel will pay a BIG price for this breach. Not today, not tomorrow but a bit down the road. Arms purchases will become more limited and costly. Other aid severly limited. I agree this was inspired by the upcoming elections back at home.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 4, 2015 15:37:18 GMT -5
Bibi or not, I don't think giving nuclear capabilities to countries that think martyrdom is a Really Good Idea is all that smart. It's kind of electing Palin for POTUS, who's just itching for a war to usher in Armageddon and the Second Coming.
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Post by mroped on Mar 4, 2015 15:56:20 GMT -5
Israel will never admit that they have nuclear power. They do because....well we gave them nukes! Is pretty much common knowledge. Iran or whomever else in the region are seeking to develop nuclear power for other purposes not weapons. There is a huge difference between the grades of fuel that is used. Will they try to push their way in if the international comunity allows them to process fuel? Maybe, but that mignt be a risk that we, the rest of the world might have to take.
Who can prove that the Iranians or what not nation is less responsible than say Pakistan or India or China? And why we and the other nations known to be nuclear powers have the right to a nuclear arsenal and a country like Iran or Syria doesn't? Are we realy that much better and more responsible?
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 4, 2015 16:05:51 GMT -5
Israel will never admit that they have nuclear power. They do because....well we gave them nukes! Is pretty much common knowledge. Iran or whomever else in the region are seeking to develop nuclear power for other purposes not weapons. There is a huge difference between the grades of fuel that is used. Will they try to push their way in if the international comunity allows them to process fuel? Maybe, but that mignt be a risk that we, the rest of the world might have to take. Who can prove that the Iranians or what not nation is less responsible than say Pakistan or India or China? And why we and the other nations known to be nuclear powers have the right to a nuclear arsenal and a country like Iran or Syria doesn't? Are we realy that much better and more responsible? Show me the last time an American or Canadian or Hindu or someone from China strapped a bomb on themselves and blew themselves up, taking scores of infidels (aka innocent people) with them?
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Post by Willing Sniper on Mar 4, 2015 16:18:42 GMT -5
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Post by Willing Sniper on Mar 4, 2015 16:22:24 GMT -5
Same crap, new asshole.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 4, 2015 17:12:47 GMT -5
Sorry, but under no circumstance is post 28 either correct, or silly. Very demeaning.
Edited because someone removed an earlier post, thus moving number 29 to 28.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 4, 2015 17:28:47 GMT -5
Israel will never admit that they have nuclear power. They do because....well we gave them nukes! Is pretty much common knowledge. Iran or whomever else in the region are seeking to develop nuclear power for other purposes not weapons. There is a huge difference between the grades of fuel that is used. Will they try to push their way in if the international comunity allows them to process fuel? Maybe, but that mignt be a risk that we, the rest of the world might have to take. Who can prove that the Iranians or what not nation is less responsible than say Pakistan or India or China? And why we and the other nations known to be nuclear powers have the right to a nuclear arsenal and a country like Iran or Syria doesn't? Are we realy that much better and more responsible? Show me the last time an American or Canadian or Hindu or someone from China strapped a bomb on themselves and blew themselves up, taking scores of infidels (aka innocent people) with them? Hmmm. It is truly necessary to be that specific has to how the person committed the killings, the body count, and those killed as "infidels". Americans and Canadians tend to kill people in a little different fashion but have certainly done their share of killing.
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Post by mroped on Mar 4, 2015 17:44:26 GMT -5
Timothy McVeigh comes to mind! I'm not even gonna go into school shootings or what goes in China.
Bad apples are all over.
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