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Post by EVT1 on Mar 4, 2015 22:41:01 GMT -5
Oakridge? Why would that be a target? We already built the weapons and they are in silos and subs- Memphis would be a better target- sorry Tennesseer
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Post by mroped on Mar 4, 2015 23:06:06 GMT -5
The question about allowing other nations to have nuclear power was somewhat hypothetical. On one hand, that is a scenario where everybody is responsible and understands the repercussions of any actions that they might take. In more than one way, an ideal world where nobody acts like or consider themselves better. It sprung out of the fact that I'm more of an idealist! On the other hand I wanted to see how others see it. It has come to my attention through the comments to my post that some of us( no names ) believe or think that some countries/people/nations are superior to others and they can exercise more control on their power and are on the high moral ground. Well, guess what? "All men are created equal" Was that meant just for us or for all? Things have been done, people, innocent people died as a result of the irresponsible actions taken by some. But there plenty of blame to go arround. Remember Newton's law: for any action, there is a reaction! I doubt it that all the killings and blowing up that happened were the idea of an individual that was bored out of his mind!
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Post by mroped on Mar 4, 2015 23:26:04 GMT -5
They wouldn't have to "Use " the weapons to meddle, influence, scare, intimidate..pick the adjective..Just look at North Korea..a backward, psychotic non anything positive country who really dictates many things to Japan, one of the major powerhouse nations..South Korea..also a power house modern country..Ourselves..Why would we even give a rats butt about these people..except..they have the weapon and are very close to a delivery system plus being so broke..temptation to sell a weapon..? Why not..ISIL ...very wealthy right now...price for a small one, untraceable..your saying never happen? We are living in very, very ,very dangerouse times.... You must be kidding about NKorea! Kim Jong Un is not stupid! He's using his so called weapons as a bargaining chip for different things: food, oil etc. He brandishes the weapon and he puts in a request for certain things that he then gets. Easy-peasy! The part that he doesn't seem to get is that we, and other nations, play this game while knowing that there isn't anything he can do. But we feel for the people of his country because they are the ones that suffer. Even if he comes up with a delivery rocket that say could reach the West coast, the U.S. arsenal probably has at any time a lot more than one rocket pointed at NKorea. Not to mention all the Interceptors that would destroy anything before it renters lower atmosphere. The Japanese act all scared because it is easier to make us pile more military personnel and equipment in the area than have to spend themselves the money to do it. They have better things to do with their money like health care and railroads and highways. And ISIS if they wanted a nuke, a dirty one, they would've had it by now assuming that they would come so easily by. Not to mention that the former USSR arsenal would be an easier to acces supplier.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 4, 2015 23:26:26 GMT -5
Oakridge? Why would that be a target? We already built the weapons and they are in silos and subs- Memphis would be a better target- sorry Tennesseer
VB only mentioned Tennessee because I first said Indiana was the nuclear bullseye.
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 4, 2015 23:43:51 GMT -5
They wouldn't have to "Use " the weapons to meddle, influence, scare, intimidate..pick the adjective..Just look at North Korea..a backward, psychotic non anything positive country who really dictates many things to Japan, one of the major powerhouse nations..South Korea..also a power house modern country..Ourselves..Why would we even give a rats butt about these people..except..they have the weapon and are very close to a delivery system plus being so broke..temptation to sell a weapon..? Why not..ISIL ...very wealthy right now...price for a small one, untraceable..your saying never happen? We are living in very, very ,very dangerouse times.... You must be kidding about NKorea! Kim Jong Un is not stupid! He's using his so called weapons as a bargaining chip for different things: food, oil etc. He brandishes the weapon and he puts in a request for certain things that he then gets. Easy-peasy! The part that he doesn't seem to get is that we, and other nations, play this game while knowing that there isn't anything he can do. But we feel for the people of his country because they are the ones that suffer. Even if he comes up with a delivery rocket that say could reach the West coast, the U.S. arsenal probably has at any time a lot more than one rocket pointed at NKorea. Not to mention all the Interceptors that would destroy anything before it renters lower atmosphere. The Japanese act all scared because it is easier to make us pile more military personnel and equipment in the area than have to spend themselves the money to do it. They have better things to do with their money like health care and railroads and highways. And ISIS if they wanted a nuke, a dirty one, they would've had it by now assuming that they would come so easily by. Not to mention that the former USSR arsenal would be an easier to acces supplier. And that is what Iran would do- just a bargaining chip.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 5, 2015 9:29:01 GMT -5
They wouldn't have to "Use " the weapons to meddle, influence, scare, intimidate..pick the adjective..Just look at North Korea..a backward, psychotic non anything positive country who really dictates many things to Japan, one of the major powerhouse nations..South Korea..also a power house modern country..Ourselves..Why would we even give a rats butt about these people..except..they have the weapon and are very close to a delivery system plus being so broke..temptation to sell a weapon..? Why not..ISIL ...very wealthy right now...price for a small one, untraceable..your saying never happen? We are living in very, very ,very dangerouse times.... You must be kidding about NKorea! Kim Jong Un is not stupid! He's using his so called weapons as a bargaining chip for different things: food, oil etc. He brandishes the weapon and he puts in a request for certain things that he then gets. Easy-peasy! The part that he doesn't seem to get is that we, and other nations, play this game while knowing that there isn't anything he can do. But we feel for the people of his country because they are the ones that suffer. Even if he comes up with a delivery rocket that say could reach the West coast, the U.S. arsenal probably has at any time a lot more than one rocket pointed at NKorea. Not to mention all the Interceptors that would destroy anything before it renters lower atmosphere. The Japanese act all scared because it is easier to make us pile more military personnel and equipment in the area than have to spend themselves the money to do it. They have better things to do with their money like health care and railroads and highways. And ISIS if they wanted a nuke, a dirty one, they would've had it by now assuming that they would come so easily by. Not to mention that the former USSR arsenal would be an easier to acces supplier. Nope not kidding but we can agree to disagree.....
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Post by wyouser on Mar 5, 2015 11:03:49 GMT -5
Do a little looking in depth at what we found waiting for us around those landing areas after the Japanese surrendered. We thought Okinawa was bad with Kamakazi's that had to fly all the way from Japan to target us . We hammered them but still many got through. In the case of the homeland, there were thousands and thousands and thousands scattered about within minutes of the landing beaches that we had no idea were there. Each was prepositioned fueled and hidden for a short one way run at the invasion fleet. If we couldn't stop a hundred or so of these at a time coming at our ships with radar warning, what would we have done with 12000 incoming suicide planes with almost no warning? We would have prevailed , but at what cost? Both to us and to the Japanese. Hiroshima and Nagasaki stopped all that.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 5, 2015 11:11:02 GMT -5
Do a little looking in depth at what we found waiting for us around those landing areas after the Japanese surrendered. We thought Okinawa was bad with Kamakazi's that had to fly all the way from Japan to target us . We hammered them but still many got through. In the case of the homeland, there were thousands and thousands and thousands scattered about within minutes of the landing beaches that we had no idea were there. Each was prepositioned fueled and hidden for a short one way run at the invasion fleet. If we couldn't stop a hundred or so of these at a time coming at our ships with radar warning, what would we have done with 12000 incoming suicide planes with almost no warning? We would have prevailed , but at what cost? Both to us and to the Japanese. Hiroshima and Nagasaki stopped all that. Possession and use of atomic weaponry did serve the United States well. It does not surprise me that other national leaders would wish to have that option available to them also.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Mar 5, 2015 11:14:16 GMT -5
You must be kidding about NKorea! Kim Jong Un is not stupid! He's using his so called weapons as a bargaining chip for different things: food, oil etc. He brandishes the weapon and he puts in a request for certain things that he then gets. Easy-peasy! The part that he doesn't seem to get is that we, and other nations, play this game while knowing that there isn't anything he can do. But we feel for the people of his country because they are the ones that suffer. Even if he comes up with a delivery rocket that say could reach the West coast, the U.S. arsenal probably has at any time a lot more than one rocket pointed at NKorea. Not to mention all the Interceptors that would destroy anything before it renters lower atmosphere. The Japanese act all scared because it is easier to make us pile more military personnel and equipment in the area than have to spend themselves the money to do it. They have better things to do with their money like health care and railroads and highways. And ISIS if they wanted a nuke, a dirty one, they would've had it by now assuming that they would come so easily by. Not to mention that the former USSR arsenal would be an easier to acces supplier. And that is what Iran would do- just a bargaining chip.
Iran, yeah, I tend to agree. ISIS/ISIL? Hell no on them using it as a bargaining chip. They manage to get their hands on one, it's going to be used. Against whom is really the question - they hate everyone that's not them.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 5, 2015 13:37:26 GMT -5
Do a little looking in depth at what we found waiting for us around those landing areas after the Japanese surrendered. We thought Okinawa was bad with Kamakazi's that had to fly all the way from Japan to target us . We hammered them but still many got through. In the case of the homeland, there were thousands and thousands and thousands scattered about within minutes of the landing beaches that we had no idea were there. Each was prepositioned fueled and hidden for a short one way run at the invasion fleet. If we couldn't stop a hundred or so of these at a time coming at our ships with radar warning, what would we have done with 12000 incoming suicide planes with almost no warning? We would have prevailed , but at what cost? Both to us and to the Japanese. Hiroshima and Nagasaki stopped all that. I believe that even after the use of the two bombs, people in charge still were not ready to surrender..Only the demand by the Emperor himself , and even there there was a palace revolt to stop the broadcast...only stopped by those loyal to him ...
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Post by Willing Sniper on Mar 8, 2015 11:53:23 GMT -5
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Post by mroped on Mar 8, 2015 12:53:19 GMT -5
Thanks WS! I had a general idea and understanding of the whole process from 1947 to today. Never found something so detailed and explanatory on the subject.
It is sad that what they went through, instead of keeping watch so it doesn't hapen to anyone again, they are doing it onto others themselves.
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Post by Willing Sniper on Mar 8, 2015 12:55:21 GMT -5
Iran wants the bomb as a deterrent. They have suffered and seen how we and our allies conduct ourselves in the region. Also how our golden child 'Israel' treats those it "shares" it's land with. They realize that it will not be long till we come back to get our hands on their reserves of oil.
And just to clarify Iran never said 'they' were going to wipe Israel off the map.
It was the western media outlets that twisted the statement and everyone has run with the misquote from then on.
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Post by Willing Sniper on Mar 8, 2015 12:57:00 GMT -5
Thanks WS! I had a general idea and understanding of the whole process from 1947 to today. Never found something so detailed and explanatory on the subject. It is sad that what they went through, instead of keeping watch so it doesn't hapen to anyone again, they are doing it onto others themselves. It's like a sexually abused child doing it to the neighbors kid. It's sick. But we only get to eat what we are fed in this country.
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Post by Willing Sniper on Mar 8, 2015 13:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by b2r on Mar 8, 2015 13:13:29 GMT -5
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Post by Willing Sniper on Mar 8, 2015 13:54:57 GMT -5
"The destruction of the 'Zionist regime' does not mean the annihilation of the Jewish people in that religion" He's correct.
People hear what they want to hear and what bolsters their already held beliefs.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 11, 2015 20:36:36 GMT -5
The latest from Tehran according to "debka " site...
"« Breaking News » Tehran official: No nuclear deal without removing all sanctions
DEBKAfile March 11, 2015, 5:39 PM (IDT)
Ali Shamkhani, secretary of Iran’s supreme national security council said Wednesday that the only way to reach a nuclear agreement based on mutual interests is the removal of all sanctions on the Islamic Republic. The sanctions are “cruel, illegal and ineffective” he said at a ceremony for deploying a warship in the Caspian Sea." -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Might mean the end of discussions if this is true..especially if Iran is only going to still insist on developing Nuclear for peaceful purposes which means still thousands of centrifuges...also might mean the end of current PM in Iran...a hardliner to take his place...while majority of Iranians want sanctions lifted, better life..the religiouse and hard liners still in full control here...and Iran is very active..Syria, Gaza...possible in cahooks of Hamas taking over the West Bank...assasinating PLO leader, Abbas..the latest rumor, thus round up of 500 Hamas members on West bank..other parts of middle east...feel they don't need a deal...Would be a disappointment to Obama...
If so, I wonder how that would affect the Israeli elections..supposedly labor actually ahead by four points over Likude {Natanyahu party } but then again there it is always who can form best coalition to rule..but Israelis are really ready for a new leader who might improve living conditions of average person..tired of all the security stuff that Bibi seems to bring to the fore all the time...
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 11, 2015 23:24:27 GMT -5
Makes perfect sense they would be working to shift things in that direction since some in this country are pushing so hard to take it in the opposite direction. Ain't negotiations fun.
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