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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Feb 28, 2015 12:55:34 GMT -5
So I'm arrogant and opinionated too because I think this is horrible. Zibazinski, I'm not sure if this is directed at me. I'd have posted my "why does it matter that you're on the school board" post if shooby's statement had been "I'm in the school board and I think the demonstration is fine." My issue is how does being on the school board have anything to do with this conversation on this message board other than to attempt to make those of us not on the school board feel inferior?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 28, 2015 13:01:23 GMT -5
I love theatre. We have this amazing drama teacher in town. She teaches high school, middle school, and she leads a youth theater program (she gives her high school students the opportunity to direct these plays). A couple of years ago she had this amazing group of seniors, many had been with her for over ten years. They wanted to do the play "Chicago" - very adult theme, very challenging production. She honored them with allowing them to do it. The School Board was upset. They just didn't get it.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 28, 2015 13:04:43 GMT -5
Nope, just in general. I wouldn't have allowed CHICAGO, either. It's up to parents to take their minor children to see it or for those out of HS to see it. How do you cut out the raunchy parts and how do you dress HS girls as skanks?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 28, 2015 13:07:42 GMT -5
... how do you dress HS girls as skanks? From their closets.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 28, 2015 13:10:56 GMT -5
Nope, just in general. I wouldn't have allowed CHICAGO, either. It's up to parents to take their minor children to see it or for those out of HS to see it. How do you cut out the raunchy parts and how do you dress HS girls as skanks? Auditions were optional. Acceptance of roles was optional. Performances were done in the evening and no one was required to attend. Why cut out the raunchy parts?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 28, 2015 13:18:40 GMT -5
Nope, just in general. I wouldn't have allowed CHICAGO, either. It's up to parents to take their minor children to see it or for those out of HS to see it. How do you cut out the raunchy parts and how do you dress HS girls as skanks? Auditions were optional. Acceptance of roles was optional. Performances were done in the evening and no one was required to attend. Why cut out the raunchy parts? Cell Block Tango tangos!
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 28, 2015 13:47:50 GMT -5
I'm not explaining it.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 28, 2015 14:46:53 GMT -5
Explain or offer an opinion. My opinion is we infantilize too much in the later stages of high school.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 28, 2015 14:58:04 GMT -5
Okay. I don't think we need to encourage or applaud our daughters looking like sluts. That show could have been done just as well without the women in it dressed like prostitutes in a bordello. No reason for it to be done in sexy underwear except to make the women look like sluts. I like the musical but making those women perform in their underwear wasn't necessary.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 28, 2015 15:00:12 GMT -5
Okay. I don't think we need to encourage or applaud our daughters looking like sluts. That show could have been done just as well without the women in it dressed like prostitutes in a bordello. No reason for it to be done in sexy underwear except to make the women look like sluts. I like the musical but making those women perform in their underwear wasn't necessary. And guess what: in the high school production they didn't dress them that way.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 28, 2015 15:00:32 GMT -5
How do you teach your daughters better when the world around them encourages and applauds their tits and asses hanging out and that the only way they can be successful is to be dressed like streetwalkers.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 28, 2015 15:01:48 GMT -5
Well, bully for your high school. Whatever. leave me alone. Last time I'm asking you.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 28, 2015 15:13:55 GMT -5
I know where foix grah or however it's spelled comes from. I know what they do to the animal involved. It upsets me greatly. I can't even bear to read it on a menu. I'd probably never eat meat myself but more fish. But DH is a meat eater and I'm not making two meals. Some of our better restaurants are refusing to serve fois gras...it's just too cruel.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 28, 2015 15:21:31 GMT -5
This story is weird. Do they normally kill the animals they cook in a culinary class? And a rabbit? What the hell? No, the parents have the right to call 'what the he'll' in this case. I have seen some culinary competitions along the lines of Top Chef, where you DO have to butcher your own chicken or squab. If these kids ever hope to get on TV cooking show, they just may have to do it.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 28, 2015 15:25:54 GMT -5
Well, bully for your high school. Whatever. leave me alone. Last time I'm asking you. I promise to leave you alone. I will, however, continue to comment on any and all messages posted on this message board as I desire within the limits imposed by the COC.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 28, 2015 16:52:36 GMT -5
I wonder if the teacher just get a wild hare up his/her ass and decide to kill and cook it or is this a normal thing done in the class each year? I suspect that it has more to do with what they are trying to teach the students. Butchering an animal (breaking it apart) is a part of culinary school, but most meats you receive already cut up. You generally are not going to get a side of beef, or a whole pig. The students were NOT required to be there, so what's the problem? If it was mandatory, then I could see the problem. But it is not and *some* people actually do hunt their own food. I don't know how to clean an animal, my dad always did it.....but I wish I had paid more attention to him doing it.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 28, 2015 17:00:57 GMT -5
I'm sorry but no way this isn't a stunt. Killing and butchering an animal for consumption is a very specific skill and 99% of people don't have it! There is a reason so many people get sick from food born illnesses. Doing this in a classroom won't be a good way to do anything other than see if he could horrify some kids before they give them ecoli. Unless he finds it fun to kill things and wants to make a few converts. Either way nothing good is planned from this. And before someone says I am anti something DH and his family were farmers and had cattle and hunted. They always ate what they killed but in no way did they ever find it fun. Not quite. My dad killed and cleaned rabbits, deer, turkeys, grouse, chickens and pheasant that he brought home to eat.....and god knows how many fish he's gutted and filleted. Just about every hunter knows how to dress out an animal and people do not get sick from food borne illnesses this way. That's usually not where diseases come from. E. coli infection usually comes from human waste, but if you know how to clean an animal properly, this is not an issue.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 28, 2015 17:22:01 GMT -5
These aren't hunters.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 17:30:26 GMT -5
Well, that got interesting in a hurry, didn't it? For the record, I used to attend a lot of rabbit shows and the entries are divided between fur and meat varieties. Most shows sold plate lunches which usually included a vast variety of rabbit dishes. Properly prepared, rabbit is very mild, tender and yummy. Poorly prepared, it is very dry because bunnies just don't have much fat. That also makes rabbit a very good choice, like bison, for folks seeking a lower-fat protein. And most of the better grocery stores across the Houston area carry a selection of dressed rabbit cuts, from whole on down to the legs. It is unusual for a culinary class to demonstrate the slaughter of an animal but the more comprehensive ones will include segments on breaking down a chicken, beef quarter, 1/2 hog, etc. In a restaurant it's often more economical to purchase whole, half or quartered animals and break them down into the parts you need. Also, a lot of Houston restaurants are embracing the "nose-to-tail" concept where virtually parts of the animal are used in some fashion. One of the hottest things at the moment is beef marrow. About ten years ago a friend gifted me with a field dressed and quartered wild hog which I then had to break down, package and freeze. Let's just say I could have used a class before taking it on. Having no knowledge of a hog's anatomy, I ended up just hacking it into pieces because I couldn't tell if I was working with a fore quarter or a hind. In a very small, cream-colored tile kitchen. At the end you could have shot a Hollywood slash thriller in my kitchen, there was so much blood around. Come to think about it, we ended that friendship not too much later. Well, I am off to prepare my completely dressed, totally pre-packaged, utterly skinless and boneless chicken thighs for dinner.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 28, 2015 17:49:45 GMT -5
Nope this is not acceptable
A high School culinary class should be about:-
Nutrition, Ingredients, Flavours, Textures, herbs/spices, Hygiene, Preparation, Equipment and Cooking
Not living in the wilderness.
You could maybe show them a diagram of a cow........ so they know what cuts to buy for dishes
but butchering an animal is unnecessary....and extreme.
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Post by Tiny on Feb 28, 2015 17:50:31 GMT -5
Nope, just in general. I wouldn't have allowed CHICAGO, either. It's up to parents to take their minor children to see it or for those out of HS to see it. How do you cut out the raunchy parts and how do you dress HS girls as skanks? It sounds like it's the senior class doing the production - so 17/18 year olds. OK, there's probably other HS aged kids involved with the production. I have a feeling the people coming to see the production are mostly bored adults and/or HS kids who know the HS kids working on the production. In otherwords a limited audience.
As far as I can tell... most tweens and older are already exposed to plenty of adult themes and an over abundance of 'flesh' on TV every night at home. I don't think there's much in Chicago that a teenager who's been exposed to most pop culture would find shocking or shameful. But, then I live in a very urban area with 3 million close 'neighbors' so my experience/opinion may not as 'general/average' as I think it is.
Hey, they could always opt to do Shakespeare.... that's rauchy tittilating for the people in the know....
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 28, 2015 18:07:57 GMT -5
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 28, 2015 22:56:38 GMT -5
Nope, just in general. I wouldn't have allowed CHICAGO, either. It's up to parents to take their minor children to see it or for those out of HS to see it. How do you cut out the raunchy parts and how do you dress HS girls as skanks? It sounds like it's the senior class doing the production - so 17/18 year olds. OK, there's probably other HS aged kids involved with the production. I have a feeling the people coming to see the production are mostly bored adults and/or HS kids who know the HS kids working on the production. In otherwords a limited audience.
As far as I can tell... most tweens and older are already exposed to plenty of adult themes and an over abundance of 'flesh' on TV every night at home. I don't think there's much in Chicago that a teenager who's been exposed to most pop culture would find shocking or shameful. But, then I live in a very urban area with 3 million close 'neighbors' so my experience/opinion may not as 'general/average' as I think it is.
Hey, they could always opt to do Shakespeare.... that's rauchy tittilating for the people in the know....
You're right but I sure don't want my daughter thinking it's okay and desirable to act like trash. I think girls that age are still very vulnerable to bad ideas. An older girl takes it differently., hopefully. No reason that jail scene couldn't have been filmed in prison garb but exploitation was the goal.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 28, 2015 23:11:25 GMT -5
I personally don't see a place for that in School. Yes, meat comes from killing animals. But, I don't think that is the role of the School necessarily in this case. I am not a vegetarian. I love beef, chicken, pork, etc. I KNOW where the meat comes from. But, I have personally never hunted or killed an animal in my entire life. So, there is really no reason to do this. I think it would be a much more valuable skill to take a field trip to the grocery store, or even behind the scenes at the local meat market and learn about various cuts of meat, how to prepare them, which cuts are better for which type of dishes, etc. Did you never take Biology and have to dissect a frog or witness one being dissected?
Don't ever visit a cattle ranch - and have to witness the ranchers castrating bulls.
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on Mar 1, 2015 1:28:50 GMT -5
When I was four, we raised and butchered chickens. Raised pheasents, hunted, ect.... I don't raise and butcher anything as an adult, but my six year old knows where meat comes from and that it has to die so we can eat it. I would have no problem for him to learn what this class is teaching in high school. Yes it's yucky bussiness, but we are so out of touch of the old ways and would have a really hard time if we had to learn this stuff on our own for some reason. First world problems I say
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Mar 1, 2015 8:53:57 GMT -5
...:::"I feel like the willful ignorance is part of the reason many people vote with their dollars for animals to live pain filled lives in their own filth for cheaper prices, the better to eat multiple pounds of meat a day.":::...
A fair point, though one always easier for those who have the dollars. It will require a major reprogramming of the American consumer who is used to paying $3.99/lb for chicken breasts. Until all consumers reject the cheaper price, there will always be competitors seeking to claim that segment of the market.
...:::"Anyone can exert their influence in a public school. Being on the school board means representing the people in your school district. It does not mean that a school board member's opinion is more valuable than anyone else's.":::...
In theory, yes everyone should count. In practice, the board member is in the middle of it while the represented people often hear about it after the fact.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 8:57:57 GMT -5
if they want to teach them where food comes from (factory farming) they should watch Food, Inc. in class. The NYT also had an article many years ago entitled 'the high cost of cheap food'.
and yes, I find what this teacher did repulsive and if my child had been forced to see that I would have been the first one in line calling for his firing.
do you also agree with the teacher who was neutering cats in his classroom without anesthesia and calling it a teaching moment?
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 1, 2015 9:53:58 GMT -5
... and yes, I find what this teacher did repulsive and if my child had been forced to see that I would have been the first one in line calling for his firing. ... Who is "this teacher" that you refer to here?
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Mar 1, 2015 9:56:03 GMT -5
Maybe this teaching should go both ways. Lets show teachers documentaries on how education works in other countries, and compare standardized test scores.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 9:57:42 GMT -5
... and yes, I find what this teacher did repulsive and if my child had been forced to see that I would have been the first one in line calling for his firing. ... Who is "this teacher" that you refer to here? the one that butchered the rabbit
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