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Post by muttleynfelix on Feb 16, 2015 15:48:34 GMT -5
The second book I felt actually showed growth in the characters and almost made them likable by the end. The third book took all that growth and threw it away.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 16, 2015 15:56:59 GMT -5
I've only read (and only intend to read), the few samples of the books. What I got from them, which I could be completely wrong about, is that this relationship is psychologically abusive in nature. I saw a brief interview on TV with the author where she claims the book is about love. Granted, when I was a teen, there was an attitude among some girls that controlling = love. I sincerely hope this book/movie isn't going to spread that nonsense. I find the thought scary, actually. Just like "rediculous" and other stupid shit has spread like a virus, I hope that notion doesn't as well. It is downright dangerous.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 16, 2015 16:00:05 GMT -5
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 16, 2015 16:16:18 GMT -5
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 16, 2015 16:17:36 GMT -5
The second book I felt actually showed growth in the characters and almost made them likable by the end. The third book took all that growth and threw it away.
OT but I have noticed that A LOT lately in books that are part of a series. Hunger Games does the exact same thing. In fact by Mockingjay I hardly recognize some of the characters.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 16, 2015 16:18:52 GMT -5
Next they will be telling me that the Lord of the Rings does not accurately represent a real Hobbit/Wizard relationship.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 16, 2015 16:25:53 GMT -5
Next they will be telling me that the Lord of the Rings does not accurately represent a real Hobbit/Wizard relationship. You should get busy writing some fan-fic so you can make sure we all know the truth.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 16, 2015 16:27:01 GMT -5
Next they will be telling me that the Lord of the Rings does not accurately represent a real Hobbit/Wizard relationship. You should get busy writing some fan-fic so you can make sure we all know the truth. I been told I use butt buddy too often in my fan-fic.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 16, 2015 16:27:58 GMT -5
I been told I use butt buddy too often in my fan-fic
I don't see the problem.
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Post by mroped on Feb 16, 2015 16:32:28 GMT -5
So if the books are so bad, why do people keep on buying them! Is this some covert attempt to make it the best selling book of all times? Or maybe is the classic " if you can't beat them...join them!"
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 16, 2015 16:34:54 GMT -5
So if the books are so bad, why do people keep on buying them!
I'd suppose part of it right now is hype, people want to know what the big deal is. This is a book that is fairly polarizing.
I've been known to buy books after hearing people go on and on about them to see what the big deal was. Some I liked, some I didn't. Doesn't matter to the publisher/author they still collect the money.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 16, 2015 16:40:25 GMT -5
So if the books are so bad, why do people keep on buying them! Is this some covert attempt to make it the best selling book of all times? Or maybe is the classic " if you can't beat them...join them!" Because most dudes get their rocks off on porn, but it is too hardcore for women. Porn-light is more their style.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Feb 16, 2015 16:49:54 GMT -5
So if the books are so bad, why do people keep on buying them! Is this some covert attempt to make it the best selling book of all times? Or maybe is the classic " if you can't beat them...join them!" I bought it because I was curious. Well, I read the first one off of the library (ebook addition). I read the second one because I was entertained enough to want to keep reading. I read the third one because i had bought the trilogy (ebook version) and I thought the second one showed improvement. I powered through the last one, but just barely. It just kept getting worse.
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Post by mroped on Feb 16, 2015 16:50:25 GMT -5
Are you implying that women don't watch porn Archie? Or maybe that women have a more vivid imagination and those crapy books fuels it! What? So there is no Kenny G in the background? Ooo! Savages!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 16, 2015 16:51:08 GMT -5
I powered through the last one, but just barely. It just kept getting worse.
I've read a lot of books like that. The entire Wicked series comes to mind.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Feb 16, 2015 16:53:19 GMT -5
Are you implying that women don't watch porn Archie? Or maybe that women have a more vivid imagination and those crapy books fuels it! What? So there is no Kenny G in the background? Ooo! Savages! I am saying that most women don't watch porn.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 16, 2015 17:22:41 GMT -5
Thank you for posting these links. Very informative material. Well worth the read.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 16, 2015 17:41:25 GMT -5
So do I. I knew quite a few men who liked to be tied up and beaten. If follows that it's what all men want. Nothing wrong with BDSM, as long as it's consensual. It can be a lot of fun.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 16, 2015 17:42:42 GMT -5
I just don't think the message is very good
ie You can have all the material wealth you ever dreamed of..... if you let me beat you up a couple of times a week
We all wonder what it would be like to be rolling around in money....but I wonder if people would be so interested if the guy was dirt poor.
I like my heroines to be strong and resourceful....Not weak and blinded by materialism.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 16, 2015 18:03:24 GMT -5
I just don't think the message is very good
ie You can have all the material wealth you ever dreamed of..... if you let me beat you up a couple of times a week
We all wonder what it would be like to be rolling around in money....but I wonder if people would be so interested if the guy was dirt poor.
I like my heroines to be strong and resourceful....Not weak and blinded by materialism. Exactly. That stupid woman completely reinvents herself to please that rich jerk. BDSM can be fun. Picture yourself restrained and blind-folded. You don't know what's coming next. Will it be the slick of an ice cube against your nipples? The slow drip of liquid wax dotting your abdomen? The sting of a bare palm against your buttocks? The anticipation can be exhilarating if you're in the hands of a skilled lover. The idiot Anastasia turns herself inside out and changes her entire personality, because she's blinded by power and wealth. Not a good message.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Feb 16, 2015 18:33:22 GMT -5
I read the books and seem to remember at one point she was sporting a black eye.
Where does the line blur between that and domestic violence?.....or is it ok as long as the guy has a personal jet?
As a teacher of teenagers who are all excited about going to see this film...I'm just wondering how many youngsters are going to see it as normal How many thugs are going to get away with it as long as he is nice the next day...or if there is handcuffs and gaffer tape involved... she is supposed to enjoy it anyway.
Adults in the comfort and privacy of their own surroundings can do what they want....Who cares but to laud this book and its pathetic female character as anything other than stupid....is ridiculous.
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Post by swamp on Feb 16, 2015 18:52:29 GMT -5
Lots of movies are stupid, filled with violence, amd not accurate depictions of real life. Why aren't we getting our panties in a twist over 50 Shades?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 16, 2015 18:55:23 GMT -5
Lots of movies are stupid, filled with violence, amd not accurate depictions of real life. Why aren't we getting our panties in a twist over 50 Shades? I was trying to figure out this myself. It was a stupid book, fluffy mindless reading. There are a ton of books that I read are not very accurate in what they write, and I just consider that it's fiction and a lot of liberty is taken with reality.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 16, 2015 18:58:02 GMT -5
Lots of movies are stupid, filled with violence, amd not accurate depictions of real life. Why aren't we getting our panties in a twist over 50 Shades? it has sex in it and this is America
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 16, 2015 21:47:49 GMT -5
Lots of movies are stupid, filled with violence, amd not accurate depictions of real life. Why aren't we getting our panties in a twist over 50 Shades? I was trying to figure out this myself. It was a stupid book, fluffy mindless reading. There are a ton of books that I read are not very accurate in what they write, and I just consider that it's fiction and a lot of liberty is taken with reality. I shouldn't probably even be talking about this, since I've neither read the books or seen the movie, but...I guess I will anyway! So, what I've gleaned is this is about a f-d up, shitty relationship with an uber-controlling man. Having been through a couple, kind of f-d up, shitty relationships with kind of controlling men, I feel there is a danger in portraying it as normal. (Not talking about the BDSM, because I don't know much about it and really don't care about what kinky sex people may like to have.) The big danger I see is that she "fixes" him. (I think, in the end? I don't know--haven't read it.) She's supposed to try to fix him. She should go screaming the other direction. That is all. (If the book was written better and not glorifiying psychological abuse, I'd check it out. I'm not easily offended.)
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Post by Opti on Feb 16, 2015 22:10:50 GMT -5
I tried to read the book, but it was so badly written I couldn't stomach it and gave up. I read a take off book which was much better written and actually funny so I hope I got the jist of the story. It might have been the 'Earl Grey and Fifty Shames' book or whatever the title was listed in an earlier post.
I agree the relationship is a bad model. I also have a feeling it wouldn't be very popular if he had been poor even just struggling. Got to have the fantasy of marrying into money I think.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 16, 2015 23:12:30 GMT -5
I was trying to figure out this myself. It was a stupid book, fluffy mindless reading. There are a ton of books that I read are not very accurate in what they write, and I just consider that it's fiction and a lot of liberty is taken with reality. I shouldn't probably even be talking about this, since I've neither read the books or seen the movie, but...I guess I will anyway! So, what I've gleaned is this is about a f-d up, shitty relationship with an uber-controlling man. Having been through a couple, kind of f-d up, shitty relationships with kind of controlling men, I feel there is a danger in portraying it as normal. (Not talking about the BDSM, because I don't know much about it and really don't care about what kinky sex people may like to have.) The big danger I see is that she "fixes" him. (I think, in the end? I don't know--haven't read it.) She's supposed to try to fix him. She should go screaming the other direction. That is all. (If the book was written better and not glorifiying psychological abuse, I'd check it out. I'm not easily offended.) The thing is....no one is saying this is a normal relationship. How many books are there about crappy relationships out there? If every one was perfect, there would be no plot. The book is badly written. But to get upset about it because it does not show a 'normal' relationship means that you would be to get upset at a lot of other fiction that's written. No one gets as pissed off at Danielle Steele and her books are as bad.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 17, 2015 8:38:38 GMT -5
I shouldn't probably even be talking about this, since I've neither read the books or seen the movie, but...I guess I will anyway! So, what I've gleaned is this is about a f-d up, shitty relationship with an uber-controlling man. Having been through a couple, kind of f-d up, shitty relationships with kind of controlling men, I feel there is a danger in portraying it as normal. (Not talking about the BDSM, because I don't know much about it and really don't care about what kinky sex people may like to have.) The big danger I see is that she "fixes" him. (I think, in the end? I don't know--haven't read it.) She's supposed to try to fix him. She should go screaming the other direction. That is all. (If the book was written better and not glorifiying psychological abuse, I'd check it out. I'm not easily offended.) The thing is....no one is saying this is a normal relationship. How many books are there about crappy relationships out there? If every one was perfect, there would be no plot. The book is badly written. But to get upset about it because it does not show a 'normal' relationship means that you would be to get upset at a lot of other fiction that's written. No one gets as pissed off at Danielle Steele and her books are as bad. I have no idea--I don't read that shit. I'll get pissed off at Danielle Steele too then. (No wonder why I always stuck with sci-fi.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 8:56:13 GMT -5
Actually, while we here aren't saying its a natural relationship, I do think general public is suggesting this is a sexy appropriate relationship... And that is the issue.
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