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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 12, 2015 8:08:30 GMT -5
It will be especially interesting to follow this story in light of the fact that thanks to Rush, the concept that there is a "narrative" is out there now having been acknowledged, and it is being discussed. The coverage of these kinds of stories is always intriguing because this certainly does NOT fit the narrative. There's nowhere in the narrative to pigeon-hole this one. What's worse (for the purveyors of the narrative) is that it's the exact OPPOSITE of the narrative. If we had more atheists, according to the narrative, we could all light candles and sing along to John Lennon's "Imagine" and world peace would break out. According to the narrative, it's those angry white men clinging to their guns and their Bibles that do this stuff-- left wingers don't execute people with firearms, they don't even OWN firearms. According to the narrative. To familiarize yourself with the concept of the narrative, I invite you to read: www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/02/10/the_news_narrative_is_everywhereYou will get more out of this discussion if you know what you're talking about if and when you decide to respond to this post. OK Paul , thanks for the invite and I did..read the Limbough blurb..first a skim and then a bit deeper...I guess I am a bit dense..I admit it but don't follow your feeling that one needs to read it to get more out of this discussion...concept of the narrative....Possible you can explain it for me, what I am missing.. in your eyes probably one of the less bright ...but please, no more of Rushes links..one was enough...Thank you.. There is no "News" media. There is a liberal / Democratic Party narrative, and there are purveyors, promoters, and readers of the narrative- call it a template if you like. Everything has to fit the narrative. When it doesn't, it is deliberately altered, or ignored. Altered would be like when the narrative reader ran with the story that Gabby Giffords was shot by a TEA Party organizer of the same name- they were so eager for it to be true, they believe so strongly in the narrative, and the have such a strong need for stories to fit their template- they didn't verify the story; they assumed it was true, and reported it. When they discover something doesn't fit the narrative, they change it- as NBC did when they deliberately edited the 911 recordings relating to the Trayvon Martin case to make it about race instead of about a man defending himself against a thug. The New York Times was so eager for that story to be about white-on-black crime, that they invented "White Hispanic"- a term which in spite of the numerous explanations and rationalizations, had never before appeared in a news story- ever.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 12, 2015 9:53:28 GMT -5
Another "Ever" claim bites the dust. George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin February 26, 2012. Why did New York Times call George Zimmerman ‘white Hispanic’? So there blows the above poster's claim. A few posters also believed Hispanic was a race of people like white, black and Asian. Maybe for the uninformed the distinction had to be made.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2015 10:14:08 GMT -5
OK Paul , thanks for the invite and I did..read the Limbough blurb..first a skim and then a bit deeper...I guess I am a bit dense..I admit it but don't follow your feeling that one needs to read it to get more out of this discussion...concept of the narrative....Possible you can explain it for me, what I am missing.. in your eyes probably one of the less bright ...but please, no more of Rushes links..one was enough...Thank you.. There is no "News" media. There is a liberal / Democratic Party narrative, and there are purveyors, promoters, and readers of the narrative- call it a template if you like. Everything has to fit the narrative. When it doesn't, it is deliberately altered, or ignored. Altered would be like when the narrative reader ran with the story that Gabby Giffords was shot by a TEA Party organizer of the same name- they were so eager for it to be true, they believe so strongly in the narrative, and the have such a strong need for stories to fit their template- they didn't verify the story; they assumed it was true, and reported it. When they discover something doesn't fit the narrative, they change it- as NBC did when they deliberately edited the 911 recordings relating to the Trayvon Martin case to make it about race instead of about a man defending himself against a thug. The New York Times was so eager for that story to be about white-on-black crime, that they invented "White Hispanic"- a term which in spite of the numerous explanations and rationalizations, had never before appeared in a news story- ever. Methinks what you are suggesting is a conspiracy is more like poor reporting, poor editing, ...Methinks Rush and followers live for the "conspiracy.."...Actually I think I will change that..followers of Rush live for the conspiracy ...Rush lives for the $ he makes by playing to his followers and the adulation of his admirers... Well that's how I read it...we both are entitled to our opinions....
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2015 10:50:15 GMT -5
Family{s} of slain students asking authorities to investigate the tragedy as a "hate crime.." I can understand that type of call considering the times and happenings around the world and here too...As said earlier..the only good thing to come out of this is that the assailant is still among the living and supposedly cooperating though what that means after his defense council finishes counseling him I don't know how open and cooperative he will be...That is just my thinking on the matter... www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/muslim-students-killed-north-carolina-150212005243633.html
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 12, 2015 11:09:42 GMT -5
OK Paul , thanks for the invite and I did..read the Limbough blurb..first a skim and then a bit deeper...I guess I am a bit dense..I admit it but don't follow your feeling that one needs to read it to get more out of this discussion...concept of the narrative....Possible you can explain it for me, what I am missing.. in your eyes probably one of the less bright ...but please, no more of Rushes links..one was enough...Thank you.. There is no "News" media. There is a liberal / Democratic Party narrative, and there are purveyors, promoters, and readers of the narrative- call it a template if you like. Everything has to fit the narrative. When it doesn't, it is deliberately altered, or ignored.. um...no. there is a corporatist/jingoist narrative, which ALL of the MSM follows. for example, you are never going to hear a critique of capitalism in the MSM in the interests of being "fair and balanced". you are also never going to hear the narrative about the fact that the US is not only not exceptional in terms of foreign policy, but is a serious problem for the rest of the planet in terms of foreign policy. and a thousand other things that are far more subtle than that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 12, 2015 11:12:26 GMT -5
There is no "News" media. There is a liberal / Democratic Party narrative, and there are purveyors, promoters, and readers of the narrative- call it a template if you like. Everything has to fit the narrative. When it doesn't, it is deliberately altered, or ignored. Altered would be like when the narrative reader ran with the story that Gabby Giffords was shot by a TEA Party organizer of the same name- they were so eager for it to be true, they believe so strongly in the narrative, and the have such a strong need for stories to fit their template- they didn't verify the story; they assumed it was true, and reported it. When they discover something doesn't fit the narrative, they change it- as NBC did when they deliberately edited the 911 recordings relating to the Trayvon Martin case to make it about race instead of about a man defending himself against a thug. The New York Times was so eager for that story to be about white-on-black crime, that they invented "White Hispanic"- a term which in spite of the numerous explanations and rationalizations, had never before appeared in a news story- ever. Methinks what you are suggesting is a conspiracy is more like poor reporting, poor editing, ...Methinks Rush and followers live for the "conspiracy.."...Actually I think I will change that..followers of Rush live for the conspiracy ...Rush lives for the $ he makes by playing to his followers and the adulation of his admirers... Well that's how I read it...we both are entitled to our opinions.... Rush is not actually news, nor is most of what Paul posts here. it is a very right wing worldview that sees everything that does not comport with that view as a disease- a scourge that has to be rid of. these folks call themselves defenders of liberty, but in fact, they would love to deprive liberals, homosexuals, women, and minorities of whatever liberties they have fought for and won in the name of "traditional values" in a heartbeat, if they had the power. they are really neo-fascists, and they are indeed a great danger to Democracy, such as it is in the West.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 12, 2015 11:17:22 GMT -5
Another "Ever" claim bites the dust. George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin February 26, 2012. Why did New York Times call George Zimmerman ‘white Hispanic’? So there blows the above poster's claim. A few posters also believed Hispanic was a race of people like white, black and Asian. Maybe for the uninformed the distinction had to be made. precisely. the NYT is actually quite conservative, corporatist, and jingoistic. i can give you another classic example, but it would take some time, patience and detail to cite. when Alberto Gonzales gave attended a debate at GW University, most of the MSM, including the NYT, reported that this was a SPEECH, which, in fact, it turned out to be. AG showed up, gave his opening address, and left without taking comment. the MSM reported on it as if it was a speech. ONLY C-Span and a bunch of left wing blogs stuck around for what happened next, as the staff at GWU eviscerated AG's speech, then went on to discuss warrantless wiretapping. it was actually a beautiful dissection and critique of the government policy at the time, but the NYT and others were not around to hear it, only to give the government's perspective, which was already well known at the time. because of actions like this, warrantless wiretapping is still going on.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2015 11:23:23 GMT -5
Methinks what you are suggesting is a conspiracy is more like poor reporting, poor editing, ...Methinks Rush and followers live for the "conspiracy.."...Actually I think I will change that..followers of Rush live for the conspiracy ...Rush lives for the $ he makes by playing to his followers and the adulation of his admirers... Well that's how I read it...we both are entitled to our opinions.... Rush is not actually news, nor is most of what Paul posts here. it is a very right wing worldview that sees everything that does not comport with that view as a disease- a scourge that has to be rid of. these folks call themselves defenders of liberty, but in fact, they would love to deprive liberals, homosexuals, women, and minorities of whatever liberties they have fought for and won in the name of "traditional values" in a heartbeat, if they had the power. they are really neo-fascists, and they are indeed a great danger to Democracy, such as it is in the West. Very well done and stated...of course that is my opinion of course...
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 12, 2015 12:22:11 GMT -5
In case the poster who claimed 'white hispanic' was never, "ever" used in the news until the Treyvon Martin shooting and does not believe my linked story in reply #32, here is a USA Today article going all the way back to 2007 in which it uses the term 'white hispanic(s): Native American athletes face imposing hurdlesAnd another pre-Trayvon Martin mention of 'white hispanic' from, of all places, the Chicago Tribune, the daily newspaper of the city nicknamed the Windy City! 2 missing 14-year-old girls found safe, return home
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Post by Opti on Feb 12, 2015 12:46:41 GMT -5
I think if you didn't deal with demographics or medical records, you might have missed it. White Hispanic hasn't been a popular descriptor. I found this interesting piece from the census on Hispanics who identify as white.
news.yahoo.com/census-hispanics-fuel-us-white-population-growth-173449405.html
In a twist to notions of race identity, new 2010 census figures show an unexpected reason behind a renewed growth in the U.S. white population: more Hispanics listing themselves as white in the once-a-decade government count.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 12, 2015 12:50:34 GMT -5
I think it was a hate crime and I think we're going to see more of them.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 12, 2015 12:59:45 GMT -5
Really? People die every day. Even in Canada. ?? North Carolina isn't in Canada.
In any case, I saw this news splashed on every single channel yesterday.
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2015 13:15:35 GMT -5
I think it was a hate crime and I think we're going to see more of them. I am thinking at least a combination of the two...parking place dispute and the trios religion being the catalyst... plus having to have a guy with real problems and having a weapon...no control...and now not only the victims friends and family suffering but his own family too...seems he was married,brother and possible other siblings , parents.. not sure about children.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 12, 2015 13:16:41 GMT -5
We had a Christian here who was threatening atheists with beheadings and other death threats, such as blowing people up. He was arrested before he could carry out the threats. It wouldn't surprise me if we haven't heard the last from him, as he was still making threats after his arrests. (See Dennis Markuse)
Every side has its extremists and whack-jobs.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 12, 2015 13:30:28 GMT -5
I'm aware N. Carolina isn't in Canada. Some posters are from and seem to always point out how much better Canada is than the U.S.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 12, 2015 13:35:49 GMT -5
I'm aware N. Carolina isn't in Canada. Some posters are from and seem to always point out how much better Canada is than the U.S. Nobody ever claimed that shootings don't happen in Canada. We have our share of crime. That being said, can you name one US city with a population of 3.8 million which has an annual homicide rate of about 24?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 12, 2015 13:36:48 GMT -5
Nope.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 12, 2015 15:17:04 GMT -5
Holy Pile of Brown Stuff: I read several of those things. Think I need to go out, buy a gun and shoot me some rednecks? Naaaah, guns are too loud. But all kidding aside, does anyone really think these facebook links have anything at all to do with why this guy shot three people over a parking spot?
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 12, 2015 15:59:21 GMT -5
Holy Pile of Brown Stuff: I read several of those things. Think I need to go out, buy a gun and shoot me some rednecks? Naaaah, guns are too loud. But all kidding aside, does anyone really think these facebook links have anything at all to do with why this guy shot three people over a parking spot? Read reply #18 again. You have to read between the lines.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 12, 2015 17:10:13 GMT -5
I wonder if they'll open up two spots in dental school now? wow
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Post by deziloooooo on Feb 12, 2015 17:13:59 GMT -5
I wonder if they'll open up two spots in dental school now? wow agree...Holy Sh*t..........................wow
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 12, 2015 17:16:58 GMT -5
Hey, DD is interviewing for an opening in PA school that opened up due to an unfortunate occurrence. It happens. I just wondered if other schools do that, too.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 12, 2015 17:55:06 GMT -5
I wonder if they'll open up two spots in dental school now? OMG! That's just so .....wrong.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 12, 2015 21:01:21 GMT -5
LOL! the shocked reaction is beautiful. kudos.
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Post by tallguy on Feb 12, 2015 21:27:46 GMT -5
Only good thing about this story is that we are only one trial away from the country being down one more person who was willing to use a gun. Have to admit though, the cost does seem a little excessive. If only someone like this could try the gun out on himself first to make sure it works....
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 12, 2015 22:02:38 GMT -5
There is no "News" media. There is a liberal / Democratic Party narrative, and there are purveyors, promoters, and readers of the narrative- call it a template if you like. Everything has to fit the narrative. When it doesn't, it is deliberately altered, or ignored.. um...no. there is a corporatist/jingoist narrative, which ALL of the MSM follows. for example, you are never going to hear a critique of capitalism in the MSM in the interests of being "fair and balanced". you are also never going to hear the narrative about the fact that the US is not only not exceptional in terms of foreign policy, but is a serious problem for the rest of the planet in terms of foreign policy. and a thousand other things that are far more subtle than that. American exceptionalism refers to our rapid rise which was the result of our first century or so of near total freedom and zero income taxes. No nation has so effectively codified natural law, set loose the human spirit, and achieved so much as the United States. The 5,000 Year Leap is a great book, but it is mostly the story of America. Even to the extent other nations have prospered and achieved much since America was founded, they did so mostly as a result of following the same principles, or because they were directly or indirectly liberated by the United States.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 12, 2015 22:11:37 GMT -5
Methinks what you are suggesting is a conspiracy is more like poor reporting, poor editing, ...Methinks Rush and followers live for the "conspiracy.."...Actually I think I will change that..followers of Rush live for the conspiracy ...Rush lives for the $ he makes by playing to his followers and the adulation of his admirers... Well that's how I read it...we both are entitled to our opinions.... Rush is not actually news, nor is most of what Paul posts here. it is a very right wing worldview that sees everything that does not comport with that view as a disease- a scourge that has to be rid of. these folks call themselves defenders of liberty, but in fact, they would love to deprive liberals, homosexuals, women, and minorities of whatever liberties they have fought for and won in the name of "traditional values" in a heartbeat, if they had the power. they are really neo-fascists, and they are indeed a great danger to Democracy, such as it is in the West. You just posted the narrative. I'm curious, how would abolishing the tax code deprive liberals, homosexuals, women, and minorities of whatever liberties they've fought for and won? How would a classical liberal approach do anything worse to people than welfare, gun control, gpf toilet control, light bulb control, compulsory government run schools with geographic restrictions which give new meaning to "red lining" minorities? The truth, if conservatives would ever fight for it, is that conservatives look at people, see the best in them, and expect better for people than they expect for themselves. The liberals look at people, especially minorities, with contempt. They simply want an ignorant, easy to control population.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 12, 2015 22:15:01 GMT -5
Rush is not actually news, nor is most of what Paul posts here. it is a very right wing worldview that sees everything that does not comport with that view as a disease- a scourge that has to be rid of. these folks call themselves defenders of liberty, but in fact, they would love to deprive liberals, homosexuals, women, and minorities of whatever liberties they have fought for and won in the name of "traditional values" in a heartbeat, if they had the power. they are really neo-fascists, and they are indeed a great danger to Democracy, such as it is in the West. You just posted the narrative. I'm curious, how would abolishing the tax code deprive liberals, homosexuals, women, and minorities of whatever liberties they've fought for and won? How would a classical liberal approach do anything worse to people than welfare, gun control, gpf toilet control, light bulb control, compulsory government run schools with geographic restrictions which give new meaning to "red lining" minorities? The truth, if conservatives would ever fight for it, is that conservatives look at people, see the best in them, and expect better for people than they expect for themselves. The liberals look at people, especially minorities, with contempt. They simply want an ignorant, easy to control population. I'm beginning to suspect that YOU'RE a liberal plant to make conservatives look bad.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 12, 2015 22:22:34 GMT -5
You just posted the narrative. I'm curious, how would abolishing the tax code deprive liberals, homosexuals, women, and minorities of whatever liberties they've fought for and won? How would a classical liberal approach do anything worse to people than welfare, gun control, gpf toilet control, light bulb control, compulsory government run schools with geographic restrictions which give new meaning to "red lining" minorities? The truth, if conservatives would ever fight for it, is that conservatives look at people, see the best in them, and expect better for people than they expect for themselves. The liberals look at people, especially minorities, with contempt. They simply want an ignorant, easy to control population. I'm beginning to suspect that YOU'RE a liberal plant to make conservatives look bad. Don't tell anyone. But I'm part of a conspiracy to take over the world. And then leave everyone the fuck alone.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 12, 2015 22:41:38 GMT -5
I'm beginning to suspect that YOU'RE a liberal plant to make conservatives look bad. Don't tell anyone. But I'm part of a conspiracy to take over the world. And then leave everyone the fuck alone. Sure thing, toots. Conspiracy to take over the world by air horn.
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