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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 9, 2015 18:34:22 GMT -5
From the looks of this chart most of the world has way more generous maternity leave policies than the states. Some even go so far as to extend paid paternity leave to the fathers as well.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/04/maternity-leave-paid-parental-leave-_n_2617284.html
If other countries can function with more generous leave policies then how come the United States can't? What makes us so different from the rest of the developed world?
Well, that's just it!
Metric? "We can't do it." Universal healthcare? "We can't do it." Paid parental leave? "We can't do it."
Why on earth not? Aren't you supposed to be the "greatest country in the world"? Why do you insist on being on par with places like Lesotho, New Guinea and Swaziland?
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 9, 2015 18:45:03 GMT -5
Guys in my group take paternity leave. Not 12 weeks but they do take a couple weeks. My manager is going out on maternity leave soon. I survived last time, I'll survive this time. On the other hand my work load doubled permanently the last time someone left. And we've been under a freeze and everything else so no one has been replaced since I was hired 4.5 years ago. We've lost 50% of our staff in that time. So yeah some of us government people get it. Do the rest of you work a ton of hours to make up being short staffed or do jobs just get pushed back? It's a combination. No one is working 80 hours a week but we are working over. And I would love to have a day off right now but I can't. I haven't been off since November and I worked on some of those days. Eventually the doing more with less is going to bite us. The Congressional requirements keep piling up so something's gotta give.
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 9, 2015 18:47:44 GMT -5
::If other countries can function with more generous leave policies then how come the United States can't? What makes us so different from the rest of the developed world?::
Resources are finite. You can have anything you want, you just can't have everything you want. No different than personal finance. If you want to spend most of your disposable income on your housing, then you can't have an expensive car. If you want to spend a huge chunk of money on policing the world, then you can't spend that same money in other places.
How much money have we spent invading other sovereign nations? How much protecting our "friends" in other nations? How much do we spend on the fact that we have a VERY large nation in terms of area (more schools, more road systems, etc)?
We can have more generous leave policies. We can have universal healthcare. Someone has to pay for it though. You can't just lump more and more things onto a wish list and hope the money fairy will take care of things.
::Why do you insist on being on par with places like Lesotho, New Guinea and Swaziland?::
Which of those places are we "on par" with in terms of military strength? Which are we "on par" with in terms of GDP? Again, no different than personal finance. Bob next door spends all day every day with his kids...why can't we do that? Well because Bob lives in a dirt shack with almost no expenses so he can afford to, meanwhile, my kids have shoes to wear and food to eat.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 9, 2015 18:59:31 GMT -5
::If other countries can function with more generous leave policies then how come the United States can't? What makes us so different from the rest of the developed world?::
Resources are finite. You can have anything you want, you just can't have everything you want. No different than personal finance. If you want to spend most of your disposable income on your housing, then you can't have an expensive car. If you want to spend a huge chunk of money on policing the world, then you can't spend that same money in other places.
How much money have we spent invading other sovereign nations? How much protecting our "friends" in other nations? How much do we spend on the fact that we have a VERY large nation in terms of area (more schools, more road systems, etc)?
We can have more generous leave policies. We can have universal healthcare. Someone has to pay for it though. You can't just lump more and more things onto a wish list and hope the money fairy will take care of things.
::Why do you insist on being on par with places like Lesotho, New Guinea and Swaziland?::
Which of those places are we "on par" with in terms of military strength? Which are we "on par" with in terms of GDP? Again, no different than personal finance. Bob next door spends all day every day with his kids...why can't we do that? Well because Bob lives in a dirt shack with almost no expenses so he can afford to, meanwhile, my kids have shoes to wear and food to eat. Why do you NEED so much military strength? You spend more than the next 8 or 10 countries combined. You need to keep invading sovereign nations, whether they want it or not? Would it kill you to have, maybe more military strength than the next 3 countries combined? Did anyone ask you to be the rogue, bully cops of the planet? At the expense of your own citizens?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2015 19:00:00 GMT -5
Most countries don't just allow anyone to come in and flood their schools, medical facilities, and other resources, either. We support a lot of people who have zero business and right to be here. No one is beating down the borders in those countries.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2015 19:01:47 GMT -5
Um, most of the world including the UK and it's dominions need to remember it's thanks to us they aren't dead or speakng German. Or Japanese.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 9, 2015 19:02:51 GMT -5
Most countries don't just allow anyone to come in and flood their schools, medical facilities, and other resources, either. We support a lot of people who have zero business and right to be here. No one is beating down the borders in those countries. So, put a stop to it. You have all that military strength.
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 9, 2015 19:04:16 GMT -5
::Why do you NEED so much military strength? You spend more than the next 8 or 10 countries combined. You need to keep invading sovereign nations, whether they want it or not?
Would it kill you to have, maybe more military strength than the next 3 countries combined?
Did anyone ask you to be the rogue, bully cops of the planet?::
Who said we needed to? I said you can't simply have everything due to resource constraints. You said we are "on par" with a list of countries. That's like saying Bill Gates is "on par" with my neighbor Joe. They have the same shoe size. You can always find something to compare two completely unequal entities. It all depends on what your priorities are. Nothing is stopping people from going to a country which suits them better. You can have this, you can have that, you just can't have everything under the sun.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 9, 2015 19:05:54 GMT -5
Um, most of the world including the UK and it's dominions need to remember it's thanks to us they aren't dead or speakng German. Or Japanese. Oh, please. It was the US and ALL ITS ALLIES. You didn't come storming in single-handedly to end it. You're going to take credit for that, too?
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 9, 2015 19:07:59 GMT -5
::Why do you NEED so much military strength? You spend more than the next 8 or 10 countries combined. You need to keep invading sovereign nations, whether they want it or not? Would it kill you to have, maybe more military strength than the next 3 countries combined? Did anyone ask you to be the rogue, bully cops of the planet?:: Who said we needed to? I said you can't simply have everything due to resource constraints. You said we are "on par" with a list of countries. That's like saying Bill Gates is "on par" with my neighbor Joe. They have the same shoe size. You can always find something to compare two completely unequal entities. It all depends on what your priorities are. Nothing is stopping people from going to a country which suits them better. You can have this, you can have that, you just can't have everything under the sun. You're kidding, right? Do you have any idea how hard it is to get accepted into most countries in the developed world? Apparently not.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2015 19:07:56 GMT -5
We have politicians who pander to illegals instead of doing the will of the people. The ones who could do something to get decent politicians elected are so beat up trying to stay alive and supporting illegals and dirty corrupt politicians by working their asses off and having their paychecks stolen via taxes to support said politicians and their cronies/illegals, they have no time to picket and fight back. I've always said if you shot people coming across the border, they'd stop. If they couldn't flood the schools and prisons, and welfare depts, there'd be more resources for citizens and their needs.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2015 19:10:06 GMT -5
Um, most of the world including the UK and it's dominions need to remember it's thanks to us they aren't dead or speakng German. Or Japanese. Oh, please. It was the US and ALL ITS ALLIES. You didn't come storming in single-handedly to end it. You're going to take credit for that, too?
The U.S. ended WW1 and they more than did their fair share in WW2. Great Britain would not have survived much longer. After that, it would have just been a matter of time.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 9, 2015 19:13:06 GMT -5
Oh, please. It was the US and ALL ITS ALLIES. You didn't come storming in single-handedly to end it. You're going to take credit for that, too?
The U.S. ended WW1 and they more than did their fair share in WW2. Great Britain would not have survived much longer. After that, it would have just been a matter of time. You didn't even bother to get involved until Pearl Harbour. Then it became personal.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 9, 2015 19:27:39 GMT -5
First, you made a LOT of money.
America certainly deserves credit for its important contribution to the hard-fought victory that was ultimately achieved by the Allies. But the role of corporate America in the war is hardly synthesized by President Roosevelt's claim that the US was the "arsenal of democracy." When Americans landed in Normandy in June 1944 and captured their first German trucks, they discovered that these vehicles were powered by engines produced by American firms such as Ford and General Motors. Corporate America, it turned out, had also been serving as the arsenal of Nazism.
globalresearch.ca/articles/PAU406A.html
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 19:31:13 GMT -5
weltschmerz they are taught American history. It's a little different than what the rest of us are taught.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 9, 2015 19:35:08 GMT -5
weltschmerz they are taught American history. It's a little different than what the rest of us are taught. This is true. Plus, we're getting way off topic.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2015 19:54:40 GMT -5
Trouble is, we support the whole FRICKIN world and then we're overrun with more, and certainly not appreciated. I wish we'd stop ALL aid to other countries and throw out our illegal invaders.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 9, 2015 20:29:51 GMT -5
Trouble is, we support the whole FRICKIN world and then we're overrun with more, and certainly not appreciated. I wish we'd stop ALL aid to other countries and throw out our illegal invaders. Do you, now? You support Canada? France? The UK? Australia? The whole freaking world, you say? How?
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 10, 2015 1:27:14 GMT -5
NAFTA, NAYO, NATO, NATO, ETC
In order to your questions. I don't think of Canada as a country we support, but wencertainlynprovide free defense to the others Free defence? Out of a sense of magnanimity and kindness? Or are you getting something in return?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 10, 2015 6:35:31 GMT -5
Welfare recipients always think they're entitled and somehow taxpayers are getting something for it .
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 10, 2015 13:24:34 GMT -5
weltschmerz they are taught American history. It's a little different than what the rest of us are taught. In your version France was just laying low playing it cool and just about ready to spring their long-laid trap on the Germans when the U.S. came in and ruined the whole thing right...twice? Those French, just the masters of patience in their genius trappings.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 10, 2015 13:27:20 GMT -5
weltschmerz they are taught American history. It's a little different than what the rest of us are taught. In your version France was just laying low playing it cool and just about ready to spring their long-laid trap on the Germans when the U.S. came in and ruined the whole thing right...twice? Those French, just the masters of patience in their genius trappings. +1
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Post by muttleynfelix on Feb 10, 2015 14:04:58 GMT -5
I was just in a meeting 4 men and they didn't like my answer. So they told me to go back to my office and talk to my boss and get back with them. I told my boss and he felt it was a function of me being a female instead of age or my boss needing to make the decision. (I was thinking the same thing, but saying what they said without embellishing or emphasizing anything, he came to the same conclusion).
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Post by siralynn on Feb 10, 2015 16:48:43 GMT -5
I'm curious - how many of the men on this board have been told they need to "smile more in the hallways" as a piece of formal feedback during year-end reviews?
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Feb 10, 2015 17:04:00 GMT -5
I was just in a meeting 4 men and they didn't like my answer. So they told me to go back to my office and talk to my boss and get back with them. I told my boss and he felt it was a function of me being a female instead of age or my boss needing to make the decision. (I was thinking the same thing, but saying what they said without embellishing or emphasizing anything, he came to the same conclusion). I get the whole "can a man give me that answer?" thing a lot too. They get the same answer but they feel better getting it from him. I work in an office in a male dominated industry. That's where you find the women in that area still, mostly in the office. There have been a couple of women here not behind the desks and there were more calls questioning them than I ever got on the guys doing the same job. I've also been laid off due to "lack of hours" at around 6.5 months pregnant. Funny how my replacement got lots of hours though.
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Post by hoops902 on Feb 10, 2015 17:07:08 GMT -5
I'm curious - how many of the men on this board have been told they need to "smile more in the hallways" as a piece of formal feedback during year-end reviews? I am told this most years actually. Never "in the hallways", but "around the office" is usually the phrasing. I've also had comments on my hair style (shaved/buzzed), facial hair (clean shaven would be to my benefit apparently as opposed to serial-killer beard), and clothing choices (yes sneakers are allowed, but those aquamarine AF1s stand out).
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Post by quince on Feb 10, 2015 17:13:21 GMT -5
I'm picturing serial-killer beard and buzzed head...yeah, I can see getting a review that you should smile more. I would think aquamarine AF1s would defuse your subtle air of menace.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Feb 10, 2015 17:15:23 GMT -5
I was just in a meeting 4 men and they didn't like my answer. So they told me to go back to my office and talk to my boss and get back with them. I told my boss and he felt it was a function of me being a female instead of age or my boss needing to make the decision. (I was thinking the same thing, but saying what they said without embellishing or emphasizing anything, he came to the same conclusion). They sound like huge jackwagons. that would get you a serious butt kicking at or before review time around here. That kind of stuff drives me nuts. Proclamation: People, you must ignore and belittle your coworkers not for their gender or color of skin, but for their inability to use logic to solve problems and insistence on petty politics. Sorry to hear about this. I know this is real, and it's absolutely ridiculous. Well they weren't my coworkers - I was the Civil Engineer on a project and the Architect, the owner's representative, and the site superintendent and one other supervisor for the contractor met with me and the owner didn't like my answer and he was the one to tell me to go back and talk to my boss. He hasn't like my answer on this project any time I've answered. The contractor just called and talked to me after checking a few things, my answer was still the same and he was happy with it. I really don't get the condescending BS too often for being an engineer and working with a bunch of men all the time - most of them older than me. Given that I currently work in a good ole boys town, I sort of expected it more than I've gotten in my almost 11 years here. It will be interesting forging new relationships now that I'm moving.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Feb 13, 2015 14:48:31 GMT -5
I just got told to smile midsentence by an old man I had been smiling at in the middle of giving him directions. Sorry, I can't talk and smile enough to suit you and that my pleasant tone and helpful attitude aren't good enough for you.
Other than hoops, the serial killer non smiling beard wearer, how many guys get this crap?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 13, 2015 15:55:20 GMT -5
Someone telling me to smile better make sure they're a quick ducker because I'm not responsible for my hand slapping a dickhead
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