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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 6, 2011 21:41:06 GMT -5
Oh, I thought we were talking about being kept women/men. Silly girl, you don't envy welfare queens - you pity them! that's why I was confused...I thought the OP was talking about being a kept woman..not sure how the welfare queens got brought into the conversation...but I'm easily confused
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Post by ZaireinHD on Mar 6, 2011 21:52:11 GMT -5
exactly I agree. this is the flip side of the situation. the guys I knew would want a girlfriend on assistance so they don't have to pay for housing and a place to stay for a while. they don't have the pressure of having to be somewhere at a specific time. even if working at home or having an on-line business you still have to be responsible.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 6, 2011 21:54:22 GMT -5
"Either my county is just lax or those of you not raised in a welfare community have no idea how bad the abuse really is. " You got out of there tequ... in my estimation, that means the system worked. It allowed you to gain enough food, health care and education to escape that life... isn't that a good thing? So that means the abuse of the system is ok?
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Post by ZaireinHD on Mar 6, 2011 22:10:55 GMT -5
nah MissT I think she means the system has a purpose - use it for the purpose and get out/off the system.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 22:12:55 GMT -5
No. I would love if there was less abuse, and think it should always be a goal to be more efficient.
But my goal in supporting social programs is not to support adults... its to support children. You didn't have a choice... How would you have been helped if your mother had been cut off... do you think she suddenly would have grown a conscious? Do you think she suddenly would have been gainfully employed? Or do you think you would have been hungry?
I'm not trying to be snarky... i'm asking because i'd like to hear from that persepctive... Do you think you as the child in that situation would have been hurt or helped if the programs stopped...
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Post by cronewitch on Mar 7, 2011 0:32:06 GMT -5
Welfare and SSI and even SSDI discourage people to better themselves. On SSI you can't earn money even if you are able to do a little something once in a while the same with the other programs. If you allowed them to work as they could without losing benefits they might not need to work under the table. My cousin is on SSI and has been since he was an adult. He has hemophilia and Hep C and sometimes can't walk. When he has a good day or good week he can do a little bit especially online. He can't own anything except a home and no more than $2K or he loses his safety net. He likes to buy and sell cars and might make a little profit but he can't always walk or drive so he can't do it full time. He can't inherit money or houses. When grandma died she left him a house but he couldn't take it so his parents own it and he goes to collect the rent or find tenants. When his parents die they want to leave him 1/3rd of the family farm. If he were to accept he would lose Medicaid and wouldn't have insurance so he will decline his inheritance again.
If they had the program where he could report his income and not lose Medicaid and have assets he could have built some assets and perhaps he could get off SSI if he didn't lose Medicaid. Maybe reduce SSI a dollar for every 3 earned with the first couple hundred not counted so if a handicapped person could earn 3 hundred a month they wouldn't lose it all and they should be allowed to save it so they can build a future.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 0:43:42 GMT -5
Universal health care would help those people who currently don't work because they can't afford to lose Medicaid...
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Mar 7, 2011 0:53:53 GMT -5
When I was in my teens, 20's and 30's I couldn't imagine not working. When I hit 39 I realized we were in a really good position where I just didn't need to do it any more. I worked for 24 years and got where I hated it. DH liked the idea of me taking care of things at home so we wouldn't both be stressed all the time and he loves his line of work. We've made some really good real estate decisions and I came into an inheritance and things just worked out really well for us. Now I have no intentions of working again if I don't have to. And I can assure you that I never keep my mouth shut, I have always handled the finances, and our retirement is on track. We are both very happy with the decision so far.
I wish for the best to you that would like to stop working one day.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Mar 7, 2011 1:04:49 GMT -5
No. I would love if there was less abuse, and think it should always be a goal to be more efficient. But my goal in supporting social programs is not to support adults... its to support children. You didn't have a choice... How would you have been helped if your mother had been cut off... do you think she suddenly would have grown a conscious? Do you think she suddenly would have been gainfully employed? Or do you think you would have been hungry? I'm not trying to be snarky... i'm asking because i'd like to hear from that persepctive... Do you think you as the child in that situation would have been hurt or helped if the programs stopped... I have to agree with this. It should not be a lifestyle for years on end nor should it be allowed to support generation after generation who just don't want to work, however, it should be there to help those that truly need it and mostly for the children. Starving kids is never the answer no matter the sins of the parents.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 7, 2011 8:26:48 GMT -5
No. I would love if there was less abuse, and think it should always be a goal to be more efficient. But my goal in supporting social programs is not to support adults... its to support children. You didn't have a choice... How would you have been helped if your mother had been cut off... do you think she suddenly would have grown a conscious? Do you think she suddenly would have been gainfully employed? Or do you think you would have been hungry? I'm not trying to be snarky... i'm asking because i'd like to hear from that persepctive... Do you think you as the child in that situation would have been hurt or helped if the programs stopped... I dont' have an answer...all I know is that I hear lots of people saying that welfare queens don't exist, they never see them, etc...I can tell you I lived amongst them for 10 years and it is its own culture...I do agree that children shouldn't suffer...but I hate to tell you, a lot of the children DO suffer being raised in that environment. I don't have any answers, but just wanted to share my experience for those of you that don't believe that the welfare queen culture actually exists.
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Post by MN-Investor on Mar 7, 2011 9:30:24 GMT -5
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Mar 7, 2011 9:48:36 GMT -5
Can I just say that this is the one of the stupidest things I've seen on YM in a long time. I haven't been working for 3 yrs and not only I make all the financial decisions in our family, I can't think of any decision that wasn't made by both, my DH and I Lena
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 9:55:28 GMT -5
Can I just say that this is the one of the stupidest things I've seen on YM in a long time. I haven't been working in 3 yrs and not only I make all the financial decisions in our family, I can't think of any decision that wasn't made by both, my DH and II love you Lena!!!
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Post by jospaced on Mar 7, 2011 10:01:31 GMT -5
My personal take is that I could never allow my fate to be put in another's hands. Therefore, I have to haul my ass out of bed at 5:30 a.m. every morning like it or not. As far as being a welfare queen, my own values wouldn't allow me to do that. I firmly believe that everyone should take responsibility for themselves and contribute to the extent they are able.
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Post by tea4me on Mar 7, 2011 10:37:04 GMT -5
Sometimes the stress of the daily grind is what gets to me.
Last night I determined Facebook is what causes this envy and resentment. My friends post things about getting massages and chiropractor adjustments and topping it off by getting their hair done. I also see things about two hour workouts or bags full of new makeup and brushes. A welfare mama I know is shopping for new furniture. I know their situations . . . .
Due to my career, I have been working seven days a week. So yes, I yearn for days like my friends have.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 10:39:01 GMT -5
Due to my career, I have been working seven days a week. So yes, I yearn for days like my friends have.
Equality is a bitch, ain't it?
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Post by swamp on Mar 7, 2011 10:40:07 GMT -5
Do you really think your friends are going to post that their credit cards are maxed out, they're behind on the mortgage, or that they had to ask their parents for a loan on FB?!
The welfare mamma is probably shopping at the Rent to Own Place and can have the furniture repo'd if she misses a payment.
Not everyone's life is sunshine and roses, and yours doesn't suck completely. Appreciate what you've got and you'll be happier. You posted on another thread you spend a lot of money on clothes and hair. Maybe they're envious of that.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 10:41:54 GMT -5
Not everyone's life is sunshine and roses, and yours doesn't suck completely. Appreciate what you've got and you'll be happier. You posted on another thread you spend a lot of money on clothes and hair. Maybe they're envious of that.
Sheesh, women are so catty.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 7, 2011 10:44:27 GMT -5
Sometimes the stress of the daily grind is what gets to me. Last night I determined Facebook is what causes this envy and resentment. My friends post things about getting massages and chiropractor adjustments and topping it off by getting their hair done. I also see things about two hour workouts or bags full of new makeup and brushes. A welfare mama I know is shopping for new furniture. I know their situations . . . . Due to my career, I have been working seven days a week. So yes, I yearn for days like my friends have. You are in public accounting, right? This time of year sucks donkey balls (I'm also in public accounting)....maybe it is time to find a less stressful job. I've been in public accounting 16 years but this season has pushed me to actually consider finding something less stressful.
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Post by tea4me on Mar 7, 2011 11:10:39 GMT -5
I live in WI where our governor is cutting back on EVERYTHING. The other day one of my friends posted "Thanks to Governor Walker I might have to get a job." She has been going to school for the past three years. I suggested maybe she work AND go to school.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 11:16:00 GMT -5
I live in WI where our governor is cutting back on EVERYTHING. The other day one of my friends posted "Thanks to Governor Walker I might have to get a job." She has been going to school for the past three years. I suggested maybe she work AND go to school. Isn't it a laugh riot how pathetically pusillanimous the US population has become. Work and go to school, oh the inhumanity of it all....
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 7, 2011 11:18:01 GMT -5
I live in WI where our governor is cutting back on EVERYTHING. The other day one of my friends posted "Thanks to Governor Walker I might have to get a job." She has been going to school for the past three years. I suggested maybe she work AND go to school. Isn't it a laugh riot how pathetically pusillanimous the US population has become. Work and go to school, oh the inhumanity of it all.... LMAO!!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 7, 2011 11:18:57 GMT -5
Not everyone's life is sunshine and roses, and yours doesn't suck completely. Appreciate what you've got and you'll be happier. You posted on another thread you spend a lot of money on clothes and hair. Maybe they're envious of that. Sheesh, women are so catty. That was sexist and I am very offended... <Tina starts to compose message to ProBoards>
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 7, 2011 11:24:23 GMT -5
Man, you would really envy me. Every day, quite a few people wake up and go to work to buy me quite a few houses, and if that wasn't nice enough, they pay all of my taxes and other expenses, too.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 11:25:17 GMT -5
That was sexist and I am very offended...YOu know I love you MM....
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 7, 2011 11:31:19 GMT -5
That was sexist and I am very offended...YOu know I love you MM.... We all know you love MM, but what about me? ?
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Mar 7, 2011 11:32:31 GMT -5
We all know you love MM, but what about me?? << eyes rolling >> MM, Miss Margharita....MissTequila.... you're confusing me woman!!!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Mar 7, 2011 12:32:52 GMT -5
We all know you love MM, but what about me?? << eyes rolling >> MM, Miss Margharita....MissTequila.... you're confusing me woman!!! LMAO...right, it's my fault not the case of beer you had for breakfast
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 7, 2011 12:41:11 GMT -5
Sometimes the stress of the daily grind is what gets to me. Last night I determined Facebook is what causes this envy and resentment. My friends post things about getting massages and chiropractor adjustments and topping it off by getting their hair done. I also see things about two hour workouts or bags full of new makeup and brushes. A welfare mama I know is shopping for new furniture. I know their situations . . . . Due to my career, I have been working seven days a week. So yes, I yearn for days like my friends have. You are in public accounting, right? This time of year sucks donkey balls (I'm also in public accounting)....maybe it is time to find a less stressful job. I've been in public accounting 16 years but this season has pushed me to actually consider finding something less stressful. Stress comes from two things-- the stress we give ourselves. This is 99% of it if you ask me. It's not that life is actually stressful, it's that we are prone to stress out about things that aren't really stressful. This is where virtually ALL my stress comes from. The other 1% comes from government. It's finding out at a closing that there's a $5,000 "civil penalty" attached to a property you paid $11,000 for and then discovering the "civil penalty" isn't for a violation, it's for missing the hearing, and then discovering they sent the notice to the wrong address in another state in spite of the fact that for all the other properties you own, they sent the notice to the correct address. But I digress...if we didn't have stress it would be a pretty good indication that we're either unemployed, or not doing that much that is of value in the marketplace. The middle of every successful project looks like a giant disaster.
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Post by pepper112765 on Mar 7, 2011 13:27:21 GMT -5
When I was working, we had this program where you switched jobs with a person from a different department for a little bit. The idea was that it would give you more "whole" look of the company. I really wish sometimes people could do that in real life and switch lives with someone whose life they think they want to have. May be there would be a lot less bitching and moaning after that and a lot more happy people. Lena The show was called "Wife Swap."
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