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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 19, 2014 12:38:31 GMT -5
Or he could just not have sex. Women get told all the time "don't want to get pregnant, don't have sex". well, there's that, too. but you can't surely expect a man not to have sex if the opportunity presents itself...could you? You're kidding. right? So ALL the onus is on the women because the poor dears just can't help themselves?
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Post by chiver78 on Dec 19, 2014 12:40:14 GMT -5
well, there's that, too. but you can't surely expect a man not to have sex if the opportunity presents itself...could you? You're kidding. right? So ALL the onus is on the women because the poor dears just can't help themselves? yes....absolutely kidding. see the at the end. generally used for sarcasm.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 19, 2014 12:46:05 GMT -5
comments like that aren't very helpful either, Virgil. There really is a gorilla! It's up on it's hind l- ... Oh. Oh, it's just you, chiver. I saw you and I mistook you for a... well... an Afghan guerrilla fighter. That's why I said "guerrilla". The shadows in this room and all. While you're here, why not comment on whether governments will be able to effectively extend parental rights to the father or not. If the father is willing to pay for a paternity test, how would the state compel the mother to donate a blood sample confirming the paternity of the child?
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Post by chiver78 on Dec 19, 2014 12:50:11 GMT -5
comments like that aren't very helpful either, Virgil. There really is a gorilla! It's up on it's hind l- ... Oh. Oh, it's just you, chiver. I saw you and I mistook you for a... well... an Afghan guerrilla fighter. That's why I said "guerrilla". The shadows in this room and all. While you're here, why not comment on whether governments will be able to effectively extend parental rights to the father or not. If the father is willing to pay for a paternity test, how would the state compel the mother to donate a blood sample confirming the paternity of the child? I don't believe what you're asking for here is likely to be approved anywhere.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 19, 2014 12:51:16 GMT -5
Please direct your attention away from the 800 lb gorilla in the center of the room, and may we call your attention to the comely arrangement of ferns situated in the southeast corner... Seems like the only one concentrated on that gorilla of yours is ... you, Virgil. You're the one drawing attention to it.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 19, 2014 12:53:34 GMT -5
There really is a gorilla! It's up on it's hind l- ... Oh. Oh, it's just you, chiver. I saw you and I mistook you for a... well... an Afghan guerrilla fighter. That's why I said "guerrilla". The shadows in this room and all. While you're here, why not comment on whether governments will be able to effectively extend parental rights to the father or not. If the father is willing to pay for a paternity test, how would the state compel the mother to donate a blood sample confirming the paternity of the child? I don't believe what you're asking for here is likely to be approved anywhere. Gotta agree, Chiver. I can't think of any way a woman could be coerced to give a serum sample in the interests of someone who may, or may not be the father of a child she may, or may not be carrying.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 19, 2014 12:55:50 GMT -5
There really is a gorilla! It's up on it's hind l- ... Oh. Oh, it's just you, chiver. I saw you and I mistook you for a... well... an Afghan guerrilla fighter. That's why I said "guerrilla". The shadows in this room and all. While you're here, why not comment on whether governments will be able to effectively extend parental rights to the father or not. If the father is willing to pay for a paternity test, how would the state compel the mother to donate a blood sample confirming the paternity of the child? I don't believe what you're asking for here is likely to be approved anywhere. Suppose they are approved in one or two states. Can the proposal even be implemented? Or if you can think of another question to get the thread back on topic, by all means ask it.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 19, 2014 13:05:34 GMT -5
And what percentage of those have a wife married to a husband staunchly opposed to abortion? Perhaps I'll add "selection of a life mate who shares one's fundamental values" to the list of rules for success in life. I'm pretty sure that's part of every thinking person's rules for success in life, Virgil. Thing is, a lot of people don't share your views. I did not know that. Distressing as the news is, the silver lining is that the people who do share my views (and practice what they preach) don't have to do battle over whether or not they abort their offspring. I think we can all be grateful for that.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 19, 2014 13:07:32 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that's part of every thinking person's rules for success in life, Virgil. Thing is, a lot of people don't share your views. I did not know that. Distressing as the news is, the silver lining is that the people who do share my views (and practice what they preach) don't have to do battle over whether or not they abort their offspring. I think we can all be grateful for that. You know Virgil.....for someone who is so insistent about not discussing the 800 lb gorilla, YOU are the only one discussing it.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 19, 2014 13:08:47 GMT -5
I did not know that. Distressing as the news is, the silver lining is that the people who do share my views (and practice what they preach) don't have to do battle over whether or not they abort their offspring. I think we can all be grateful for that. You know Virgil.....for someone who is so insistent about not discussing the 800 lb gorilla, YOU are the only one discussing it. It is a little weird to just let it sit there and not have anyone talk about it.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 19, 2014 13:15:58 GMT -5
You know Virgil.....for someone who is so insistent about not discussing the 800 lb gorilla, YOU are the only one discussing it. It is a little weird to just let it sit there and not have anyone talk about it. But the discussion was about the legislation, NOT the morality behind it. Virgil made it very clear when he unlocked the thread, yet he continues to post about the morality of it.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 19, 2014 13:17:12 GMT -5
Mother jones? lol
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Post by NoNamePerson on Dec 19, 2014 13:19:37 GMT -5
I had no idea about my husbands thoughts on abortion ( but this was long ago) but if I had wanted an abortion I would have had an abortion. But then again I am one who knows how to keep my mouth shut and wouldn't be looking for any imput from anyone on the face of the earth - my choice my decision.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 19, 2014 13:28:23 GMT -5
It is a little weird to just let it sit there and not have anyone talk about it. But the discussion was about the legislation, NOT the morality behind it. Virgil made it very clear when he unlocked the thread, yet he continues to post about the morality of it. unclear on the concept.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 19, 2014 13:30:14 GMT -5
It is a little weird to just let it sit there and not have anyone talk about it. But the discussion was about the legislation, NOT the morality behind it. Virgil made it very clear when he unlocked the thread, yet he continues to post about the morality of it. I'm posting about the benefits of not engaging in extramarital sex. What does that have to do with the morality of abortion?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 19, 2014 13:30:43 GMT -5
But the discussion was about the legislation, NOT the morality behind it. Virgil made it very clear when he unlocked the thread, yet he continues to post about the morality of it. I'm posting about the benefits of not engaging in extramarital sex. What does that have to do with the morality of abortion? you're joking, right?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 19, 2014 13:32:41 GMT -5
I had no idea about my husbands thoughts on abortion ( but this was long ago) but if I had wanted an abortion I would have had an abortion. But then again I am one who knows how to keep my mouth shut and wouldn't be looking for any imput from anyone on the face of the earth - my choice my decision. And if he asks where you were all afternoon, you tell him you went shopping. Sounds like a plan.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 19, 2014 13:33:49 GMT -5
I had no idea about my husbands thoughts on abortion ( but this was long ago) but if I had wanted an abortion I would have had an abortion. But then again I am one who knows how to keep my mouth shut and wouldn't be looking for any imput from anyone on the face of the earth - my choice my decision. And if he asks where you were all afternoon, you tell him you went shopping. Sounds like a plan. No. She had to make a return.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 19, 2014 13:34:36 GMT -5
I'm posting about the benefits of not engaging in extramarital sex. What does that have to do with the morality of abortion? you're joking, right? Quite the opposite. I'd very much appreciate your assessment of why we can't reasonably divorce the two concepts. Not a word of sarcasm.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 19, 2014 13:48:32 GMT -5
Quite the opposite. I'd very much appreciate your assessment of why we can't reasonably divorce the two concepts. Not a word of sarcasm. But you are the one who is not divorcing the two concepts. - Distressing as the news is, the silver lining is that the people who do share my views (and practice what they preach) don't have to do battle over whether or not they abort their offspring. I think we can all be grateful for that.
- I'm posting about the benefits of not engaging in extramarital sex. What does that have to do with the morality of abortion?
- And if he asks where you were all afternoon, you tell him you went shopping. Sounds like a plan.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 19, 2014 13:51:02 GMT -5
Not sure why we need to discuss whether or not it's moral to engage in extramarital sex.
Extramarial sex is happening, and will continue to happen, regardless of who thinks it's moral or not.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 19, 2014 13:57:47 GMT -5
Quite the opposite. I'd very much appreciate your assessment of why we can't reasonably divorce the two concepts. Not a word of sarcasm. But you are the one who is not divorcing the two concepts. - Distressing as the news is, the silver lining is that the people who do share my views (and practice what they preach) don't have to do battle over whether or not they abort their offspring. I think we can all be grateful for that.
- I'm posting about the benefits of not engaging in extramarital sex. What does that have to do with the morality of abortion?
- And if he asks where you were all afternoon, you tell him you went shopping. Sounds like a plan.
What does any of that have to do with whether abortion is right or wrong (i.e. the morality of abortion)? Some of the sentences include the word "abortion", I'll grant you.
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Post by steff on Dec 19, 2014 14:00:47 GMT -5
Why are we even discussing the "morality" of abortion? Isn't that off limits? Why is it that it's a MOD who keeps bringing it back to that?
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 19, 2014 14:01:54 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that's part of every thinking person's rules for success in life, Virgil. Thing is, a lot of people don't share your views. I did not know that. Distressing as the news is, the silver lining is that the people who do share my views (and practice what they preach) don't have to do battle over whether or not they abort their offspring. I think we can all be grateful for that. Of course we can. Just as we can be grateful those who agree to abort a child for whatever reason most times don't have a battle over the decision. Those are win/win situations and win/win situations are always something for which to be grateful.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 19, 2014 14:02:15 GMT -5
Why are we even discussing the "morality" of abortion? Isn't that off limits? Why is it that it's a MOD who keeps bringing it back to that? Good question, I keep trying to find out the answer for this.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 19, 2014 14:03:37 GMT -5
Why are we even discussing the "morality" of abortion? Isn't that off limits? Why is it that it's a MOD who keeps bringing it back to that? We aren't discussing the morality of abortion, steff. As long as people stay away from the "I'm right and you're a murderer!" and "You're wrong and you can't tell me what's moral or immoral!" stances, we're fine.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 19, 2014 14:10:02 GMT -5
Quite the opposite. I'd very much appreciate your assessment of why we can't reasonably divorce the two concepts. Not a word of sarcasm. if you are claiming that extramarital sex is not a moral issue, then let's just say i am baffled by that assertion.
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Post by steff on Dec 19, 2014 14:13:27 GMT -5
Sad that it even has to be said, but abortion isn't about extramarital sex or blaming someone because they had sex. Abortions are had by married women (wealthy and poor), abused women (wealthy and poor), incest victims, & rape victims.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 19, 2014 14:15:14 GMT -5
Quite the opposite. I'd very much appreciate your assessment of why we can't reasonably divorce the two concepts. Not a word of sarcasm. if you are claiming that extramarital sex is not a moral issue, then let's just say i am baffled by that assertion. Several people seem to be baffled by that assertion, dj. Society's compass has changed drastically since the 50s on that particular matter, as it has on gay marriage and a few other things that were once taboo to even talk about. Perhaps Virgil can better explain what he's trying to say here.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 19, 2014 14:15:40 GMT -5
Sad that it even has to be said, but abortion isn't about extramarital sex or blaming someone because they had sex. Abortions are had by married women (wealthy and poor), abused women (wealthy and poor), incest victims, & rape victims. for the record, i never claimed they were related. i know that you were not asserting i WAS claiming that.
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