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Post by EVT1 on Dec 18, 2014 1:14:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 5:11:20 GMT -5
Even though I can KIND-OF see this as more reasonable than some other requirements that are actually already law in some places... I'm still against it.
Abortion should be the pregnant woman's choice. Period. End-of-story.
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Post by marvholly on Dec 18, 2014 6:34:50 GMT -5
Even though I can KIND-OF see this as more reasonable than some other requirements that are actually already law in some places... I'm still against it. Abortion should be the pregnant woman's choice. Period. End-of-story. SOOO agree. However, if the father does not/will not the woman should make him a permanent 'present' of the child. Let HIM deal w/daycare, night feedings, diapers, sick child....................
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Post by busymom on Dec 18, 2014 7:32:41 GMT -5
Sooo, they DON'T enforce payment of child support, but they're trying to enforce this?!? Lotsa luck!
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Post by Ombud on Dec 18, 2014 8:19:55 GMT -5
So the potential father-2-be has no interest in the outcome? Why don't they just say if he wants the kid, he has to take sole custody if she doesn't want it?
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 18, 2014 8:24:53 GMT -5
I don't think this will go through anywhere.
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Post by 973beachbum on Dec 18, 2014 9:24:13 GMT -5
Sooo, they DON'T enforce payment of child support, but they're trying to enforce this?!? Lotsa luck! This is actually a lot easier to enforce though. The facilities wouldn't be allowed to preform the proceedure if this law passes. They could lose their lisense if they did. It is just another stick to use to close planned parenthood IMO.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 18, 2014 9:50:19 GMT -5
Women are just property. No different than a pet owner signing a permission form to have their pet neutered.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Dec 18, 2014 9:54:59 GMT -5
Sooo, they DON'T enforce payment of child support, but they're trying to enforce this?!? Lotsa luck! This is actually a lot easier to enforce though. The facilities wouldn't be allowed to preform the proceedure if this law passes. They could lose their lisense if they did. It is just another stick to use to close planned parenthood IMO. Hmmm, what would happen if you say you don't know who the father is? It would definitely skew any statistics collected on how well one knows the father. Which could lead to the false assumption that women are having unprotected sex with men they know extremely casually...
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Post by NoNamePerson on Dec 18, 2014 10:27:03 GMT -5
This is actually a lot easier to enforce though. The facilities wouldn't be allowed to preform the proceedure if this law passes. They could lose their lisense if they did. It is just another stick to use to close planned parenthood IMO. Hmmm, what would happen if you say you don't know who the father is? It would definitely skew any statistics collected on how well one knows the father. Which could lead to the false assumption that women are having unprotected sex with men they know extremely casually... Better a false assumption than denying women who want an abortion the right to have that abortion. Oh and that men are having unprotected sex with women they know extremely casually
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Dec 18, 2014 10:37:42 GMT -5
Good point NNP. But I think the politicians involved would be more inclined to leap on the same assumption I did. <Bad Beth >
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Post by workpublic on Dec 18, 2014 11:09:39 GMT -5
So if the father wants to abort and the woman says no, he doesn't have to pay child support?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Dec 18, 2014 11:13:24 GMT -5
So if the father wants to abort and the woman says no, he doesn't have to pay child support? Part of me wants to say "I'm ok with that" Part of me wants to say "Isn't that what happens in a lot of cases anyway?" And part of me is concerned about that baby's future and poverty if there is no child support. I'm in an odd mood today and probably should get off the boards before I get myself into trouble (or an argument)
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Post by EVT1 on Dec 18, 2014 11:36:49 GMT -5
Good points- what happens when nobody wants to sign off or admit paternity, or someone other than the father does? Is there going to be a DNA test? Paid for by whom? Of course none of that matters since paternal rights have nothing to do with this....It won't surprise me at all if some state does pass a form of this considering who is in charge these days- looking at you TN
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 18, 2014 11:45:55 GMT -5
Good points- what happens when nobody wants to sign off or admit paternity, or someone other than the father does? Is there going to be a DNA test? Paid for by whom? Of course none of that matters since paternal rights have nothing to do with this....It won't surprise me at all if some state does pass a form of this considering who is in charge these days- looking at you TN TN who...?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Dec 18, 2014 11:49:51 GMT -5
I'm assuming he means the entire state of Tennessee.
Edited to fix post spacing.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 18, 2014 11:50:57 GMT -5
Good points- what happens when nobody wants to sign off or admit paternity, or someone other than the father does? Is there going to be a DNA test? Paid for by whom? Of course none of that matters since paternal rights have nothing to do with this....It won't surprise me at all if some state does pass a form of this considering who is in charge these days- looking at you TN TN who...? probably Richard in
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 18, 2014 12:08:15 GMT -5
Maybe they can talk to Maury about this. I think he has a bulk rate on paternity tests. This will be interesting if the potential father can be any one of a dozen guys.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 18, 2014 12:12:46 GMT -5
Maybe they can talk to Maury about this. I think he has a bulk rate on paternity tests. This will be interesting if the potential father can be any one of a dozen guys. Or if she was an 'escort' for the entire U.S. Naval Forces Fifth Fleet.
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Post by EVT1 on Dec 18, 2014 12:54:10 GMT -5
I'm assuming he means the entire state of Tennessee.
Edited to fix post spacing.
Yep- well at least the legislature. The entire state isn't effed in the head.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Dec 18, 2014 12:57:46 GMT -5
Maybe they can talk to Maury about this. I think he has a bulk rate on paternity tests. This will be interesting if the potential father can be any one of a dozen guys. How exactly does one test the paternity while in the uterus anyway? 'cause someone is trying to get an abortion, not child support. And how long does it take to get the results? Maybe the real goal is to delay abortion past the 20 week stage.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 18, 2014 13:02:46 GMT -5
It's a step in the right direction. I'd like to see a requirement to get the consent of the child. If two people agree to murder me, it's still murder.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 18, 2014 13:05:25 GMT -5
Maybe they can talk to Maury about this. I think he has a bulk rate on paternity tests. This will be interesting if the potential father can be any one of a dozen guys. How exactly does one test the paternity while in the uterus anyway? 'cause someone is trying to get an abortion, not child support. And how long does it take to get the results? Maybe the real goal is to delay abortion past the 20 week stage. Paternity could be tested using the mother's blood. Test can be done 11/12 weeks into pregnancy and comes back in 10 days or so.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 18, 2014 13:11:53 GMT -5
Maybe they can talk to Maury about this. I think he has a bulk rate on paternity tests. This will be interesting if the potential father can be any one of a dozen guys. How exactly does one test the paternity while in the uterus anyway? 'cause someone is trying to get an abortion, not child support. And how long does it take to get the results? Maybe the real goal is to delay abortion past the 20 week stage. Supposedly, there is a way of doing this via the mother's blood, done as early as 8 weeks. www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/health/paternity-blood-tests-that-work-early-in-a-pregnancy.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Post by Opti on Dec 18, 2014 13:24:58 GMT -5
From the OP URL: "I'm just saying if there was a legitimate rape, you're going to make a police report, just as if you were robbed," Brattin says. "That's just common sense." Under his bill, he adds, "you have to take steps to show that you were raped…And I'd think you'd be able to prove that." The bill contains no provision establishing standards for claiming the rape or incest exceptions. It also doesn't state any specific penalties for violating the law nor say whether a penalty would be imposed on the woman seeking the abortion or the abortion provider.
This is scary. Its probably hard enough to come out and tell people about incest, but this law could add another level of problem. The only I can easily conclude is that he wasn't raped as a child.
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Post by 973beachbum on Dec 18, 2014 13:33:45 GMT -5
From the OP URL: "I'm just saying if there was a legitimate rape, you're going to make a police report, just as if you were robbed," Brattin says. "That's just common sense." Under his bill, he adds, "you have to take steps to show that you were raped…And I'd think you'd be able to prove that." The bill contains no provision establishing standards for claiming the rape or incest exceptions. It also doesn't state any specific penalties for violating the law nor say whether a penalty would be imposed on the woman seeking the abortion or the abortion provider.
This is scary. Its probably hard enough to come out and tell people about incest, but this law could add another level of problem. The only I can easily conclude is that he wasn't raped as a child. He also wasn't blessed with common sense.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Dec 18, 2014 13:37:40 GMT -5
This is from the article Mich linked to in post #23
I did not see an estimated time for results in the link. Or if any lab can run the tests or if samples need to be returned to the vendor for processing.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 18, 2014 13:43:07 GMT -5
Oh Lordy.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Dec 18, 2014 14:15:40 GMT -5
This is from the article Mich linked to in post #23 I did not see an estimated time for results in the link. Or if any lab can run the tests or if samples need to be returned to the vendor for processing. The article is over 2 years old too. Chances are, it's in use. There are other companies that do do early testing. It's more expensive, but still available/
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 18, 2014 14:17:42 GMT -5
This is from the article Mich linked to in post #23 I did not see an estimated time for results in the link. Or if any lab can run the tests or if samples need to be returned to the vendor for processing. My wife had this test done for her most recent two pregnancies, not specifically for paternity, but that is just one of the things you can do with the test.
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