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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 5, 2015 13:10:24 GMT -5
i can't remember who i was discussing this with, but.....
i have mentioned "project red state" on this board several times. once was with Paul. he asked "how could the GOP gerrymander such blue states?" the answer is that they ran a campaign to unseat democrats in key districts in those states in 2010, and then redrew the maps using census data from 2010.
but i got the name wrong. it was called project RED MAP. that might be REDMAP, i am not sure. i will look it up later. i just wanted to acknowledge my mistake and make good on my earlier promise to post information on it (to whomever it was). but i have to go to work, now.......
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 5, 2015 22:02:10 GMT -5
It is beginning to look like some of the major cable channels are actually going to dog Hillary on this e-mail problem.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 5, 2015 22:07:12 GMT -5
It is beginning to look like some of the major cable channels are actually going to dog Hillary on this e-mail problem. in what way does this surprise you?
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 5, 2015 20:34:14 GMT -5
Looks like Jeb is joining the crowded field on June 16th!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 5, 2015 20:49:58 GMT -5
i heard June 15th. he is a persistent front runner. i would call him the early favourite.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 5, 2015 23:06:48 GMT -5
Looks like Jeb is joining the crowded field on June 16th! About time- kind of milking the law to raise money. Maybe he can win- quite obvious American voters have forgotten everything that happened. Bring on WW3. I am too old to draft
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Post by marvholly on Jun 6, 2015 5:32:58 GMT -5
Dingbatit!!!
My bday is over the week JB is supposed to be making his announcement. I would prefer things to be quieter. Maybe I should just go away for the week. Or just take a week off from newspapers, tv news, discussion forums.................
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 6, 2015 9:03:30 GMT -5
Dingbatit!!!
My bday is over the week JB is supposed to be making his announcement. I would prefer things to be quieter. Maybe I should just go away for the week. Or just take a week off from newspapers, tv news, discussion forums................. That's sure what I'd do if I were you! I'd find someplace fun to go!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 6, 2015 11:10:49 GMT -5
If it gets down to a choice between the two of them, the vote will go for Hillary. I have made my prediction.... That's what a lot of people are saying in the media...but the media is also biased towards the Democratic party. I don't think women correlate themselves with her as well as the Democratic party think they do. My wife can't stand her, because of the fact she stuck with Bill through his infidelities because she knew that was the ticket to greater glory. My mother - who is her age - can't stand her because of all the scandals. if you mean REPUBLICAN women, then yes- they view her unfavorably. but that is not typical "....Not only is there a gender gap in Clinton's overall favorable rating, but all major female demographic groups view Clinton more positively than do their male counterparts, including by age, education, race, marital status and partisanship. In nearly every comparison, Clinton's favorable rating is 10 percentage points higher for women than men in the same subgroup." Among Clinton's highest numbers, 83 percent of Democratic women, 64 percent of unmarried women, and 62 percent of female college graduates rate her favorably. Rating her unfavorably are 77 percent of Republican men, 67 percent of Republican women, 56 percent of non-Hispanic white men, and 54 percent of married men. Clinton's 56 percent favorable rating among women far outdistances the positive ratings of other potential competitors. Topping the list of rivals, 41 percent of women give Vice President Joe Biden, a Democrat, a favorable rating, and 32 percent give former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, a Republican, a favorable rating. www.usnews.com/news/blogs/ken-walshs-washington/2015/03/23/hillary-clintons-gender-gap
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 6, 2015 19:44:33 GMT -5
if you mean REPUBLICAN women, then yes- they view her unfavorably. but that is not typical "....Not only is there a gender gap in Clinton's overall favorable rating, but all major female demographic groups view Clinton more positively than do their male counterparts, including by age, education, race, marital status and partisanship. In nearly every comparison, Clinton's favorable rating is 10 percentage points higher for women than men in the same subgroup." Among Clinton's highest numbers, 83 percent of Democratic women, 64 percent of unmarried women, and 62 percent of female college graduates rate her favorably. Rating her unfavorably are 77 percent of Republican men, 67 percent of Republican women, 56 percent of non-Hispanic white men, and 54 percent of married men. Clinton's 56 percent favorable rating among women far outdistances the positive ratings of other potential competitors. Topping the list of rivals, 41 percent of women give Vice President Joe Biden, a Democrat, a favorable rating, and 32 percent give former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, a Republican, a favorable rating. www.usnews.com/news/blogs/ken-walshs-washington/2015/03/23/hillary-clintons-gender-gapSo her favorably among female voters is the same as Pres Obama's during his two elections. Thank you for proving my point . is it? i can well imagine why. and i can well imagine why Obama was far more appealing to women than any Republican is. so, whose point has been proved, here?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 22:16:56 GMT -5
So her favorably among female voters is the same as Pres Obama's during his two elections. Thank you for proving my point . is it? i can well imagine why. and i can well imagine why Obama was far more appealing to women than any Republican is. so, whose point has been proved, here?Mine! (that point being "picking the lesser bad between two candidates when there are more than two candidates running still leaves you with a bad candidate winning")
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 7, 2015 0:46:24 GMT -5
is it? i can well imagine why. and i can well imagine why Obama was far more appealing to women than any Republican is. so, whose point has been proved, here? We proved mine. Edit: and I appreciate your help. Thank you :-). my point is that HC's advantage among women is large enough to be a serious factor in the election. but thanks for reminding me that Obama enjoyed the same advantage, and won two elections. that really did prove my point. and if it proved yours, then i guess we were making the same point. BROTHER!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 5:30:57 GMT -5
To be honest, I think HC's "advantage amongst women voters" is cancelled out by her "disadvantage amongst women voters who can't stand her"
I know several female Democrats that will NOT vote for her if she's the nominee... and they are usually "where's the Dem button? Ohhh there it is. That's what we vote" kind of Democrats. They hate her that badly.
Unfortunately I also know several female voters that would vote for a goat... if it was a female goat, BECAUSE it's a FEMALE goat.
So... you see what I mean about cancelling each other out...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 7, 2015 10:21:35 GMT -5
my point is that HC's advantage among women is large enough to be a serious factor in the election. but thanks for reminding me that Obama enjoyed the same advantage, and won two elections. that really did prove my point. and if it proved yours, then i guess we were making the same point. BROTHER!!! And also, the fact that it's not higher is very telling. And yes, it could very well mean the difference in a close race. what does it tell you?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 7, 2015 10:22:38 GMT -5
To be honest, I think HC's "advantage amongst women voters" is cancelled out by her "disadvantage amongst women voters who can't stand her" I know several female Democrats that will NOT vote for her if she's the nominee... and they are usually "where's the Dem button? Ohhh there it is. That's what we vote" kind of Democrats. They hate her that badly. Unfortunately I also know several female voters that would vote for a goat... if it was a female goat, BECAUSE it's a FEMALE goat. So... you see what I mean about cancelling each other out... i don't think so, Richard. by 2012, there were a LOT of people that hated Obama, but it didn't translate to a victory for Romney.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 19:52:58 GMT -5
To be honest, I think HC's "advantage amongst women voters" is cancelled out by her "disadvantage amongst women voters who can't stand her" I know several female Democrats that will NOT vote for her if she's the nominee... and they are usually "where's the Dem button? Ohhh there it is. That's what we vote" kind of Democrats. They hate her that badly. Unfortunately I also know several female voters that would vote for a goat... if it was a female goat, BECAUSE it's a FEMALE goat. So... you see what I mean about cancelling each other out... i don't think so, Richard. by 2012, there were a LOT of people that hated Obama, but it didn't translate to a victory for Romney. I understand that. And they had very good reason to. BUT... what was the percentage of BLACKS that hated him vs. the percentage of blacks that voted for him "because he's the black guy"?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 7, 2015 22:42:59 GMT -5
i don't think so, Richard. by 2012, there were a LOT of people that hated Obama, but it didn't translate to a victory for Romney. I understand that. And they had very good reason to. BUT... what was the percentage of BLACKS that hated him vs. the percentage of blacks that voted for him "because he's the black guy"? i think too much of people to venture a guess other than "0".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 22:50:08 GMT -5
I understand that. And they had very good reason to. BUT... what was the percentage of BLACKS that hated him vs. the percentage of blacks that voted for him "because he's the black guy"? i think too much of people to venture a guess other than "0". That was the comparison I was making with Hillary... the female voters that wouldn't vote for her because they hate her vs. the females that would vote for her because she's female. Basically the same "disadvantage vs. advantage" just replace "female" with "black" and "Hillary" with "Barack" ETA: and I don't think it WAS anywhere near the same differential with Obama as it will be with Clinton. That's why her "female" advantage will be basically erased by her "it's Hillary Clinton" disadvantage... whereas the "he's black" advantage WASN'T erased by an equal disadvantage of "it's Barack Obama (among black voters)". Know what I mean?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 7, 2015 22:52:39 GMT -5
i think too much of people to venture a guess other than "0". That was the comparison I was making with Hillary... the female voters that wouldn't vote for her because they hate her vs. the females that would vote for her because she's female. Basically the same "disadvantage vs. advantage" just replace "female" with "black" and "Hillary" with "Barack" yeah, i am not very good at guessing about people. really. that is why i tend to ask. but thanks, i understand.
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Post by dondub on Jun 8, 2015 0:09:26 GMT -5
Considering that Blacks tend to vote for the Demo candidate, I doubt that many people switched allegiance from a Repo tradition to vote for Obama simply because he was Black. I know the righties want people to think that but so what.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 17, 2015 8:01:13 GMT -5
Jeb was on Jimmy Fallon last night Slow jammin the news with Jimmy. www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/segments/134516Jeb is still a little stiff in performance, but then he did a good job over all. I could see his dad or brother totally missing the mark on this type of performance. Jimmy was sort of soft on him, but plenty of inuendos.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 17, 2015 13:21:54 GMT -5
I believe dj might be on vacation, but I will ask anyway. Everyone is free to reply. How about Jeb putting Kasich of Ohio on the ticket for the VP slot? Puts Ohio in the Republican camp in the election. With Florida and Virginia wrapped up, as well as Texas, maybe Nevada, Arizona, Colorado with the ethnic Spanish vote, it becomes a slam dunk win for Jeb in the national election. And no one commented on the slow jammin video? Man, if Obama had done that in the early part of the election after he announced running, we would have had about 200 posts on it by now.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 17, 2015 13:36:20 GMT -5
... And no one commented on the slow jammin video? Man, if Obama had done that in the early part of the election after he announced running, we would have had about 200 posts on it by now. Oh, Jeb Bush announced? I don't think there is any enthusiasm for him as a candidate. He may win the nomination, maybe even the presidency, but I don't think anyone is exactly thrilled by the idea.
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Post by kent on Jun 17, 2015 13:39:34 GMT -5
Well, I just watched the slow jamming video and got a kick out of it. It sure beats the hell out of watching Hillary walk out on stage grinning like a whatever and clapping for herself like a seal.
Likewise her "staged" meetings with followers pretending to listen while nodding her head in a most disingenuous manner as though she's actually listening or gives a damn.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 17, 2015 16:49:11 GMT -5
I believe dj might be on vacation, but I will ask anyway. Everyone is free to reply. How about Jeb putting Kasich of Ohio on the ticket for the VP slot? Puts Ohio in the Republican camp in the election. With Florida and Virginia wrapped up, as well as Texas, maybe Nevada, Arizona, Colorado with the ethnic Spanish vote, it becomes a slam dunk win for Jeb in the national election. And no one commented on the slow jammin video? Man, if Obama had done that in the early part of the election after he announced running, we would have had about 200 posts on it by now. I saw your thread. But I decided not to watch it because you spoiled the post by bringing your partisan politics into it. Had you left Hillary Clinton out of your post and just let us enjoy the video, and we would have enjoyed it, I at least would have watched it. I am sure Jeb Bush can be funny in a very likable way. But you had to bring Clinton into it. So I ignored your thread.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 17, 2015 17:56:40 GMT -5
I believe dj might be on vacation, but I will ask anyway. Everyone is free to reply. How about Jeb putting Kasich of Ohio on the ticket for the VP slot? Puts Ohio in the Republican camp in the election. With Florida and Virginia wrapped up, as well as Texas, maybe Nevada, Arizona, Colorado with the ethnic Spanish vote, it becomes a slam dunk win for Jeb in the national election. And no one commented on the slow jammin video? Man, if Obama had done that in the early part of the election after he announced running, we would have had about 200 posts on it by now. I saw your thread. But I decided not to watch it because you spoiled the post by bringing your partisan politics into it. Had you left Hillary Clinton out of your post and just let us enjoy the video, and we would have enjoyed it, I at least would have watched it. I am sure Jeb Bush can be funny in a very likable way. But you had to bring Clinton into it. So I ignored your thread. Sorry about disappointing you. But then, it's not the first time, is it? I imagine Hillary's people will say "you gotta do this! Jeb's beating you in the likeability quotient, and he's dropped his last name from the campaign. He's only known as Jeb now. People like him now. And he speaks Spanish!".
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 17, 2015 18:04:42 GMT -5
I believe dj might be on vacation, but I will ask anyway. Everyone is free to reply. How about Jeb putting Kasich of Ohio on the ticket for the VP slot? Puts Ohio in the Republican camp in the election. With Florida and Virginia wrapped up, as well as Texas, maybe Nevada, Arizona, Colorado with the ethnic Spanish vote, it becomes a slam dunk win for Jeb in the national election. And no one commented on the slow jammin video? Man, if Obama had done that in the early part of the election after he announced running, we would have had about 200 posts on it by now. Oops. I didn't mean to push your interesting question off of the top page.
Regarding Kasich as a Veep selection- interesting, but far too early in the process. First of all, it is inappropriate for any candidate to do at this stage. Discussing a moderate Rep while Bush is trying to prove his own conservative chops for the GOP base is an issue too. Finally of course, Bush is one of many candidates for the GOP nomination. There is a good chance he will not be the nominee.
Having said all that, IF Bush were the nominee down the road, Kasich would be an interesting possibility. I get the Florida / Ohio EV importance. I'm not sure that he would have any of those constituencies locked up though, other than Texas and Arizona. Florida is probable, but not definite for Bush.
Well, we all know they have to start thinking about the endgame, which includes the VP slot. Heard an interesting comment on tv today. Jeb has to lose the battle of the far right conservative wing of the party, but still win the war of the nomination. If he is able to do this, he has an easier chance in the actual election when he does not have to back pedal on quotes made during the primaries to the far right, to make him a strong candidate. Kasich raps up Ohio, and imo, maybe helps in neighboring Pennsylvania. Florida will not go for Hillary. Colorado, Nevada, Jeb will surprise with his strength in the Spanish block, taking these states. Do not underestimate fluent Spanish sentences addressed to them. It makes the statements that much more from the heart.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2015 19:23:18 GMT -5
I saw your thread. But I decided not to watch it because you spoiled the post by bringing your partisan politics into it. Had you left Hillary Clinton out of your post and just let us enjoy the video, and we would have enjoyed it, I at least would have watched it. I am sure Jeb Bush can be funny in a very likable way. But you had to bring Clinton into it. So I ignored your thread. Sorry about disappointing you. But then, it's not the first time, is it? I imagine Hillary's people will say "you gotta do this! Jeb's beating you in the likeability quotient, and he's dropped his last name from the campaign. He's only known as Jeb now. People like him now. And he speaks Spanish!". that would be rather a dumb thing for a Clinton insider to say.
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