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Post by Value Buy on Jun 18, 2015 19:24:58 GMT -5
Sorry about disappointing you. But then, it's not the first time, is it? I imagine Hillary's people will say "you gotta do this! Jeb's beating you in the likeability quotient, and he's dropped his last name from the campaign. He's only known as Jeb now. People like him now. And he speaks Spanish!". that would be rather a dumb thing for a Clinton insider to say. Yes, they might wind up shot on a playground with a suicide note.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2015 19:29:43 GMT -5
that would be rather a dumb thing for a Clinton insider to say. Yes, they might wind up shot on a playground with a suicide note. believe it or not, that was about half of my reasoning.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2015 19:32:37 GMT -5
Oops. I didn't mean to push your interesting question off of the top page.
Regarding Kasich as a Veep selection- interesting, but far too early in the process. First of all, it is inappropriate for any candidate to do at this stage. Discussing a moderate Rep while Bush is trying to prove his own conservative chops for the GOP base is an issue too. Finally of course, Bush is one of many candidates for the GOP nomination. There is a good chance he will not be the nominee.
Having said all that, IF Bush were the nominee down the road, Kasich would be an interesting possibility. I get the Florida / Ohio EV importance. I'm not sure that he would have any of those constituencies locked up though, other than Texas and Arizona. Florida is probable, but not definite for Bush.
Well, we all know they have to start thinking about the endgame, which includes the VP slot. Heard an interesting comment on tv today. Jeb has to lose the battle of the far right conservative wing of the party, but still win the war of the nomination. If he is able to do this, he has an easier chance in the actual election when he does not have to back pedal on quotes made during the primaries to the far right, to make him a strong candidate. Kasich raps up Ohio, and imo, maybe helps in neighboring Pennsylvania. Florida will not go for Hillary. Colorado, Nevada, Jeb will surprise with his strength in the Spanish block, taking these states. Do not underestimate fluent Spanish sentences addressed to them. It makes the statements that much more from the heart. this is wild speculation, imo. i don't even know if EITHER of these candidates will be competitive, at this juncture. but as long as you don't start adding "don't doubt me, EVER" to your speculations, you are welcome to them.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 18, 2015 19:40:20 GMT -5
Well, we all know they have to start thinking about the endgame, which includes the VP slot. Heard an interesting comment on tv today. Jeb has to lose the battle of the far right conservative wing of the party, but still win the war of the nomination. If he is able to do this, he has an easier chance in the actual election when he does not have to back pedal on quotes made during the primaries to the far right, to make him a strong candidate. Kasich raps up Ohio, and imo, maybe helps in neighboring Pennsylvania. Florida will not go for Hillary. Colorado, Nevada, Jeb will surprise with his strength in the Spanish block, taking these states. Do not underestimate fluent Spanish sentences addressed to them. It makes the statements that much more from the heart. this is wild speculation, imo. i don't even know if EITHER of these candidates will be competitive, at this juncture. but as long as you don't start adding "don't doubt me, EVER" to your speculations, you are welcome to them. I am an eternal optimist in regards to the Republican party. I do believe Jeb will garner the nomination-just look at most of his competition. I also believe he will garner the states I listed, in another message here, and win the Presidency if Hillary is the nominee. Bernie Sanders worries me. America is able to continue to vote for the less than an adequate candidate for President. America complains about the mediocrity, but darn, we vote the people in.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 18, 2015 19:45:14 GMT -5
this is wild speculation, imo. i don't even know if EITHER of these candidates will be competitive, at this juncture. but as long as you don't start adding "don't doubt me, EVER" to your speculations, you are welcome to them. I am an eternal optimist in regards to the Republican party. I do believe Jeb will garner the nomination-just look at most of his competition. I also believe he will garner the states I listed, in another message here, and win the Presidency if Hillary is the nominee. Bernie Sanders worries me. America is able to continue to vote for the less than an adequate candidate for President. America complains about the mediocrity, but darn, we vote the people in. i don't think this is nearly the clown car that 2012 was. in 2012 there were only a couple of viable candidates. this time there are about half a dozen. i think that Bush stands the best chance of prevailing, but it is far from certain. Perry looked like the insider on 2012. Guiliani looked like a shoo-in in 2008. neither of those guys ended up even being a FACTOR. things go wrong. and Bush has not handled things well so far, so he might end up being one of those guys. so might Clinton. it would be well to consider who might do well in their stead, and i don't really know who would do well on the Democratic side, but there are several candidates that would do quite well on the GOP side other than Bush. in other words, apart from the fact that Clinton is a very good candidate, i don't think the Democratic field really has ANY depth this time, and that has to worry them HAS TO. one major fuckup for Clinton, and the GOP will win, imo.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 19, 2015 8:43:26 GMT -5
Joe v Jeb. Makes it sound like just a couple of good old boys.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 19, 2015 11:16:50 GMT -5
this is wild speculation, imo. i don't even know if EITHER of these candidates will be competitive, at this juncture. but as long as you don't start adding "don't doubt me, EVER" to your speculations, you are welcome to them. I am an eternal optimist in regards to the Republican party. I do believe Jeb will garner the nomination-just look at most of his competition. I also believe he will garner the states I listed, in another message here, and win the Presidency if Hillary is the nominee. Bernie Sanders worries me. America is able to continue to vote for the less than an adequate candidate for President. America complains about the mediocrity, but darn, we vote the people in. I try to remain optimistic about the Republican party, too. Optimistic that they will front a candidate I can vote for. I actually like JEB pretty well, I think he's more like his dad, whom I liked and respected, than his bumbling, intellectually challenged brother. I'm not sure why he dropped BUSH from his official campaign slogan, no one is going to forget he's a Bush. I kind of feel sorry for him trying to distance himself from his brother's policies without actually coming out and admitting his brother screwed up. I liked McCain, though, until he tried to take a sharp right turn to win over the religious right culminating on bringing in Palin at the last minute as his VP, against his own better judgment. If Bush does the same and turns the focus of his campaign onto social issues like eliminating abortion and gay marriage he will lose me, just like McCain did. I'm guessing Bush would lose a lot of women's votes if he pushed the abortion thing - and since some women will vote for Hilary just because she doesn't have a penis, he really needs to be careful not to alienate those women who might vote for him, even though he has a penis. I love Bernie Sanders - don't know that he would make a good president, but I love an old coot who speaks his mind and charges towards a fight like a dog on a bone. No PC crap for him. With both the dems and republicans eager to be toadies for Wall Street, it's refreshing to see someone who tells Wall Street to go blow themselves. And I don't know that American complains about mediocrity so much as we complain about politicians who fail to get anything done - ever. And when they do push for changes it always seems to be things that are important to their big dollar donors and lobbies, not things that really matter to the functioning of the country. In that regard, I don't know that any of the political candidates, from either side, really has the best interest of the middle class at heart. Hilary has proven to be solidly for Wall Street. Except for Bernie, who is the honey badger of politics.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 19, 2015 19:39:30 GMT -5
I liked the father too. He was not a great president, certainly, but I always thought him a good, decent, and courageous man with a life dedicated to serving the country. I lost some of that respect after he ran and lost against Reagan. He was right (as I recall) in his campaigning. My opinion was that in losing the nomination, he saw what was required to win, and then sold his soul to an extent as a result. Same with McCain. Always had a lot of respect for him, but he totally trashed that with the Palin pick.
As far as Jeb dropping the Bush name, I'm going with the idea that more people are starting to see the redundancy: John Ellis Bush Bush. (Yes, that is probably giving both him and the public too much credit, but oh well....)
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 19, 2015 19:49:30 GMT -5
Jeb probably should have chosen Musique's one-hit wonder song, In The Bush, as his campaign song.
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Post by dondub on Jun 27, 2015 11:40:27 GMT -5
Lying us into the Iraq War was ethical?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2015 13:32:30 GMT -5
I am an eternal optimist in regards to the Republican party. I do believe Jeb will garner the nomination-just look at most of his competition. I also believe he will garner the states I listed, in another message here, and win the Presidency if Hillary is the nominee. Bernie Sanders worries me. America is able to continue to vote for the less than an adequate candidate for President. America complains about the mediocrity, but darn, we vote the people in. I try to remain optimistic about the Republican party, too. Optimistic that they will front a candidate I can vote for. I actually like JEB pretty well, I think he's more like his dad, whom I liked and respected, than his bumbling, intellectually challenged brother. I'm not sure why he dropped BUSH from his official campaign slogan, no one is going to forget he's a Bush. I kind of feel sorry for him trying to distance himself from his brother's policies without actually coming out and admitting his brother screwed up. I liked McCain, though, until he tried to take a sharp right turn to win over the religious right culminating on bringing in Palin at the last minute as his VP, against his own better judgment. If Bush does the same and turns the focus of his campaign onto social issues like eliminating abortion and gay marriage he will lose me, just like McCain did. I'm guessing Bush would lose a lot of women's votes if he pushed the abortion thing - and since some women will vote for Hilary just because she doesn't have a penis, he really needs to be careful not to alienate those women who might vote for him, even though he has a penis. I love Bernie Sanders - don't know that he would make a good president, but I love an old coot who speaks his mind and charges towards a fight like a dog on a bone. No PC crap for him. With both the dems and republicans eager to be toadies for Wall Street, it's refreshing to see someone who tells Wall Street to go blow themselves. And I don't know that American complains about mediocrity so much as we complain about politicians who fail to get anything done - ever. And when they do push for changes it always seems to be things that are important to their big dollar donors and lobbies, not things that really matter to the functioning of the country. In that regard, I don't know that any of the political candidates, from either side, really has the best interest of the middle class at heart. Hilary has proven to be solidly for Wall Street. Except for Bernie, who is the honey badger of politics. happy- this is a really awesome post. i am crushing hard on it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2015 13:35:29 GMT -5
Lying us into the Iraq War was ethical? delusional people can be highly ethical, don. from their own perspective, of course, not yours.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Jun 27, 2015 13:38:53 GMT -5
I'm liking the Donald (obviously kidding...but he is fun)
Bush has the money and establishment behind him, so he will be hard to beat. Still...we need a viable third party.
Voting for Hillary or Jeb, makes me yawn.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2015 13:59:03 GMT -5
Jeb has been well out in front in the last two polls. i suspect it will stay that way unless something dramatic happens- or maybe i should say UNTIL.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Jun 27, 2015 14:03:47 GMT -5
This is such a crowded field, anything can happen.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2015 14:07:06 GMT -5
This is such a crowded field, anything can happen. very true. but certain things are less likely than others. like, for example, Jindal or Fiorino winning the nomination.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Jun 27, 2015 14:19:40 GMT -5
This is such a crowded field, anything can happen. very true. but certain things are less likely than others. like, for example, Jindal or Fiorino winning the nomination. Absolutely true...Jindal, going from Hindu to Catholic makes me wonder what else he would sell or transform himself to...just to be "one of us". Fiorino....really bad CEO, but she is a willing stooge for the GOP. All of the bad stuff about Hillary will come from her, the guys don't want to be seen playing gender politics.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2015 14:33:06 GMT -5
very true. but certain things are less likely than others. like, for example, Jindal or Fiorino winning the nomination. Absolutely true...Jindal, going from Hindu to Catholic makes me wonder what else he would sell or transform himself to...just to be "one of us". Fiorino....really bad CEO, but she is a willing stooge for the GOP. All of the bad stuff about Hillary will come from her, the guys don't want to be seen playing gender politics. i know Fiorino quite well from her Senate run in CA, which she lost in a VERY Republican year. she has no chance. the stuff that was used against her in CA will be used against her in her nomination race, if she ever appears to be a threat. @2%, she is not likely to become a threat.
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Post by Opti on Jun 27, 2015 19:38:40 GMT -5
very true. but certain things are less likely than others. like, for example, Jindal or Fiorino winning the nomination. Absolutely true...Jindal, going from Hindu to Catholic makes me wonder what else he would sell or transform himself to...just to be "one of us". Fiorino....really bad CEO, but she is a willing stooge for the GOP. All of the bad stuff about Hillary will come from her, the guys don't want to be seen playing gender politics. Robert, I had a feeling he didn't necessarily change religions for political expediency aka Newt.
Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to Amar and Raj Jindal, immigrants from Punjab, India, who came to the U.S. six months before he was born.[5] Jindal attended Baton Rouge Magnet High School, graduating in 1988 at the top of his class. While in high school, he competed in tennis tournaments, and started a computer newsletter, a retail candy business, and a mail-order software company. He spent his free time working in the stands at LSU football games.[6] Jindal was one of 50 students nationwide admitted to the Program in Liberal Medical Education (PLME) at Brown University, guaranteeing him a place in medical school. Jindal completed majors in biology and public policy. He graduated in 1991 at the age of 20, with honors in both majors.[6][7] Jindal was named to the 1992 USA Today All-USA Academic Team. He applied to and was accepted by both Harvard Medical School and Yale Law School, but studied at New College, Oxford, as a Rhodes Scholar. He received an M.Litt. degree in political science with an emphasis in health policy from the University of Oxford in 1994, where the subject of his thesis was "A needs-based approach to health care".[6] He turned down an offer to study for a D.Phil. in politics, instead joining the consulting firm McKinsey & Company.[8] He then interned in the office of Rep. Jim McCrery of Louisiana, where McCrery assigned him to work on healthcare policy; Jindal spent two weeks studying Medicare to compile an extensive report on possible solutions to Medicare's financial problems, which he presented to McCrery.[9]
As a young convert to Christianity, Jindal wrote several articles about his spiritual journey that were published in the New Oxford Review en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal
Damn on the schooling. I am jealous. FWIW, Catholicism is big in southern India.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 27, 2015 20:18:19 GMT -5
Absolutely true...Jindal, going from Hindu to Catholic makes me wonder what else he would sell or transform himself to...just to be "one of us". Fiorino....really bad CEO, but she is a willing stooge for the GOP. All of the bad stuff about Hillary will come from her, the guys don't want to be seen playing gender politics. Robert, I had a feeling he didn't necessarily change religions for political expediency aka Newt.
Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to Amar and Raj Jindal, immigrants from Punjab, India, who came to the U.S. six months before he was born.[5] Jindal attended Baton Rouge Magnet High School, graduating in 1988 at the top of his class. While in high school, he competed in tennis tournaments, and started a computer newsletter, a retail candy business, and a mail-order software company. He spent his free time working in the stands at LSU football games.[6] Jindal was one of 50 students nationwide admitted to the Program in Liberal Medical Education (PLME) at Brown University, guaranteeing him a place in medical school. Jindal completed majors in biology and public policy. He graduated in 1991 at the age of 20, with honors in both majors.[6][7] Jindal was named to the 1992 USA Today All-USA Academic Team. He applied to and was accepted by both Harvard Medical School and Yale Law School, but studied at New College, Oxford, as a Rhodes Scholar. He received an M.Litt. degree in political science with an emphasis in health policy from the University of Oxford in 1994, where the subject of his thesis was "A needs-based approach to health care".[6] He turned down an offer to study for a D.Phil. in politics, instead joining the consulting firm McKinsey & Company.[8] He then interned in the office of Rep. Jim McCrery of Louisiana, where McCrery assigned him to work on healthcare policy; Jindal spent two weeks studying Medicare to compile an extensive report on possible solutions to Medicare's financial problems, which he presented to McCrery.[9]
As a young convert to Christianity, Jindal wrote several articles about his spiritual journey that were published in the New Oxford Review en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal
Damn on the schooling. I am jealous. FWIW, Catholicism is big in southern India.
he says a surprising number of ridiculous things for a guy with this much education.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Jun 30, 2015 17:16:27 GMT -5
Absolutely true...Jindal, going from Hindu to Catholic makes me wonder what else he would sell or transform himself to...just to be "one of us". Fiorino....really bad CEO, but she is a willing stooge for the GOP. All of the bad stuff about Hillary will come from her, the guys don't want to be seen playing gender politics. i know Fiorino quite well from her Senate run in CA, which she lost in a VERY Republican year. she has no chance. the stuff that was used against her in CA will be used against her in her nomination race, if she ever appears to be a threat. @2%, she is not likely to become a threat. Christie entered toda y...how many Republican hopefuls are there, 14, or more (THE DONALD...he is actually taking himself seriously, he will sue everybody) it is a crowded race, even for a political junky. Should be interesting.
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Post by dondub on Jul 2, 2015 1:15:16 GMT -5
Snow White had nothing on this collection of dwarves.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 2, 2015 1:36:49 GMT -5
i know i have said it before, but i will say it again.....
Bush is the clear front runner, just as Romney was. and just like Romney, he is not appealing to the Tea Party wing. so, every month or so, they are going to send a knucklehead up the ladder to try to tag him. some will get close. some won't. and ultimately, unless Bush does something seriously wrong, this nomination is his to lose.
Trump is the knucklehead du mois. edit: Carson was last month's.
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Post by marvholly on Jul 2, 2015 5:55:49 GMT -5
i suspect all Trump has to do is open his mouth a few more times before most people realize what a bigoted idiot he is. I felt a few candidates suffer from foot in mouth but Trump is triumphant.
He will be gone after the early states. he offends nearly all groups. He will be too busy with all his lawsuits to continue his campaign.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 2, 2015 10:22:40 GMT -5
i suspect all Trump has to do is open his mouth a few more times before most people realize what a bigoted idiot he is. I felt a few candidates suffer from foot in mouth but Trump is triumphant.
He will be gone after the early states. he offends nearly all groups. He will be too busy with all his lawsuits to continue his campaign. Trump is an interesting test case for whether an offensive blowhard can make it in the GOP. we'll see.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 2, 2015 18:23:06 GMT -5
i suspect all Trump has to do is open his mouth a few more times before most people realize what a bigoted idiot he is. I felt a few candidates suffer from foot in mouth but Trump is triumphant.
He will be gone after the early states. he offends nearly all groups. He will be too busy with all his lawsuits to continue his campaign. Trump is an interesting test case for whether an offensive blowhard can make it in the GOP. we'll see. Well, Palin was an offensive blowhard, and she didn't make it. A lot of folks were worried what would happen if McCain kicked the bucket, so the GOP lost votes.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 2, 2015 19:08:15 GMT -5
Trump is an interesting test case for whether an offensive blowhard can make it in the GOP. we'll see. Well, Palin was an offensive blowhard, and she didn't make it. A lot of folks were worried what would happen if McCain kicked the bucket, so the GOP lost votes. i think we are going to know within a month. seriously- that little time. he will either fade in the polls once people start hearing his bullshit, or they will decide they like his bullshit, and he will stay right where he is. but keep in mind that where he is is a distant second to Bush III.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 2, 2015 19:41:36 GMT -5
i suspect all Trump has to do is open his mouth a few more times before most people realize what a bigoted idiot he is. I felt a few candidates suffer from foot in mouth but Trump is triumphant.
He will be gone after the early states. he offends nearly all groups. He will be too busy with all his lawsuits to continue his campaign. Trump is an interesting test case for whether an offensive blowhard can make it in the GOP. we'll see. How could there be any doubt? They LOVE Rush!
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 2, 2015 19:52:08 GMT -5
.. he will stay right where he is. ... djAdvocate I was hoping you would clarify a little where his support is right now. What percentage of who are supporting him? Are we talking 10% of likely GOP primary voters which is roughly what percent of Republicans which is what percent of adult Americans? Early primary state voters? Give us a larger context of the number if you would.
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