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Post by Value Buy on Jan 21, 2015 9:20:54 GMT -5
If he, Jed, came out with something along the lines of " I love my brother dearly and over all like what he did as POTUS, policies and all but I disagree with his handling of the Iraq war, his reasoning for ...that whole misguided event..sorry big brother but there you went bad.. lost it..... also not finishing up the one in Afganistan, leaving it for the next one in charge , thus spending more lives, expenses , keeping us there longer then we should have.." I wouldn't expect that but if he did , it , his candency , it would put a whole different lite on the whole thing..IMHO.. Should he say this before he gains the Republican nomination process is finished?
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 21, 2015 9:25:45 GMT -5
I agree, but we still have not taken into account the fallout for Dems from the 2014 election. Of course he expects the Republicans to drift backward in 2016, but that is not necessarily the reality. We need him to start the thread, and explain his thesis.
you really think that people (in the general sense, not specific) vote positions rather than party and candidates? how precious. Outside of the big city Democratic machine cities, where people expect the handout to come from, people do vote "local issues" in Senate contests In my state, we do elect both Republican and democrat Governors and Senators, despite the state being a predominate red state. At least here, it is the person rather than the party in the big important positions. Now Congressional members in the House, it does seem to go along party lines of the political party in charge in that area.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 21, 2015 23:16:44 GMT -5
you really think that people (in the general sense, not specific) vote positions rather than party and candidates? how precious. Outside of the big city Democratic machine cities, where people expect the handout to come from, people do vote "local issues" in Senate contests In my state, we do elect both Republican and democrat Governors and Senators, despite the state being a predominate red state. At least here, it is the person rather than the party in the big important positions. Now Congressional members in the House, it does seem to go along party lines of the political party in charge in that area.
huh. let's just say i have never found the American public to be particularly coherent in this way. this is particularly true when you scale things to the national level. all of these local issues just become part of the wallpaper, and the only things that tend to break through that are party and the economy. if this recovery holds for another two years (and that is a very big IF, imo), Democrats will be impossible to beat. if it does NOT hold, i think they are going to be pretty hard to beat, as well, just because of election demographics.
again, i forecasted the results of 2014 pretty much as soon as 2012 was over. i am doing the same thing now, because i really DO think it is that predictable.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 22, 2015 7:52:55 GMT -5
Unless the Europe and China fall into a depression from where we are, our economy will hold up. The only thing that could hurt it, is if the Republicans agree to any of Obama's ass shit requests thst he asked for this week.
Then it's all Obama's fault
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 22, 2015 16:08:09 GMT -5
Unless the Europe and China fall into a depression from where we are, our economy will hold up. The only thing that could hurt it, is if the Republicans agree to any of Obama's ass shit requests thst he asked for this week.
Then it's all Obama's fault What exactly did he ask for that are so outrageouse? Minimum wage? It's not just very young who are working for those $ but family folks, single woman with kids..todays cost of living even in the poorer States is very high.. Closing Gitmo...he quoted a $3 million per head cost to keep someone there...we have empty prisons that are just as secure..these folks imprisoned there are not superman ..noty going to escape in mass and terrorize the country side..yet GOP won't ok costs to move to states..I believe just because it's the POTUS asking for that.. Asking Congress to NOT interfere in negotiations with Iran..imposing more sanctions is interfering and in the past it was the POTUS who decided foreign policy, in charge of..according to Constitution I believe....with input from Congress and qualified folks but buck stopped at his door..it , Foreign policy, was his baby..now they want to change that..? They can't agree on every day things here and you expect a united intelligent interpetation on foreign policy? Give me a break...Do you want a possible war outbreak, and we would be involved as much as we tried to stay out of it..screaming and kicking , I believe we would be pulled in...Do you have a clue as to what War is really about..cost..losses..the smell of..the after effects of..and in todays armed forces , even with new weaponry , much smaller forces available to partake of.. Obama is NOT asking , requesting "ass shit requests".anything but..I still say and believe..the color of the guys skin still bothers and P off to many people and in many ways , beyond just the average joe..to many who are in a position to actually have some say in the countrys doings..IMHO..
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Post by dondub on Jan 22, 2015 16:45:20 GMT -5
dez,
He asked for something. That's all it takes.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 25, 2015 21:10:15 GMT -5
Unless the Europe and China fall into a depression from where we are, our economy will hold up. The only thing that could hurt it, is if the Republicans agree to any of Obama's ass shit requests thst he asked for this week.
Then it's all Obama's fault What exactly did he ask for that are so outrageouse? Minimum wage? It's not just very young who are working for those $ but family folks, single woman with kids..todays cost of living even in the poorer States is very high.. Closing Gitmo...he quoted a $3 million per head cost to keep someone there...we have empty prisons that are just as secure..these folks imprisoned there are not superman ..noty going to escape in mass and terrorize the country side..yet GOP won't ok costs to move to states..I believe just because it's the POTUS asking for that.. Asking Congress to NOT interfere in negotiations with Iran..imposing more sanctions is interfering and in the past it was the POTUS who decided foreign policy, in charge of..according to Constitution I believe....with input from Congress and qualified folks but buck stopped at his door..it , Foreign policy, was his baby..now they want to change that..? They can't agree on every day things here and you expect a united intelligent interpetation on foreign policy? Give me a break...Do you want a possible war outbreak, and we would be involved as much as we tried to stay out of it..screaming and kicking , I believe we would be pulled in...Do you have a clue as to what War is really about..cost..losses..the smell of..the after effects of..and in todays armed forces , even with new weaponry , much smaller forces available to partake of.. Obama is NOT asking , requesting "ass shit requests".anything but..I still say and believe..the color of the guys skin still bothers and P off to many people and in many ways , beyond just the average joe..to many who are in a position to actually have some say in the countrys doings..IMHO.. Dez, I resent your racist comment to me. You will say, it's a general statement not assigned to anyone, but you use to just about everyone who opposes the President here. You have no clue who or what I am. It amazes me how mods allow you to continually post generalities about people of the opposing viewpoint, and allow you to get a way with it.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 25, 2015 21:13:54 GMT -5
What exactly did he ask for that are so outrageouse? Minimum wage? It's not just very young who are working for those $ but family folks, single woman with kids..todays cost of living even in the poorer States is very high.. Closing Gitmo...he quoted a $3 million per head cost to keep someone there...we have empty prisons that are just as secure..these folks imprisoned there are not superman ..noty going to escape in mass and terrorize the country side..yet GOP won't ok costs to move to states..I believe just because it's the POTUS asking for that.. Asking Congress to NOT interfere in negotiations with Iran..imposing more sanctions is interfering and in the past it was the POTUS who decided foreign policy, in charge of..according to Constitution I believe....with input from Congress and qualified folks but buck stopped at his door..it , Foreign policy, was his baby..now they want to change that..? They can't agree on every day things here and you expect a united intelligent interpetation on foreign policy? Give me a break...Do you want a possible war outbreak, and we would be involved as much as we tried to stay out of it..screaming and kicking , I believe we would be pulled in...Do you have a clue as to what War is really about..cost..losses..the smell of..the after effects of..and in todays armed forces , even with new weaponry , much smaller forces available to partake of.. Obama is NOT asking , requesting "ass shit requests".anything but..I still say and believe..the color of the guys skin still bothers and P off to many people and in many ways , beyond just the average joe..to many who are in a position to actually have some say in the countrys doings..IMHO.. Dez, I resent your racist comment to me. You will say, it's a general statement not assigned to anyone, but you use to just about everyone who opposes the President here. You have no clue who or what I am. It amazes me how mods allow you to continually post generalities about people of the opposing viewpoint, and allow you to get a way with it.
Because no personal insult against you was made, VB. Generalities don't break the CoC or the ToS, for the most part. Personal insults directed at a poster, or any member of a poster's family, do break our CoC. I hope that clears things up for you. mmhmm, Politics Moderator
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 21:26:54 GMT -5
Unless the Europe and China fall into a depression from where we are, our economy will hold up. The only thing that could hurt it, is if the Republicans agree to any of Obama's ass shit requests thst he asked for this week.
Then it's all Obama's fault What exactly did he ask for that are so outrageouse? Minimum wage? It's not just very young who are working for those $ but family folks, single woman with kids..todays cost of living even in the poorer States is very high.. Closing Gitmo...he quoted a $3 million per head cost to keep someone there...we have empty prisons that are just as secure..these folks imprisoned there are not superman ..noty going to escape in mass and terrorize the country side..yet GOP won't ok costs to move to states..I believe just because it's the POTUS asking for that.. Asking Congress to NOT interfere in negotiations with Iran..imposing more sanctions is interfering and in the past it was the POTUS who decided foreign policy, in charge of..according to Constitution I believe....with input from Congress and qualified folks but buck stopped at his door..it , Foreign policy, was his baby..now they want to change that..? They can't agree on every day things here and you expect a united intelligent interpetation on foreign policy? Give me a break...Do you want a possible war outbreak, and we would be involved as much as we tried to stay out of it..screaming and kicking , I believe we would be pulled in...Do you have a clue as to what War is really about..cost..losses..the smell of..the after effects of..and in todays armed forces , even with new weaponry , much smaller forces available to partake of.. Obama is NOT asking , requesting "ass shit requests".anything but..I still say and believe..the color of the guys skin still bothers and P off to many people and in many ways , beyond just the average joe..to many who are in a position to actually have some say in the countrys doings..IMHO.. What he asked for is more debt for your grandchildren to pay. 13+ trillion isn't quite big enough for him or them.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 30, 2015 10:53:57 GMT -5
News media is saying Mitt will announce his intentions today! We will see.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 30, 2015 12:05:03 GMT -5
Well, Mitt backed out.
now it leaves it wide open for Christy to go after Jeb.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 30, 2015 15:24:59 GMT -5
It's going to be Bush in 2016 unless someone comes out of nowhere like Obama did when Hilary thought it was in the bag.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 30, 2015 15:38:58 GMT -5
Bush and Romney met before he made his quasi official announcement today. i can't help but think those things are related.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 30, 2015 16:30:15 GMT -5
I imagine Mitt wished him well. Several of Mitt's backers in 2012 election were already backing Bush this year.
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 30, 2015 16:38:20 GMT -5
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Post by Blonde Granny on Jan 30, 2015 16:45:53 GMT -5
Oh look, it's Bill & Hillary, or is that Billary? What a cute pair they make.
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Post by dondub on Jan 30, 2015 16:50:22 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 30, 2015 16:51:52 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 30, 2015 17:52:14 GMT -5
I imagine Mitt wished him well. Several of Mitt's backers in 2012 election were already backing Bush this year. Bush was threatening to not run if Romney did. it was actually a very clever political play on his part.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 30, 2015 20:30:22 GMT -5
Bush and Romney met before he made his quasi official announcement today. i can't help but think those things are related. I am wondering if Jeb...no promises made , but told Romney that seriouse consideration would be given to having him, Romney on the ticket as a running mate ..naturally if Milt was agreeable and also if the professionals of the party and all important folks included felt it would be a plus... A long way off and a lot could happen from now to then...In other words some strategy was being discussed now...
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 30, 2015 21:21:04 GMT -5
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Post by marvholly on Jan 31, 2015 6:56:41 GMT -5
My first thought when I heard the news about Romney dropping out was that Bush had already extracted the support (and $$) of the biggest Romney backers. Although I would NOT be surprised if Bush promised him some elected (VP)/administrative (Sec of ....)/appointed plum (judicial even though not a lawyer).
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 31, 2015 9:56:01 GMT -5
My first thought was "oh". My next thought was about dinner.
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Post by sesfw on Jan 31, 2015 11:19:32 GMT -5
I remember that. It's a pushme-pullyou from the Dr. Dolittle books.
I don't know what to think. Every one GOP tries to recruit the DEMs totally destroy. I'm still waiting to find out who is pulling bho's strings. Someday it will come out.
I like the billboard that says ....... "I will not vote for Monica's boyfriend's wife".
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 31, 2015 11:41:48 GMT -5
... I like the billboard that says ....... "I will not vote for Monica's boyfriend's wife". Each voter has to decide for themselves what factors are critical for deciding who should lead the United States in 2017 and beyond.
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Post by EVT1 on Jan 31, 2015 13:59:22 GMT -5
My first thought when I heard the news about Romney dropping out was that Bush had already extracted the support (and $$) of the biggest Romney backers. Although I would NOT be surprised if Bush promised him some elected (VP)/administrative (Sec of ....)/appointed plum (judicial even though not a lawyer). I can see that.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 31, 2015 15:20:34 GMT -5
I remember that. It's a pushme-pullyou from the Dr. Dolittle books.
I don't know what to think. Every one GOP tries to recruit the DEMs totally destroy. I'm still waiting to find out who is pulling bho's strings. Someday it will come out.
I like the billboard that says ....... "I will not vote for Monica's boyfriend's wife". why? not one of those "stand by your man" folks?
edit: I am not voting for her because she is even more pro-war than Obama. if Rand Paul is the nominee, and he doesn't back down on his non-interventionism (there are signs that he is doing precisely that), he might get my vote.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 31, 2015 15:43:18 GMT -5
I think that Jeb has an unusually good chance of winning the nomination for the same reason that I think Clinton does: spite.
nothing would piss Democrats off more than running Jeb. nothing would piss Republicans off more than running Hillary.
that is going to draw out a lot of primary votes.
this is going to be a very interesting election.
NOTE: my opinion is not shared by a lot of pundits. it is a highly personal one.
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Post by kent on Jan 31, 2015 15:49:36 GMT -5
I think that Jeb has an unusually good chance of winning the nomination for the same reason that I think Clinton does: spite.
nothing would piss Democrats off more than running Jeb. nothing would piss Republicans off more than running Hillary.
that is going to draw out a lot of primary votes.
this is going to be a very interesting election.
NOTE: my opinion is not shared by a lot of pundits. it is a highly personal one. If it gets down to a choice between the two of them, the vote will go for Hillary. I have made my prediction....
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