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Post by b2r on Dec 16, 2014 16:40:29 GMT -5
Jeb's goal in life is to give Hilary a margin of victory not seen since Reagan.
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Post by dondub on Dec 16, 2014 16:41:14 GMT -5
Nooooooooo!!!!
See what I man about the tea Party types. They would rather run Cruz, Paul, Jindal, or some other can't win righty that's going to be in over their head.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2014 16:45:17 GMT -5
Nooooooooo!!!!
See what I man about the tea Party types. They would rather run Cruz, Paul, Jindal, or some other can't win righty that's going to be in over their head. i would love to see Cruz run, given his "birth certificate issue", which is FAR worse than anyone who has run for the office in the last century.
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Post by Angel! on Dec 16, 2014 16:50:03 GMT -5
If republicans can't come up with someone better than Jeb, then I'm voting for her. I hope they can come up with someone good this year. Jeb is the front runner. the two closest contenders are Christie and Ryan. either of them appeal to you? Out of that group I would pick Christie right now. Although that may just be because I don't know enough about him . He impressed me with the way he handled Sandy, but I never heard if he was involved in that whole traffic debacle.
I would seriously look at Ryan though. That guy impresses me. I like that he came out with his own budget and takes a stand on issues. The only problem is I usually disagree with the stand he takes, which makes it hard for me to vote for him.
Why can't there be a socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate. I would vote for that person in a heartbeat.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2014 16:54:57 GMT -5
Jeb is the front runner. the two closest contenders are Christie and Ryan. either of them appeal to you? Out of that group I would pick Christie right now. Although that may just be because I don't know enough about him . He impressed me with the way he handled Sandy, but I never heard if he was involved in that whole traffic debacle.
I would seriously look at Ryan though. That guy impresses me. I like that he came out with his own budget and takes a stand on issues. The only problem is I usually disagree with the stand he takes, which makes it hard for me to vote for him.
Why can't there be a socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate. I would vote for that person in a heartbeat.
because the GOP hitched their wagon to the evangelical community in 1980, and have been unable to unhitch it. i am with you, tho. such a person would get my vote in a heartbeat.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 16, 2014 16:56:43 GMT -5
I can't stand Jeb. Gag.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2014 16:58:27 GMT -5
why, if you don't mind me asking?
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 16, 2014 16:58:58 GMT -5
Nooooooooo!!!!
See what I man about the tea Party types. They would rather run Cruz, Paul, Jindal, or some other can't win righty that's going to be in over their head. This is why I prefer Romney/BushIII ticket now. I do not want Rand Paul, Cruz, etc, anywhere near the ticket. Elect Romney then we go with Jeb eight years later
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Post by Shooby on Dec 16, 2014 17:00:10 GMT -5
Rand Paul for me!
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 16, 2014 17:01:32 GMT -5
I could see him placing his father in charge of the Fed, or even worse, Secretary of State
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2014 17:02:36 GMT -5
Nooooooooo!!!!
See what I man about the tea Party types. They would rather run Cruz, Paul, Jindal, or some other can't win righty that's going to be in over their head. This is why I prefer Romney/BushIII ticket now. I do not want Rand Paul, Cruz, etc, anywhere near the ticket. Elect Romney then we go with Jeb eight years later
i believe Romney has said he is not running again. he ran twice. once, he failed to nominate, then he failed to win. i think you can talk reasonably about BushIII, but i really don't think Romney is in the works. edit: Romney is not appearing on any tracking poll i am aware of. that is usually a pretty good indication that they are not even a dark horse.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 16, 2014 17:03:30 GMT -5
Could that be worse than Hillary?
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Post by Shooby on Dec 16, 2014 17:04:26 GMT -5
Hillary won't even win the Dem nomination. Mark this thread.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2014 17:05:19 GMT -5
Could that be worse than Hillary? could what be worse?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2014 17:05:43 GMT -5
Hillary won't even win the Dem nomination. Mark this thread. if she runs, she will win the nomination. mark this thread.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 16, 2014 17:05:53 GMT -5
I meant as secretary of state. Talk about incompetent.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 16, 2014 17:07:08 GMT -5
This is why I prefer Romney/BushIII ticket now. I do not want Rand Paul, Cruz, etc, anywhere near the ticket. Elect Romney then we go with Jeb eight years later
i believe Romney has said he is not running again. he ran twice. once, he failed to nominate, then he failed to win. i think you can talk reasonably about BushIII, but i really don't think Romney is in the works. edit: Romney is not appearing on any tracking poll i am aware of. that is usually a pretty good indication that they are not even a dark horse. dj, I know you are on top of these things, but I thought Romney was the preferred candidate right now. You sure he is not tracking at all?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2014 17:09:13 GMT -5
i believe Romney has said he is not running again. he ran twice. once, he failed to nominate, then he failed to win. i think you can talk reasonably about BushIII, but i really don't think Romney is in the works. edit: Romney is not appearing on any tracking poll i am aware of. that is usually a pretty good indication that they are not even a dark horse. dj, I know you are on top of these things, but I thought Romney was the preferred candidate right now. You sure he is not tracking at all?
positive. edit: www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.htmlto put this in perspective, Jindal is tracking. Jindal is not anywhere near a realistic candidate. Bush is leading by 4% in a field of about 10 candidates. only Christie has had a bigger lead, and not since January. Bush has lead or been tied in the last NINE POLLS on this subject, dating back to July. at this juncture, he is the man to beat.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 16, 2014 17:13:40 GMT -5
dj, I know you are on top of these things, but I thought Romney was the preferred candidate right now. You sure he is not tracking at all?
positive. to put this in perspective, Jindal is tracking. Jindal is not anywhere near a realistic candidate. Bush is leading by 4% in a field of about 10 candidates. only Christie has had a bigger lead, and not since January. Bush has lead or been tied in the last NINE POLLS on this subject, dating back to July. at this juncture, he is the man to beat. ok. I prefer Romney/Bush because I feel they could take out any Democratic ticket. I do not see Romney taking the VP slot. If Cruz or Rand Paul is on the VP SLOT, WE LOSE AGAIN. Ryan, as VP may be viable, but right now I am not sure.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2014 17:15:03 GMT -5
positive. to put this in perspective, Jindal is tracking. Jindal is not anywhere near a realistic candidate. Bush is leading by 4% in a field of about 10 candidates. only Christie has had a bigger lead, and not since January. Bush has lead or been tied in the last NINE POLLS on this subject, dating back to July. at this juncture, he is the man to beat. ok. I prefer Romney/Bush because I feel they could take out any Democratic ticket. I do not see Romney taking the VP slot. If Cruz or Rand Paul is on the VP SLOT, WE LOSE AGAIN. Ryan, as VP may be viable, but right now I am not sure.
i would wager that Romney doesn't run. so then what?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2014 17:15:40 GMT -5
Could that be worse than Hillary? sure. John Foster Dulles was probably the worst SOS in the last century. it would be hard to top him.
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Post by Angel! on Dec 16, 2014 17:17:52 GMT -5
dj, I know you are on top of these things, but I thought Romney was the preferred candidate right now. You sure he is not tracking at all?
positive. edit: www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.htmlto put this in perspective, Jindal is tracking. Jindal is not anywhere near a realistic candidate. Bush is leading by 4% in a field of about 10 candidates. only Christie has had a bigger lead, and not since January. Bush has lead or been tied in the last NINE POLLS on this subject, dating back to July. at this juncture, he is the man to beat. Wouldn't he have the hardest time of the 3 (Bush, Ryan, Christie) winning an actual election? Are republicans about to shoot themselves in the foot?
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 16, 2014 17:17:57 GMT -5
It probably didn't matter when Dulles was. Eisenhower was a shit president but it didn't matter then.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 16, 2014 17:20:14 GMT -5
ok. I prefer Romney/Bush because I feel they could take out any Democratic ticket. I do not see Romney taking the VP slot. If Cruz or Rand Paul is on the VP SLOT, WE LOSE AGAIN. Ryan, as VP may be viable, but right now I am not sure.
i would wager that Romney doesn't run. so then what? Well, maybe Ryan. Possibly Christie, but I do not see two Governors from the east coast being strong enough to carry the country, and I do not think Christie would settle for 2nd place, but it would set him up for the Presidency down the road.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 16, 2014 17:20:40 GMT -5
Jeb has officially tweeted he is thinking of running for the Presidency. All we have to do is wait for Mitt to tweet back, and we have a potential unbeatable Republican ticket in 2016. You heard it here first. Mitt/Jeb in 2016 Tweet tweet! Don't be too quick to call Bush a winner and definitely don't post poll stats. You know what happened to that other poster who went on and on about how it was in the bag for Romney and the polls supported his prediction in 2012.
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Post by Angel! on Dec 16, 2014 17:21:01 GMT -5
positive. to put this in perspective, Jindal is tracking. Jindal is not anywhere near a realistic candidate. Bush is leading by 4% in a field of about 10 candidates. only Christie has had a bigger lead, and not since January. Bush has lead or been tied in the last NINE POLLS on this subject, dating back to July. at this juncture, he is the man to beat. ok. I prefer Romney/Bush because I feel they could take out any Democratic ticket. I do not see Romney taking the VP slot. If Cruz or Rand Paul is on the VP SLOT, WE LOSE AGAIN. Ryan, as VP may be viable, but right now I am not sure.
I don't see Rand Paul as causing a loss in the VP slot. He could actually swing some votes, IMO.
Cruz, yes, Cruz will destroy any chance of winning.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2014 17:23:15 GMT -5
Wouldn't he have the hardest time of the 3 (Bush, Ryan, Christie) winning an actual election? Are republicans about to shoot themselves in the foot? i have to go, so i will offer my personal opinion on this, then bugger off: i think Ryan has the clearest shot at winning. electing another Bush after two failed Bush's is not going to happen, imo. also, he is pro-immigration, and as the New Republic points out that is a non-starter. Christie is still going to be embroiled in Bridgegate next year. mark my words. so, i really think Ryan is their man- but if Bush runs, he might win IN THE PRIMARIES. that is because there are still a LOT of people in the GOP that view Bush's presidency as a SUCCESS (because they are incapable of judging his presidency on objective standards, imo). also, they liked Jeb better than W, and want to give him a shot. but i don't. and neither does anyone who is moderate to liberal in this country, and that is a wide majority.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 16, 2014 17:24:05 GMT -5
Nooooooooo!!!!
See what I man about the tea Party types. They would rather run Cruz, Paul, Jindal, or some other can't win righty that's going to be in over their head. This is why I prefer Romney/BushIII ticket now. I do not want Rand Paul, Cruz, etc, anywhere near the ticket. Elect Romney then we go with Jeb eight years later
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 16, 2014 17:25:45 GMT -5
Wouldn't he have the hardest time of the 3 (Bush, Ryan, Christie) winning an actual election? Are republicans about to shoot themselves in the foot? Angel, are you referencing Romney? No, I do not think so. Many in America have had second thoughts on him in the last two years. There is quite a bit of buyer's remorse out there with the President. And please remember, I do not think the black vote will be as fast to come out in 2016 as they were in 2008 and 2012. If Bush is on the ticket, I believe the Hispanic vote will go to both party candidates, splitting there demographic up.
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Post by Angel! on Dec 16, 2014 17:33:28 GMT -5
Wouldn't he have the hardest time of the 3 (Bush, Ryan, Christie) winning an actual election? Are republicans about to shoot themselves in the foot? Angel, are you referencing Romney? No, I do not think so. Many in America have had second thoughts on him in the last two years. There is quite a bit of buyer's remorse out there with the President. And please remember, I do not think the black vote will be as fast to come out in 2016 as they were in 2008 and 2012. If Bush is on the ticket, I believe the Hispanic vote will go to both party candidates, splitting there demographic up.
No I meant Bush, sorry if that wasn't clear. I think Bush will have the hardest time winning the election of the three contenders DJ mentioned, although he is leading the nomination. And I was thinking this for the very reason DJ mentioned - the Bush name is hated, you can't swing independents with that name.
I don't think Romney has a shot in hell of winning an election & they are idiots if they waste their time running him again.
I think Republicans tend to get so wrapped up in their views that they forget in a general election they need to be able to cater to a larger audience. Romney & Bush don't cater to a larger audience. A Ryan/Paul ticket would be much more likely to be able to pull in a lot of fiscally conservative independents & win you an election.
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