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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 27, 2015 11:29:54 GMT -5
Trump- still leading, but his lead is down to 5% again. trailed in the latest CBS poll by 4%. is still down 4% from his September 18th peak of 30.5%. of note: Trump was polling at 24.3% on August 8th. he is now polling at an average of 26.8%. and yes, that is higher, but you would think from what you read in the press that he is absolutely soaring, and unassailable. during that time Carson has risen 16%. Carson- at the peak of his campaign, with 22% polling average. he also has his best lead over 3rd place of the campaign, at 13%. Rubio- falling back a bit, but still in 3rd. Bush- appears to have bottomed out at 7%. he has been between 7% and 10% for (2) months, now. Cruz- falling back. now in 5th. Fiorina- has not surveyed above 7% since October 1st.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 27, 2015 16:45:26 GMT -5
Jeb is supposed to be in Punta Gorda Florida on Friday. Think I will mosey over and see what he has to say, since it is after the debate tomorrow.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 27, 2015 16:49:16 GMT -5
Jeb is supposed to be in Punta Gorda Florida on Friday. Think I will mosey over and see what he has to say, since it is after the debate tomorrow. people think i am nuts for saying this, but i still think he has a chance. look, Carson was at 5.8% in AUGUST. there is no reason that Bush could not be 20%+ by Feb. but he has to change the game quick or a bunch of people have to leave the race for that to happen.
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Post by dondub on Oct 28, 2015 0:54:57 GMT -5
I concur. He has the name recognition and a large war chest and a cadre of experienced hands at the ready.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 29, 2015 7:17:48 GMT -5
Did I just write that last post?
After last nights anemic debate performance by Bush I don't know. He didn't help himself there AT ALL. I know it was not a real "debate", and I know some people shine in different ways, and I know that he's not flashy (one of the things I do like about him), but he needed to at least make his presence felt last night. He did not, imo.
After an early and somewhat curious attack on Rubio (which Marco parried quite well) Bush seemed to withdraw into the podium he stood behind. The look on his face often reminded me of the disdainful look that Al Gore carried in his debate performance with Bush years ago (not helpful) His response to the typical CNBC gotcha question seemed whiny and ill composed. If this wasn't the legacy guy no one would have even noticed him. Zzzzz
Iowa is not his friend. How does he hang in there until the middle primaries and last long enough to build some Mo? Whew. He is off to NH today. He obviously thinks that is potentially friendly territory, and maybe he's right. At least it's friendlier than Iowa.
He really needs some wind in his sails though, or all of the other guys to implode. If I'm behind six guys in a golf tournament I can hope for one or two to have issues. But if I'm to catch the other four I need to do something myself. Can he just tread water and hang in, hoping to be the last person standing? I just wrote on another thread, I though Jeb's problem is he has not debated in over a decade, and then it was on the state level where there were probably only maybe two other people discussing state of Florida issues. That is easy compared to a free for all with nine others trying to shoot each other, with the moderators joining in on the personal attacks. Everyone else up there has been debating for years. Even Trump had a debate show where he was the moderator. Jeb's handlers have to put him back in the University classroom of "debate 101".
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Jeb Quits Race with “Mission Accomplished” BannerMIAMI (The Borowitz Report)—Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush announced that he was dropping out of the race for the Republican Presidential nomination, while standing in front of a “Mission Accomplished” banner draped over the façade of his campaign headquarters, in Miami. Speaking to his remaining staff members who were seated in a dozen folding chairs, Bush thanked them for the hard work that led to the triumphant completion of their mission. “Our work is done,” Bush said. “Thanks to you, we have prevailed.” While acknowledging that he took pride in the impressive success of his campaign, Bush stressed that victory did not belong to him alone. “This is a great day for America,” he said. Upon the conclusion of his remarks, Bush bade farewell to his staffers with a military-style salute before stepping into a waiting helicopter and ascending to the skies. Minutes after Bush flew away, however, reporters asked senior Bush staffers to define more clearly the mission that Bush had deemed accomplished. “We feel really good about the work we did, our ground game, getting the word out about Jeb’s accomplishments as a conservative Governor in Florida,” said Bush’s campaign manager, Danny Diaz, who added, “Please, just leave me alone.” Jeb Quits Race with “Mission Accomplished” Banner
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Jeb Bush Inching Podium Closer To Center Of Stage During Commercial BreaksBOULDER, CO—Speculating that he might be nudging it just a tiny bit with his foot or something, Americans viewing Wednesday’s Republican presidential debate said that candidate Jeb Bush appeared to be inching his podium closer to the center of the stage during the commercial breaks. “I definitely don’t think he was standing that close to the middle before,” said Phoenix resident Jim Rawson, adding that over the course of four commercial breaks, it seemed as if Bush had closed the gap between himself and the center-stage candidates by at least a foot. “I mean, I’m not imagining this, am I?” At press time, Bush was hastily dragging his podium to its original spot after audibly scraping it against that of fellow candidate Ben Carson. The Onion: Jeb Bush Inching Podium Closer To Center Of Stage During Commercial Breaks
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 31, 2015 12:05:02 GMT -5
Trump- is still doing quite well, and up 5% Carson- at his best level of the campaign, and above where Trump was in August Rubio- within 1% of his highest level since June, but 13% behind Carson Cruz- within 1.5% of his highest level since June, and now ahead of Bush Bush- barely has a pulse. i can't fathom how he will get back in this without a terrible collapse of one of the front runners. Fiorina- her support has fallen 50% in the last month. she also barely has a pulse.
as of today, i would say that Carson and Trump are first tier. nobody is even close.
i would put Cruz and Rubio on second tier, not so much because they are doing a lot better than Bush and Fiorina. they aren't. but they only need a bit more support to be running as well as they have in the campaign, and that is saying something.
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Not so much what the voters think- it is what the donors think. thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/258742-billionaire-gop-donor-to-support-rubio"Billionaire investor Paul Singer will be raising money for Sen. Marco Rubio’s (R-Fla.) presidential campaign, The New York Times reported Friday evening. Singer sent a letter to other Republican donors Friday calling Rubio the only GOP candidate who can “navigate this complex primary process, and still be in a position to defeat” Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, according to the report. Singer is a longtime Republican donor who contributed to former President George W. Bush’s campaigns and to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group dedicated to attacking John Kerry when he ran against Bush for president in 2004." I still think it will be Bush- but I could see Rubio happen. I just cannot fathom the GOP allowing Trump or Carson to be the nominee- or Cruz either. About time they recognize their current base for what it is.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 1, 2015 14:56:40 GMT -5
Not so much what the voters think- it is what the donors think. thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/258742-billionaire-gop-donor-to-support-rubio"Billionaire investor Paul Singer will be raising money for Sen. Marco Rubio’s (R-Fla.) presidential campaign, The New York Times reported Friday evening. Singer sent a letter to other Republican donors Friday calling Rubio the only GOP candidate who can “navigate this complex primary process, and still be in a position to defeat” Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton, according to the report. Singer is a longtime Republican donor who contributed to former President George W. Bush’s campaigns and to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group dedicated to attacking John Kerry when he ran against Bush for president in 2004." I still think it will be Bush- but I could see Rubio happen. I just cannot fathom the GOP allowing Trump or Carson to be the nominee- or Cruz either. About time they recognize their current base for what it is. i think Bush is in serious trouble. he needed a GOOD debate to get back in this. he had a TERRIBLE one. this is a very interesting development. i honestly thought he would last it out, and that Trump wouldn't, and now both of those ideas have serious doubts attached.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 1, 2015 15:10:55 GMT -5
miserable result for Bush and Fiorina. the deterioration noted above continues: www.politico.com/story/2015/10/trump-carson-post-debate-poll-215408In a survey of Republicans and Republican-leaning independent voters, Trump and Carson both earned 26 percent, while Cruz took 10 percent. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio followed with 9 percent, trailed by former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (5 percent), Carly Fiorina (4 percent) and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul (all at 2 percent). i believe that the polling error is 3% on this, which means that Bush and Fiorina are officially out of polling error, and third tier. amazing. First Tier = Trump and Carson Second Tier = Cruz and Rubio Third Tier = Bush and Fiorina
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 2, 2015 10:25:14 GMT -5
miserable result for Bush and Fiorina. the deterioration noted above continues: www.politico.com/story/2015/10/trump-carson-post-debate-poll-215408In a survey of Republicans and Republican-leaning independent voters, Trump and Carson both earned 26 percent, while Cruz took 10 percent. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio followed with 9 percent, trailed by former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (5 percent), Carly Fiorina (4 percent) and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul (all at 2 percent). i believe that the polling error is 3% on this, which means that Bush and Fiorina are officially out of polling error, and third tier. amazing. First Tier = Trump and Carson Second Tier = Cruz and Rubio Third Tier = Bush and Fiorina I started this thread in December of 2014. I might have to delete the thread in December (or even November) of 2015 if Jeb does not get cracking. Shameful campaign for him so far. And it all starts with his last name. It's as haunting as Dr Mudd of the Lincoln assassination at this point. He is rebooting his campaign officially today, and he did have one of his senior campaign person resign last week. Hopefully he parted because Jeb got some backbone and said we are going in another direction.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 2, 2015 11:15:00 GMT -5
miserable result for Bush and Fiorina. the deterioration noted above continues: www.politico.com/story/2015/10/trump-carson-post-debate-poll-215408In a survey of Republicans and Republican-leaning independent voters, Trump and Carson both earned 26 percent, while Cruz took 10 percent. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio followed with 9 percent, trailed by former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (5 percent), Carly Fiorina (4 percent) and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul (all at 2 percent). i believe that the polling error is 3% on this, which means that Bush and Fiorina are officially out of polling error, and third tier. amazing. First Tier = Trump and Carson Second Tier = Cruz and Rubio Third Tier = Bush and Fiorina I started this thread in December of 2014. I might have to delete the thread in December (or even November) of 2015 if Jeb does not get cracking. Shameful campaign for him so far. And it all starts with his last name. It's as haunting as Dr Mudd of the Lincoln assassination at this point. He is rebooting his campaign officially today, and he did have one of his senior campaign person resign last week. Hopefully he parted because Jeb got some backbone and said we are going in another direction. Jeb is making another strategic blunder, even as i type this. he is thinking that Bush's nominal post-presidency popularity means that he no longer has to distance himself from his disastrous regime. then again, if he is right, and i am wrong, it will change his fortunes. and since nothing else has worked, what has he got to lose, other than his pride, his honor, and his name?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 2, 2015 11:17:03 GMT -5
Perhaps Bush's best move right now is to go away for a bit. Let all of this pass over and the media glare move on to the next big story.
Ignore Iowa. Steer right clear of it.
Focus on NH and Carolina and stake his last comeback effort on victories, or at least good showings there, and hope to propel himself back into it from there.
It's been done before. indeed it has. besides, let's be honest for a moment. the Iowa process is so corrupt, one might be safer avoiding it.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 2, 2015 12:07:28 GMT -5
... Yup, I'd say he misfired on all cylinders. Further evidence.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 2, 2015 12:08:48 GMT -5
Jeb Let's see, homeland security? Greatest disaster since Pearl Harbor. Check
Domestic Policy? Economic meltdown and fiscal deficits to the moon. Check
Foreign Policy? Unwinnable but avoidable war and loss of international standing and prestige. Check
Yup, I'd say he misfired on all cylinders.
he was the worst president since Harding. if anyone thinks otherwise, they have no sense of history.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 2, 2015 12:10:21 GMT -5
this debate was good for Rubio and Cruz, and bad for everyone else, imo. the polls will probably reflect that.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 2, 2015 15:00:36 GMT -5
this debate was good for Rubio and Cruz, and bad for everyone else, imo. the polls will probably reflect that. I thought that both Christie and Fiorino did alright too, but again, just imo. I am just shocked the moderators forgot the (A) word. How did they not mention abortion to totally have Cruz not walk off the stage?
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Post by b2r on Nov 2, 2015 16:11:35 GMT -5
Constipated? Jeb Can Fix It!
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Post by Shooby on Nov 2, 2015 19:41:10 GMT -5
Jeb can fix it. That's his slogan? That's freaking lame.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 2, 2015 19:43:42 GMT -5
The slogan is stupid on soooo many levels. First of all, He makes it about him versus " Make America great again" or the Hopey Change. He can fix it? Or he WILL fix it? He's just lame. He doesnt have any swag.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 2, 2015 19:54:14 GMT -5
The slogan is stupid on soooo many levels. First of all, He makes it about him versus " Make America great again" or the Hopey Change. He can fix it? Or he WILL fix it? He's just lame. He doesnt have any swag. fix WHAT? is my question. he can't even seem to fix his campaign.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 2, 2015 20:24:21 GMT -5
Trump +3%. Carson is closing fast! Carson is now 14% ahead of Rubio. Rubio- going nowhere in 3rd at 10% Cruz- also going sideways in 4th at 7% Bush- also going sideways in 5th at 7% Fiorina- is in jeopardy of falling off the 3rd tier into the abyss. she was in a FOUR WAY TIE for 6th in the latest poll. pathetic.
Tier 1: Trump and Carson Tier 2: Rubio and Cruz Tier 3: Bush and Fiorina
if things keep going as they have been, i am going to drop Cruz to tier 3, and drop Fiorina off the radar.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 2, 2015 20:57:12 GMT -5
It's Jeb campaign reset #5: Jeb Can Fix It. It's like the guy is asking to be mocked.
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Post by Shooby on Nov 2, 2015 21:40:09 GMT -5
Jeb the Builder! Can he fix it? Yes he can!
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Post by Shooby on Nov 3, 2015 13:21:33 GMT -5
Nobody likes you Jeb! Face it!
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