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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 6, 2015 12:10:37 GMT -5
They should have had 72 hours to turn over bin Laden, or Kabul goes up in a radioactive cloud. Yes, let's mass murder millions of women and children from our born again Christian pro-life pedestal, creating a 1000 year jihad. Complete idiocy. What we should have done is hunt and killed bin laden instead of calling that off and concentrating on Iraq. You even had the conservative Repo POTUS blowing it off as unimportant while Bin laden escaped across the frontier. yeah. you are worried about squandering billions in Iraq, that is what you are worried about.....asshat.
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Post by dondub on Oct 6, 2015 12:13:02 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 6, 2015 12:42:52 GMT -5
They should have had 72 hours to turn over bin Laden, or Kabul goes up in a radioactive cloud. Yes, let's mass murder millions of women and children from our born again Christian pro-life pedestal, creating a 1000 year jihad. Complete idiocy. What we should have done is hunt and killed bin laden instead of calling that off and concentrating on Iraq. You even had the conservative Repo POTUS blowing it off as unimportant while Bin laden escaped across the frontier. War is hell. If you hate war, then a national policy of "don't start no shit, won't be no shit" is highly advisable.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 6, 2015 13:34:24 GMT -5
They should have had 72 hours to turn over bin Laden, or Kabul goes up in a radioactive cloud. Yes, let's mass murder millions of women and children from our born again Christian pro-life pedestal, creating a 1000 year jihad. Complete idiocy. What we should have done is hunt and killed bin laden instead of calling that off and concentrating on Iraq. You even had the conservative Repo POTUS blowing it off as unimportant while Bin laden escaped across the frontier. War is hell. If you hate war, then a national policy of "don't start no shit, won't be no shit" is highly advisable. agreed. we need to stop starting shit.
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Post by dondub on Oct 6, 2015 13:46:26 GMT -5
War is hell. If you hate war, then a national policy of "don't start no shit, won't be no shit" is highly advisable.
The innocent civilians of Kabul, who you would so gladly mass murder in your jingoistic bloodlust, didn't start "shit'. In turn, we did start "shit" in Iraq, a long time plan of the conservatives at PNAC, and what a boondoggle that has turned out to be. So perhaps your team should take your advice, but I doubt it. Too much money to be made by the Halliburtons and Carlyle Groups of the world.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 7, 2015 6:37:33 GMT -5
if Trump really is the guy who would push the button, he should be kept as far away from it as possible. Making way for the new Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 7, 2015 8:41:38 GMT -5
from the poll:
Donald Trump is ahead among Republicans in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, while former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton holds her leads but loses ground among Democrats in all three states, but Vice President Joseph Biden and Dr. Ben Carson are the best general election candidates in these key swing states, according to a Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll released today.
Clinton and Trump continue to have the worst overall favorability ratings among all voters of any of the leading candidates, and the lowest scores for being honest and trustworthy, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds. The Swing State Poll focuses on Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania because since 1960 no candidate has won the presidential race without taking at least two of these three states.
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Ohio Gov. John Kasich both are losing their native son support among Republicans, while the leading contenders for the Republican nomination in these swing states are non-government candidates Trump and Carson and to a lesser degree Carly Fiorina.
And get this......later in the article it shows Trump is burying Kasich in Ohio, Kasich's home state.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 7, 2015 14:23:52 GMT -5
from the poll: Donald Trump is ahead among Republicans in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania, while former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton holds her leads but loses ground among Democrats in all three states, but Vice President Joseph Biden and Dr. Ben Carson are the best general election candidates in these key swing states, according to a Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll released today. Clinton and Trump continue to have the worst overall favorability ratings among all voters of any of the leading candidates, and the lowest scores for being honest and trustworthy, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds. The Swing State Poll focuses on Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania because since 1960 no candidate has won the presidential race without taking at least two of these three states. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Ohio Gov. John Kasich both are losing their native son support among Republicans, while the leading contenders for the Republican nomination in these swing states are non-government candidates Trump and Carson and to a lesser degree Carly Fiorina. And get this......later in the article it shows Trump is burying Kasich in Ohio, Kasich's home state. Walker was ahead in most of those states earlier in the year. Bush was ahead for a while. the front runner nationally is generally ahead in state polls (not to make a duh statement), and the situation is quite fluid. in other words, what we are seeing right now and what we will see in FIVE MONTHS when these primaries are held will likely be wildly different.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 7, 2015 14:25:43 GMT -5
i just love all of this confidence for a candidate that will likely be running 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th when these primaries roll around.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 7, 2015 14:29:45 GMT -5
using PA as an example: Christie lead in PA for OVER A YEAR. Walker lead in PA for three months. Trump has lead for precisely ONE MONTH. this is like mooring your boat at high tide is shallow water, imo.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 7, 2015 14:40:53 GMT -5
Trump
the new PPP poll has him +10% again, and his best poll result in 3 weeks. looks like that IBD poll is an "outlier".
Carson
all alone in second, still.....
Fiorina Rubio Bush Cruz
really good poll for Rubio. his best result since JUNE, and he looks poised to move into 3rd place. Bush was also in double figures for the first time in 2 weeks. bad survey for Fiorina. she placed 6th behind Cruz on this one.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 8, 2015 18:09:14 GMT -5
i just love all of this confidence for a candidate that will likely be running 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th when these primaries roll around. Are you referring about confidence in the poll numbers, or confidence from me? For the record, Trump is not my choice. He just happens to be leading the pack right now.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 8, 2015 23:46:51 GMT -5
i just love all of this confidence for a candidate that will likely be running 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th when these primaries roll around. Are you referring about confidence in the poll numbers, or confidence from me? For the record, Trump is not my choice. He just happens to be leading the pack right now. no, i wasn't really even thinking of you when i wrote this. the media is (or was) falling over itself to anoint Trump Emperor. it won't last. in fact, it is already coming apart.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 11, 2015 13:41:30 GMT -5
Trump
leading by 5%, has polled well this last week, with the exception of the IBD poll. his gap is narrowing, but steadily outside of polling error. Carson
solidly in 2nd, has polled well this last week. has gained 2% on Trump since the 1st, and has a commanding 8% lead over Rubio. Rubio
surveyed well with IBD and PPP, but poorly with CBS. however, he is also now ahead of Fiorina in terms of polling averages Fiorina
the USAT poll which had her tied for 2nd two weeks ago is starting to look like a fluke. her poll numbers are way down in the 3 surveys since then, and she has fallen further since September 24th than any other candidate. Bush Bush is again at his lowest level of the campaign, and just inches ahead of Cruz.
Cruz
Cruz had his best showing since AUGUST in the latest CBS poll, and has generally been trending higher, finally. with any luck, he will pass Bush in the next few weeks.
the folks listed below should drop out, as i have said before. i don't think any of them have any realistic chance of winning. Kasich Paul Christie Huckabee Santorum Jindal Graham Pataki
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 11, 2015 13:53:38 GMT -5
Jeb has officially tweeted he is thinking of running for the Presidency.
All we have to do is wait for Mitt to tweet back, and we have a potential unbeatable Republican ticket in 2016.
You heard it here first.
Mitt/Jeb in 2016
Tweet tweet!
That was the first post, how the mighty have fallen.
I remember his mom saying the country has had enough Bushes, how right she was.
good for perspective, but for the record, in a field this deep and strange, i still think he has a chance.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 11, 2015 13:54:36 GMT -5
NOTE: i just noticed that Kasich has risen to the top of the 4th tier. i don't think it means ANYTHING, it is just an interesting footnote.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 13, 2015 19:47:28 GMT -5
NOTE: i just noticed that Kasich has risen to the top of the 4th tier. i don't think it means ANYTHING, it is just an interesting footnote. I disagree. I think he will rise in the weeks to come. I do not expect him to win the nomination, but would not be surprised to see him given the VP nomination
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 14, 2015 13:48:16 GMT -5
Trump
flatlining, but still leading outside of polling error (4%). has been in single digit lead or less in 10 of the last 12 polls. Carson
still rising. now up 3% this month, and only 4% back of Trump. Rubio Fiorina Bush Cruz
no real changes in 3rd tier, except that Cruz just had his best poll result since APRIL, and is now a miniscule 0.3% behind Bush. Fiorina's numbers continue to fall, no doubt on the basis of her continual stream of lying.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 14, 2015 13:49:06 GMT -5
NOTE: i just noticed that Kasich has risen to the top of the 4th tier. i don't think it means ANYTHING, it is just an interesting footnote. I disagree. I think he will rise in the weeks to come. I do not expect him to win the nomination, but would not be surprised to see him given the VP nomination i hope you are right, but he is now 4% behind Cruz. not good. footnote: Cruz has been THIRD in the last TWO surveys. best showing for him since April.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 19, 2015 13:17:02 GMT -5
Trump +2.5% = within polling error of Carson in the last (3) weeks. Carson +11% over RUBIO. nobody is anywhere close to this guy. Rubio +2.3% over CRUZ. Cruz = TIED WITH BUSH. Bush = still sinking Fiorina = had her 15 minutes and is sinking in the cesspool of her own lying.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 19, 2015 15:55:57 GMT -5
I am honestly very surprised about Bush.
He reminds me much more of his dad and less of his brother. Much more thoughtful and, frankly, smarter. I had assumed he would be far and away the front runner at this point.
Of course, I never expected Trump to do as well as he has. I still can't figure that one out.
It seems obvious to me that, should Trump actually get elected, he would spent his time in office pushing through things that benefit himself. He's been a successful businessman his whole life by practicing the strategy of doing what's best for himself and his businesses (which is what a good businessman does) - I don't see him turning that off once he hits the Oval Office.
That plus the chaos he would cause in international relations - I can't see him going a month without insulting some strategic ally.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 19, 2015 16:13:05 GMT -5
... That plus the chaos he would cause in international relations - I can't see him going a month without insulting some strategic ally. I think he would be keeping our professional diplomats quite busy but I am sure other leaders have an understanding of loud mouth business man syndrome. I am sure they have them in their countries. They will play it to their advantage no doubt.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 19, 2015 17:42:39 GMT -5
I am honestly very surprised about Bush. He reminds me much more of his dad and less of his brother. Much more thoughtful and, frankly, smarter. I had assumed he would be far and away the front runner at this point. Of course, I never expected Trump to do as well as he has. I still can't figure that one out. It seems obvious to me that, should Trump actually get elected, he would spent his time in office pushing through things that benefit himself. He's been a successful businessman his whole life by practicing the strategy of doing what's best for himself and his businesses (which is what a good businessman does) - I don't see him turning that off once he hits the Oval Office. That plus the chaos he would cause in international relations - I can't see him going a month without insulting some strategic ally. i can't see him going more than another month leading in the polls. what puzzles Paul about statements like that is that he is thinking "who else is going to beat him"? and i don't know the answer to that. i think Carson has a good chance of topping him. i think that Rubio could make a run for it. i think Cruz has a chance. and i still think Bush is not out of the running. i honestly thought Fiorina was going to topple him- but she said some really stupid things. there is no way she comes back from them, imo.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 21, 2015 23:59:18 GMT -5
Trump- had a good week, is back up 6%, and outside of polling error in the lead. Carson- frozen in 2nd. still doing well, but not gaining on Trump. tho he has widened his lead over Rubio to 12% Rubio- has lost some steam, and is now down into the 3rd tier with the rest of the kennel. Cruz- now exactly halfway between Bush and Rubio in 4th. Bush- at a new low point in his campaign, he has fallen to 5th, and he is just a whisker away from being out, imo. except for his bank account. Fiorina- has lost more ground than any of the above. now in 6th, and falling. rapidly. making Bush look good. 15 seconds from being done.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 22, 2015 8:33:42 GMT -5
Bush has his bank account and his family and personal connections. That, along with expectation that he would conduct himself well in the General Election, could still be enough.
But so far he is a listless campaigner, who has not handled his negatives well, and he does not appeal to his party's base.
Should jebby not make the grade that is leaving it seems more and more....Trump?
Nah, it could still be Rubio's to lose.
Cruz has a shot, too. and don't forget, there are something like 15 running right now. if that number drops to 5, then those votes (about 10-20%) will be distributed among who is left. most of the people who are likely to drop out are mainstream Republicans, so the vote SHOULD go to Rubio, Cruz, and Bush- but who knows? if even half of the vote that is out there among the minor players goes to Rubio, say- we would have a very good three way battle in the GOP.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 22, 2015 8:38:26 GMT -5
Bush has his bank account and his family and personal connections. That, along with expectation that he would conduct himself well in the General Election, could still be enough.
But so far he is a listless campaigner, who has not handled his negatives well, and he does not appeal to his party's base.
Should jebby not make the grade that is leaving it seems more and more....Trump?
Nah, it could still be Rubio's to lose.
i am trying to go easy on Cruz because he has better credentials than either of the front runners. edit: Rubio polls quite well against Clinton, for the record.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 22, 2015 9:05:09 GMT -5
Actually, Carson starts to intrigue me more and more. Not so much for himself, but for the motivations behind his supporters. Just what do they see in him? The admirable skills of a neurosurgeon? (so what, really) The quiet competency of a brilliant administrator? (maybe) The religious fervor? (for some.... I'm quite sure) The "newness" factor? (Again.... for some)
I guess I don't get the meteoric attraction.
he is actually pretty calm and unflappable. that is quite attractive.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 23, 2015 13:22:57 GMT -5
forgive me for saying so, but this is really weird. he brought in close to $100M since the campaign started. where did it all go?
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