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Post by The Captain on Dec 10, 2014 15:10:31 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/jessica-chambers-19-year-old-woman-doused-with-lighter-fluid-and-burned-alive-in-the-us/ar-BBgBgna“They squirted lighter fluid down her throat and in her nose, and apparently they knocked her out,” Ben Chambers told television station WDBD-TV. “She had a big gash on top of her head. “When the fire department got there, she was walking down the road on fire ... only part of her body that wasn't burned was the bottom of her feet.” Mr Chambers, who works for the Panola Country Sheriff's Department as a mechanic, said she used her last breaths to try and tell paramedics who attacked her, although police said they could not confirm the claim." If the evidence of the animal who did this to this poor lady is conclusive, I'd have zero problem flipping the switch myself.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Dec 10, 2014 15:23:03 GMT -5
I need to stop reading these boards. I'm getting depressed over these disgusting, cruel and very sick stories. That poor, poor woman. And little boy who was a cheerleader and all the other horrific stories...
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Post by The Captain on Dec 10, 2014 15:28:34 GMT -5
Sorry about that Peace Of Mind. Didn't mean to get you down. I just get so...can't describe it when I see this stuff. It's stuff like this that will make me NEVER understand how someone can say the death penalty should never apply.
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Post by Opti on Dec 10, 2014 15:45:16 GMT -5
This is horrible and one of the problems with horrific crimes. Lack of conclusive proof usually.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 10, 2014 15:48:29 GMT -5
I am one that does not believe the government should be putting people to death.
This is fucked up, though.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Dec 10, 2014 15:48:44 GMT -5
Sorry about that Peace Of Mind. Didn't mean to get you down. I just get so...can't describe it when I see this stuff. It's stuff like this that will make me NEVER understand how someone can say the death penalty should never apply. You didn't do anything wrong. I decided to click on it. I saw the headline on MSN but when you guys make a thread I always like your thoughts and comments so I'll brave it and read it. But this one did me in. I just can't comprehend doing this to somebody or what that poor thing went through. And her family and right before the holidays... incomprehensible. What is wrong with people?!
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 10, 2014 16:07:01 GMT -5
Where the murder took place is a suburban county of ours. This has been the top news story the past few days. Horrible crime.
My aunt was murder by being burned to death. After beating her down by slamming her dining room chairs over her back, the home intruder then set her bed clothes on fire. Her bed clothes got the wooden floors beneath her to slowly burn and she roasted to death.
Death by burning is a horrible way to go.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 10, 2014 16:56:25 GMT -5
Sorry about that Peace Of Mind. Didn't mean to get you down. I just get so...can't describe it when I see this stuff. It's stuff like this that will make me NEVER understand how someone can say the death penalty should never apply. But that won't stop me from again attempting to explain my belief on the topic. IM(not so)HO, killing in anything other than the immediate defense of life is wrong. Some people think that it is okay to kill based on what they perceive as justifiable criteria other than defense of life. You have your criteria. The person who did the killing in the story from the OP has his/hers. I don't have any other criteria for killing someone. I will not allow anyone to push me to violate my moral code, no matter how hard they push.
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Post by mroped on Dec 10, 2014 22:10:37 GMT -5
I'm good with the sentence/sentencing. Anyone should be afforded a fair trial and be heard and judged by a jury of his/her peers. But once guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt that he /she acted with malicious intent then the sentence should be carried out in a timely fashion. And I'm talking of days at most not years. Death row inmates are very very expensive! And what it doesn't make sense to me is the fact that we are looking for "humane ways" to carry out the sentence. Did the killer in his act stop to ask himself how bad it hurts what he does? Don't think so so why bother? behind the wood shed, take turns,wait patiently for yours two bullets! We are in recession so anything else is expensive! i believe in "eye for an eye" so if you intentionally killed you deserve and should die. but as I stated "beyond reasonable doubt"
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Post by Shooby on Dec 10, 2014 22:17:18 GMT -5
Awful.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 10, 2014 22:19:58 GMT -5
We need the death penalty. This type of evil must be extinguished and obliterated.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 10, 2014 23:00:22 GMT -5
There is a death penalty. Unfortunately the person who's sentenced to death sits on death row for months (and sometimes years) going through appeals and being kept clothed and fed. Is that fair to the victim?
The death penalty, when a prisoner is sentenced beyond reasonable doubt, should be carried out without delays or appeals.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 10, 2014 23:15:13 GMT -5
There is a death penalty. Unfortunately the person who's sentenced to death sits on death row for months (and sometimes years) ... In the US, the minimum length of time from sentencing to execution for those killed so far in 2014 is 8 years. www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/execution-list-2014
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 10, 2014 23:37:10 GMT -5
your link doesn't work - but going by your post, 8 years is a ridiculous length of time for a person to sit on death row if they're proved beyond reasonable doubt of being guilty and sentenced to death.
Follow through on the sentencing given, instead of spending time and resources/money on keeping the scum alive.
Charles Manson come to mind? He's still alive - and being fed and clothed - Or Bundy? Ted Bundy managed to delay his execution for 10 years.
David Berkowitz never did get executed. Jeffrey Dahmer would also still be sitting in prison today on if another inmate hadn't taken him out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 23:46:55 GMT -5
Manson's Death Sentence was actually commuted to "Life in Prison, without possibility of parole".
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 10, 2014 23:49:23 GMT -5
your link doesn't work - but going by your post, 8 years is a ridiculous length of time for a person to sit on death row if they're proved beyond reasonable doubt of being guilty and sentenced to death.
Follow through on the sentencing given, instead of spending time and resources/money on keeping the scum alive.
Charles Manson come to mind? He's still alive - and being fed and clothed - Or Bundy? Ted Bundy managed to delay his execution for 10 years.
David Berkowitz never did get executed. Jeffrey Dahmer would also still be sitting in prison today on if another inmate hadn't taken him out. link Trying again. Note, if it works, the longest was 30 years.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 10, 2014 23:56:12 GMT -5
your link doesn't work - but going by your post, 8 years is a ridiculous length of time for a person to sit on death row if they're proved beyond reasonable doubt of being guilty and sentenced to death.
Follow through on the sentencing given, instead of spending time and resources/money on keeping the scum alive.
Charles Manson come to mind? He's still alive - and being fed and clothed - Or Bundy? Ted Bundy managed to delay his execution for 10 years.
David Berkowitz never did get executed. Jeffrey Dahmer would also still be sitting in prison today on if another inmate hadn't taken him out. I would like to see them hauled out of court and ripped apart by hand by all who desire blood revenge. I abhor that we kill them "humanely" as if we were civilized.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 11, 2014 0:04:30 GMT -5
Families of the victims get first crack at them.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2014 0:05:42 GMT -5
Families of the victims get first crack at them. Televised.
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Post by EVT1 on Dec 11, 2014 4:01:07 GMT -5
There is a death penalty. Unfortunately the person who's sentenced to death sits on death row for months (and sometimes years) going through appeals and being kept clothed and fed. Is that fair to the victim?
The death penalty, when a prisoner is sentenced beyond reasonable doubt, should be carried out without delays or appeals. Good luck changing the Constitution. Until then it is going to remain a long and expensive process as it should be- the government killing a citizen should not be easy.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 11, 2014 6:07:38 GMT -5
It isn't easy. It's called a Jury of your Peers. But, yeah, the govt is killing people. Cops kill people for violating even the most mundane and minor laws like selling cigs. But, executing murderers, I have no problem with that.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 11, 2014 7:36:52 GMT -5
I think the constitution requires a speedy trial by your peers. Not that you can sit for years at taxpayer expense while your victim's family receives no closure.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 11, 2014 7:52:38 GMT -5
Sorry about that Peace Of Mind. Didn't mean to get you down. I just get so...can't describe it when I see this stuff. It's stuff like this that will make me NEVER understand how someone can say the death penalty should never apply. But that won't stop me from again attempting to explain my belief on the topic. IM(not so)HO, killing in anything other than the immediate defense of life is wrong. Some people think that it is okay to kill based on what they perceive as justifiable criteria other than defense of life. You have your criteria. The person who did the killing in the story from the OP has his/hers. I don't have any other criteria for killing someone. I will not allow anyone to push me to violate my moral code, no matter how hard they push. On one level I truly admire the purity of conviction, I really do. It's something I obviously don't have or understand.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 11, 2014 10:31:56 GMT -5
But that won't stop me from again attempting to explain my belief on the topic. IM(not so)HO, killing in anything other than the immediate defense of life is wrong. Some people think that it is okay to kill based on what they perceive as justifiable criteria other than defense of life. You have your criteria. The person who did the killing in the story from the OP has his/hers. I don't have any other criteria for killing someone. I will not allow anyone to push me to violate my moral code, no matter how hard they push. On one level I truly admire the purity of conviction, I really do. It's something I obviously don't have or understand. I think that the whole situation is one of the top five most difficult of human existence. On one level I truly don't like my "purity of conviction."
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Post by EVT1 on Dec 11, 2014 12:58:53 GMT -5
I think the constitution requires a speedy trial by your peers. Not that you can sit for years at taxpayer expense while your victim's family receives no closure. And due process- you can't make exceptions for death penalty cases.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 18:51:26 GMT -5
I think the constitution requires a speedy trial by your peers. Not that you can sit for years at taxpayer expense while your victim's family receives no closure. And due process- you can't make exceptions for death penalty cases. I agree with "due" process. I don't agree with "excessive and delaying, unnecessarily wasteful" process.
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Post by EVT1 on Dec 11, 2014 20:04:00 GMT -5
I don't either (well, except for death penalty cases because I am against it).
But such is the system we have- I am sure people that are injured or screwed over by corporations don't like having to wait around years to collect a judgment either.
The genius behind life in prison is that that sentence is carried out immediately and saves a shitload of money of course.
I think we had this conversation before and your solution required an upheaval of the entire legal system. Don't see that happening so we are where we are- if people want their pound of flesh they are going to have to wait a decade or two to get it.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 11, 2014 20:50:50 GMT -5
I think that is why more victims take the law into their own hands. The legal system protects the criminal, not the victims. When a criminal is killed, either by a policeman or a citizen carrying a gun, countless lives and dollars are saved.
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Post by chiver78 on Dec 11, 2014 20:59:35 GMT -5
I am one that does not believe the government should be putting people to death. This is fucked up, though. 100% with you on both counts. in cases like this, I'm a firm believer in "inmate justice" - people that commit such atrocious crimes as this don't often last long behind bars if released to the general population. look up Fr John Geoghan for an example from my area. he was a defrocked Catholic priest from MA. news of his crimes hit the local media around the time that I was old enough to understand what the reports meant. he didn't last long in prison at all.....and may his soul rot in hell for his crimes against children.
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