Men Giving Up on Women and Checking Out of Society

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Dec 6, 2014 0:27:17 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Dec 5, 2014 23:58:58 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

How is this an issue?

i never said i WOULD delete it.. i simply feel it's lazy, that's all. am i not allowed to have an opinion on the subject?

Absolutely you can have an opinion, and I am actually interested in it. But when you bring up deleting it you are moving past opinion and into the command category. If that really wasn't what you intended I humbly suggest you don't mention your right to delete stuff when discussing things.

[Opti]

That when women like this open their mouths, there's a moment when I wish that I could shove a pill down their throats that would amplify their interest in vagina so that men didn't have to deal with them.

I agree comments like this are more than they need to be. Just because some people post

things though doesn't mean all female posters agree and approve. When you read something

inflammatory it tends to get a similar response back.

 

Breitbart and a flaming opinion piece blaming women is unlikely to get measured kind

responses. That's why I decided not to read it.

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Dec 5, 2014 23:53:21 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Dec 5, 2014 23:02:15 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

This one is really interesting. There are a lot of productive things you can do with yourself despite giving up on women, sex and relationships. They can focus on career, get into sports or other hobbies, volunteer, political action, travel...I would be a lot more open to their opinions if they were doing those things instead of pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, and video games.

Why does their frustration have to turn "productive"?

I can understand "turning to" any or all of those things that they turn to.

> Pornography and sexual fetishes - that should be self explanatory. They ain't getting to see any "live" so have to go for the "reproduced".

> Chemical addictions - make the sorrow of the situation go away... at least temporarily

> Video Games - Have you seen female characters in video games lately? Not to mention the ability got get out one's aggression (not being successful with women can piss a guy off you know) without actually hurting anyone or risking people's lives.

Wouldn't it be better if the situation never existed in the first place?

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around this. I've read this over and over and tried to come up with any other interpretation.  I honestly and truly have. And I have had a male, 2 of them actually, one in his 20's and my husband, in his 60's, look at it as well. Is it better not to have the situation in the first place? So that means that it's OK to lay the blame, and excuse any behaviors, for the failure of women to provide sex, or a relationship as defined by these young men, on demand?  And that addictions and the substitution of hot digital women instead of real women to inflict violence on because they are pissed at not getting this is somehow doing women a favor, and that the alternatives are?? The real thing?? That is just...wow.   

[weltschmerz]

It's Breitbart.

"Waaaah! Goddam feminists broke the world! Waaaah!"

[Shooby]

Yup. Once the word "BREITBART" appears, the content becomes irrelevant.

[weltschmerz]

Dec 6, 2014 13:47:33 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Yup. Once the word "BREITBART" appears, the content becomes irrelevant.

Well, yeah, much like your article from Breitbart that having an abortion will make you crazy. Stupid, irrelevant and plumb full to bursting with misinformation.

[zibazinski]

Abortion=insanity? Priceless.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

He doesn't do much more than play video games (and calls himself a "professional video gamer") - in other words, he probably doesn't go out much, or have much of a social life.

Maybe if he threw some clothes on and actually got out of the house to do things other than gaming, he'd meet people - more specifically learn how to socialize with women.

Instead he stays home glued to his screen and game controller, and gripes that women are to blame.

What a catch! I'm surprised women aren't beating down his door.

[tallguy]

Yup. Once the word "BREITBART" appears, the content becomes irrelevant.

Pretty much, considering their history.  If they were more honorable and honest in their reporting they would be more respected.  As would those posters who use Breitbart for sources.  Possibly.  Choice of sources says much about a person.

[zibazinski]

Uncalled for remark.

[Shooby]

Dec 6, 2014 14:10:09 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Yup. Once the word "BREITBART" appears, the content becomes irrelevant.

Pretty much, considering their history.  If they were more honorable and honest in their reporting they would be more respected.  As would those posters who use Breitbart for sources.  Possibly.  Choice of sources says much about a person.

OK.  So when you know it's me or you see my source, then write me off.  Works for me.  

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Dec 6, 2014 14:10:09 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Yup. Once the word "BREITBART" appears, the content becomes irrelevant.

Pretty much, considering their history.  If they were more honorable and honest in their reporting they would be more respected.  As would those posters who use Breitbart for sources.  Possibly.  Choice of sources says much about a person.

"Use if for a source"? I saw it more as highlighting it for ridicule. Stop trying to mess up our entertainment!

[imanangel]

I have honestly never even heard of that website before.  

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Dec 6, 2014 15:10:30 GMT -5 imanangel said:

I have honestly never even heard of that website before.  

You're not missing out on anything. It's about as reliable a source for accurate information and reporting as "Daily Mail".

[haapai]

Virgil, I don't know if you know this, but I spent a chunk of my twenties hanging with self-professed lesbian separatists.  We spent a lot of time sitting around whining about the patriarchy (when we were careful) and men (when we got sloppy). 

It got old.  I also noticed that the sins of the patriarchy were being used to rationalize and justify some pretty thuggish behavior. 

A pill that increased those gals' professed love of lady-button would have come in damn handy.  At least it would have changed the subject.  Heck, there were times when those gals got hateful enough that I would have considered using a pill that increased interest in d***. 

ETA:  When I originally wrote this, I used a different word for lady-button which gave offense.  So I threw stars up for the last three letters.  Then I read what appeared on the screen and shrieked.  I simply do not use that other four-letter word that begins with c and do not wish to be mistaken for someone who does. 


 

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Dec 6, 2014 15:33:23 GMT -5 haapai said:

Virgil, I don't know if you know this, but I spent a chunk of my twenties hanging with self-professed lesbian separatists.  We spent a lot of time sitting around whining about the patriarchy (when we were careful) and men (when we got sloppy). 

It got old.  I also noticed that the sins of the patriarchy were being used to rationalize and justify some pretty thuggish behavior. 

A pill that increased those gals' professed love of lady button would have come in damn handy.  At least it would have changed the subject.  Heck, there were times when those gals got hateful enough that I would have considered using a pill that increased interest in d***. 
 

LMAO!

Tommi, is that you? 

I don't hate men at all. I like men. Some of my best friends are men.   Hell, I even married one. We've had men in our family for generations going back centuries. Two of my sisters are married to men. 

What I dislike, virulently, is the idea that women are somehow not allowed to be cognizant of, educate others to, and express what we know to be wrong for us, and harmful for us, physically, without it being dismissed as a matter of opinion. And being asked to put ourselves often in more harms way to prove other wise? Insanity. 

To put ourselves at the disposal of men as suggested to prevent the spread of further angst and alienation as was suggested here? Beyond insanity and into the realm of a darkness that defies logic.  

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Dec 6, 2014 11:49:18 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Virgil Showlion there are a few big differences between complaining about catcalling and this article. The catcalling was complaining about one behaviour, these men are complaining about all women and basically their whole lives and blaming women for their own behaviours and failures. Secondly, you underestimate how dismissive you have been.

I'm not Virgil Showlion, but I disagree. "Cat calling" is a behavior of a small subset of men. "Feminazi attitudes expressed towards males" is a behavior of a small subset of women.

In both cases, the complaints, in the articles posted, equate the activity with ALL of their respective genders.

[Jaguar]

Okay peeps let's keep it PG13 please and Thank You.


Sugilite ~ EE Moderator

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Jaguar did you delete something I missed? If not you will have to be more specific because I have no idea what on here isn't PG 13.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

What I dislike, virulently, is the idea that women are somehow not allowed to be cognizant of, educate others to, and express what we know to be wrong for us, and harmful for us, physically, without it being dismissed as a matter of opinion. And being asked to put ourselves often in more harms way to prove other wise? Insanity.

Are you using "We" as in a collective we - that all women feel this way? That's where you're wrong. We as individuals are capable of drawing our own conclusions of what's acceptable for ourselves or what's harmful for us.

I certainly haven't had anyone ask me to place myself in harm's way. I can personally choose on my own to avoid putting myself in harm's way though.

Not sure what any of that has to do with a dude who sits at a screen playing video games day & night and then blames all women that he has no life - and more specifically no love-life.

Maybe if the loser got off his duff and joined the real world, he would have a life and a love-life - instead of blaming women for the fact that the reason he's getting nowhere with them, just might be him.

[billisonboard]

When I read past the little story that starts the article, I got a different feel for what the article actual has to say.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

How are we being placed in harm's way? That was the question.

[msventoux]

Math is hard.

[mmhmm]

Okay, ladies, some posts are about to disappear. If either, or both of you have the urge to battle, take it to PMs. It's not going to be tolerated here. End of game.

mmhmm, Administrator

[Deleted]

Since freaking when am I required to respond to her posts??  Because she demands it? The hell I will.  

[mmhmm]

Dec 6, 2014 19:34:38 GMT -5 @dayjawho said:

Since freaking when am I required to respond to her posts??  Because she demands it? The hell I will.  

You're not required to respond to anyone's posts. What you are required to do is to take the ongoing battle off the forums.

mmhmm, Administrator

[tallguy]

And this thread was started to detail the immaturity of men. Ironic, huh?  

[Green Eyed Lady]

Well...ya can't argue that one.

[Virgil Showlion]

Virgil Seafaring, I find it annoying that some of what you just spouted was merely my words flipped around and that you seem to be implying we are all hypocrites and man-haters.

You don't stand out in my mind as particularly hypocritical, Angel!, FWIW.

As for your being a "man hater", I'm arguing the very opposite. I consider most of the contributions to this thread to be a cold, dispassionate reaction to the subjects in the article. The men exhibit a victimized attitude that you're not particularly sympathetic to, you don't empathize with them, and the comments in this thread reflect your lack of empathy. I have no problem with that.

If I was to call you a sexist and a misandrist for endorsing the consensus in this thread, welcome to the world of debating gender issues on NMSNM. You're being "dismissive", as laterbloomer calls it. I took exception when out of the dozens of rhetorically charged comments in the thread, she chose to address mine in hoc sensu "when we lack empathy, we're being the dispassionate voice of reason, but when you lack empathy..."

The three additional posters I've accused know who they are by the fact that they routinely substitute claims of sexism for counterarguments in gender-related arguments. They're also among the five posters I've candidly accused of debating "straw man Virgil": rebutting arguments I clearly haven't made as though I'd made them. If this isn't you, I'm not accusing you of hypocrisy. Nevertheless, this thread strikes me as an good opportunity for critical self-examination.

Virgil Seafaring there are a few big differences between complaining about catcalling and this article. The catcalling was complaining about one behaviour, these men are complaining about all women and basically their whole lives and blaming women for their own behaviours and failures. Secondly, you underestimate how dismissive you have been.

I don't think I am.

For one, I defy you to go back into any of the threads where I've been accused of dismissive attitudes (e.g. here, here) and find anything at all as wholly dismissive as the consensus in this thread.

For another, my most vocal critics consistently demonstrate a disregard for countering my arguments as-is, even going as far as attributing quoted statements to me that I've never made. If a reader digests these threads under the assumption that the arguments being rebutted are arguments I've actually made (and many posters make this assumption as a simple matter of time and convenience), my perceived dismissiveness would rival that of this thread. But this is a fictive Virgil. As it stands, all I can do is challenge posters to go back and read specifically what I have and haven't said (see links above). It's surprisingly easy to say "you underestimate how dismissive you have been" and convince yourself it's true when you only vaguely recall arguments made 2-5 years ago.

Am I claiming I've never been dismissive? Absolutely not. For certain issues such as transgenderism or "penetrative sex equals rape", the term "dismissive" (even "incredulous") very accurately characterizes my view. What I don't like is when posters twist this dismissiveness into erroneous claims of sexism, and what I really don't like is when these same critics hypocritically adopt the same dismissive attitudes towards gender issues they take a dispassionate stance on.

Virgil, I don't know if you know this, but I spent a chunk of my twenties hanging with self-professed lesbian separatists. We spent a lot of time sitting around whining about the patriarchy (when we were careful) and men (when we got sloppy).

It got old. I also noticed that the sins of the patriarchy were being used to rationalize and justify some pretty thuggish behavior.

Let's just say I found your comment to be in poor taste and antithetical to the point I believe you were trying to make. I've been so often guilty of doing the same thing that I have little right to criticize you for it, and that wasn't my intent behind invoking your quote. It just happened to be a prime example of an argument lacking empathy.

[gooddecisions]

I didn't read the article, but just based on the comments here, if the situation were reversed, I wouldn't have a lot of sympathy nor empathy for a woman either. If a woman let her self go and retreated to her parent's basement to live in a virtual world and then complained about not being able to find a man...yeah, 0 sympathy.

I don't see the comparison with harassment. Nobody deserves to be harassed, male or female.

Also, every time I click a thread with an interesting title but only has a link to an article, I'm like "doh, baited again!" Like with phishing emails or spam with links only, I'm too scared to click.