Men Giving Up on Women and Checking Out of Society

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Dec 5, 2014 23:20:28 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

But you can't determine what the link is even about, just by a thread title and the link. It helps if there's a paragraph of the link or a comment to determine if you want to waste your time opening it or not.

I'm in the majority who aren't going to bother clicking on a link if that's all there is without any further reference as to the content.

Ahem.....

[Green Eyed Lady]

The-Sexodus-Part-1-The-Men-Giving-Up-On-Women-And-Checking-Out-Of-Society

That was in the OP.  I don't know about anybody else, but that told me pretty much all I needed to know to decide if I wanted to click on it or not.  It wasn't alike a bunch of letters and numbers that made no sense.  Men giving up on women interested me.  I would have thought it would be the other way around. If you don't want to click on the link, don't click on it. Pretty simple. Seems a lot easier to just pass it by then to sit here bitching about it.

[billisonboard]

Dec 5, 2014 23:02:15 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

ever-increasing numbers are checking out of society altogether, giving up on women, sex and relationships and retreating into pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, video games and, in some cases, boorish lad culture, all of which insulate them from a hostile, debilitating social environment created, some argue, by the modern feminist movement

This one is really interesting. There are a lot of productive things you can do with yourself despite giving up on women, sex and relationships. They can focus on career, get into sports or other hobbies, volunteer, political action, travel...I would be a lot more open to their opinions if they were doing those things instead of pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, and video games.

You do realize that the main theme of the article is that they have decided that they don't give a damn about your thoughts on their life choices, don't you?

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Dec 5, 2014 23:36:37 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 5, 2014 23:02:15 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

This one is really interesting. There are a lot of productive things you can do with yourself despite giving up on women, sex and relationships. They can focus on career, get into sports or other hobbies, volunteer, political action, travel...I would be a lot more open to their opinions if they were doing those things instead of pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, and video games.

You do realize that the main theme of the article is that they have decided that they don't give a damn about your thoughts on their life choices, don't you?

That would be why I'm discussing it here and not emailing them 

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Dec 5, 2014 23:36:37 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 5, 2014 23:02:15 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

This one is really interesting. There are a lot of productive things you can do with yourself despite giving up on women, sex and relationships. They can focus on career, get into sports or other hobbies, volunteer, political action, travel...I would be a lot more open to their opinions if they were doing those things instead of pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, and video games.

You do realize that the main theme of the article is that they have decided that they don't give a damn about your thoughts on their life choices, don't you?

Of course they don't.  Unless she's at least an 8 and has a good job. 

[billisonboard]

Dec 5, 2014 23:37:54 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Dec 5, 2014 23:36:37 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

You do realize that the main theme of the article is that they have decided that they don't give a damn about your thoughts on their life choices, don't you?

That would be why I'm discussing it here and not emailing them 

Well, that is a start.

[billisonboard]

Dec 5, 2014 23:40:06 GMT -5 @dayjawho said:

Dec 5, 2014 23:36:37 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

You do realize that the main theme of the article is that they have decided that they don't give a damn about your thoughts on their life choices, don't you?

Of course they don't.  Unless she's at least an 8 and has a good job. 

That actually isn't true.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Dec 5, 2014 17:24:31 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I suspect this thread is going to prove extremely useful to anybody on the board who feels like saying "Suck it up." in any of the "women have it tough" victimization threads in future.

Blowing off concerns of the opposite gender at light speed was never truly perfected until this thread.

You don't give yourself enough credit. I've read you. Believe me, you have it perfected.

Are you calling Virgil a sexist? I find him to be the complete opposite.

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Dec 5, 2014 23:45:22 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Dec 5, 2014 17:24:31 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I suspect this thread is going to prove extremely useful to anybody on the board who feels like saying "Suck it up." in any of the "women have it tough" victimization threads in future.

Blowing off concerns of the opposite gender at light speed was never truly perfected until this thread.

You don't give yourself enough credit. I've read you. Believe me, you have it perfected.

Are you calling Virgil a sexist? I find him to be the complete opposite.

COLOR ME SHOCKED!!!

[tallguy]

Dec 5, 2014 20:14:39 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Dec 5, 2014 18:49:22 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

It wasn't me --- It was Virgil and Moonbeam who asked why you bothered to post just the link if you weren't going to at least comment yourself. You must have had a reason for wanting us to read it, or have an opinion of your own.

As far as I'm concerned, ANYONE who wants to start a thread that contains nothing more than a link deserves to have the thread deleted. that's not a discussion and it doesn't prompt others to engage in discussion either. unfortunately, Shooby, you're a fairly chronic "offender", if you will. flame away.


finally read part of the article and i already think that one is an assumptive and entitled little twat.

On the contrary, I think her right to not post anything should be celebrated, and encouraged.

[moon/Laura]

sure.. just as long as you remember it's my right to delete it. not saying i would, nor am i singling any one person out because i'm sure there are others that do this too. just saying that it goes both ways.

it's really not that hard to include the snippet, yanno?

[Deleted]

Dec 5, 2014 23:02:15 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

ever-increasing numbers are checking out of society altogether, giving up on women, sex and relationships and retreating into pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, video games and, in some cases, boorish lad culture, all of which insulate them from a hostile, debilitating social environment created, some argue, by the modern feminist movement

This one is really interesting. There are a lot of productive things you can do with yourself despite giving up on women, sex and relationships. They can focus on career, get into sports or other hobbies, volunteer, political action, travel...I would be a lot more open to their opinions if they were doing those things instead of pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, and video games.

Why does their frustration have to turn "productive"?

I can understand "turning to" any or all of those things that they turn to.

> Pornography and sexual fetishes - that should be self explanatory. They ain't getting to see any "live" so have to go for the "reproduced".

> Chemical addictions - make the sorrow of the situation go away... at least temporarily

> Video Games - Have you seen female characters in video games lately? Not to mention the ability got get out one's aggression (not being successful with women can piss a guy off you know) without actually hurting anyone or risking people's lives.

Wouldn't it be better if the situation never existed in the first place?

[Deleted]

Dec 5, 2014 23:53:12 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

sure.. just as long as you remember it's my right to delete it. not saying i would, nor am i singling any one person out because i'm sure there are others that do this too. just saying that it goes both ways.

it's really not that hard to include the snippet, yanno?

We all know you can delete anything you want, whether it makes sense or not. But why would you delete it? I really don't understand why you consider this an issue. There is nothing wrong with the link, doesn't break any COC that I can see. People that didn't mind participated in the thread and most people that did mind didn't. How is this an issue?

[Green Eyed Lady]

I'm pretty sure this guy isn't a fair representation of even a tiny portion of the male population...thank Heavens.  At least the men I know don't appear to be like this.  

Maybe they are closet pornfetishdruggiegamers and I just don't know it. That's kind of frightening.

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Dec 5, 2014 23:53:21 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Dec 5, 2014 23:02:15 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

This one is really interesting. There are a lot of productive things you can do with yourself despite giving up on women, sex and relationships. They can focus on career, get into sports or other hobbies, volunteer, political action, travel...I would be a lot more open to their opinions if they were doing those things instead of pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, and video games.

Why does their frustration have to turn "productive"?

I can understand "turning to" any or all of those things that they turn to.

> Pornography and sexual fetishes - that should be self explanatory. They ain't getting to see any "live" so have to go for the "reproduced".

> Chemical addictions - make the sorrow of the situation go away... at least temporarily

> Video Games - Have you seen female characters in video games lately? Not to mention the ability got get out one's aggression (not being successful with women can piss a guy off you know) without actually hurting anyone or risking people's lives.

Wouldn't it be better if the situation never existed in the first place?

I'd like my world to be perfect too. But since it isn't and never will be, I've decided not to self destruct over it.

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Dec 5, 2014 23:53:21 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Dec 5, 2014 23:02:15 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

This one is really interesting. There are a lot of productive things you can do with yourself despite giving up on women, sex and relationships. They can focus on career, get into sports or other hobbies, volunteer, political action, travel...I would be a lot more open to their opinions if they were doing those things instead of pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, and video games.

Why does their frustration have to turn "productive"?

I can understand "turning to" any or all of those things that they turn to.

> Pornography and sexual fetishes - that should be self explanatory. They ain't getting to see any "live" so have to go for the "reproduced".

> Chemical addictions - make the sorrow of the situation go away... at least temporarily

> Video Games - Have you seen female characters in video games lately? Not to mention the ability got get out one's aggression (not being successful with women can piss a guy off you know) without actually hurting anyone or risking people's lives.

Wouldn't it be better if the situation never existed in the first place?

What situation would be better? That he wasn't pissed off since he wasn't getting any? Is that the situation that should never exist in the first place? 

[Green Eyed Lady]

My brain shut down after reading "Have you seen female characters in video games lately?"  I can't think of one single time that I was turned on by a cartoon...but that's just me.

ETA: Referring to them as "cartoons" is probably not the right word, but I don't play video games so I don't know the right word.

[billisonboard]

Dec 5, 2014 23:59:04 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

I'm pretty sure this guy isn't a fair representation of even a tiny portion of the male population...thank Heavens.  At least the men I know don't appear to be like this.  

Maybe they are closet pornfetishdruggiegamers and I just don't know it. That's kind of frightening.

How connected are you to the un and underemployed under 25 male population?

[Deleted]

Dec 6, 2014 0:05:05 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

My brain shut down after reading "Have you seen female characters in video games lately?"  I can't think of one single time that I was turned on by a cartoon...but that's just me.

ETA: Referring to them as "cartoons" is probably not the right word, but I don't play video games so I don't know the right word.

And mine perked up at the thought that somehow this is a GOOD thing since men are all pissed off and all.

Luckily, the only men I know who felt that way are safely in jail.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

ETA: Referring to them as "cartoons" is probably not the right word, but I don't play video games so I don't know the right word.

How about "computer-generated images?

And I do like your reference of "closet pornfetishdruggiegamers" when describing men who hide out in their darkened cave playing nothing but video games all day & night - aka the "professional video gamer".

[Green Eyed Lady]

Dec 6, 2014 0:07:05 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 5, 2014 23:59:04 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

I'm pretty sure this guy isn't a fair representation of even a tiny portion of the male population...thank Heavens.  At least the men I know don't appear to be like this.  

Maybe they are closet pornfetishdruggiegamers and I just don't know it. That's kind of frightening.

How connected are you to the un and underemployed under 25 male population?

Not very actually. Point taken, but there is no need to burst my bubble.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Dec 6, 2014 0:08:11 GMT -5 @dayjawho said:

Dec 6, 2014 0:05:05 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

My brain shut down after reading "Have you seen female characters in video games lately?"  I can't think of one single time that I was turned on by a cartoon...but that's just me.

ETA: Referring to them as "cartoons" is probably not the right word, but I don't play video games so I don't know the right word.

And mine perked up at the thought that somehow this is a GOOD thing since men are all pissed off and all.

Luckily, the only men I know who felt that way are safely in jail.

lol...another excellent point

[dannylion]

Dec 5, 2014 23:53:21 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Dec 5, 2014 23:02:15 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

This one is really interesting. There are a lot of productive things you can do with yourself despite giving up on women, sex and relationships. They can focus on career, get into sports or other hobbies, volunteer, political action, travel...I would be a lot more open to their opinions if they were doing those things instead of pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, and video games.

Why does their frustration have to turn "productive"?

I can understand "turning to" any or all of those things that they turn to.

> Pornography and sexual fetishes - that should be self explanatory. They ain't getting to see any "live" so have to go for the "reproduced".

> Chemical addictions - make the sorrow of the situation go away... at least temporarily

> Video Games - Have you seen female characters in video games lately? Not to mention the ability got get out one's aggression (not being successful with women can piss a guy off you know) without actually hurting anyone or risking people's lives.

Wouldn't it be better if the situation never existed in the first place?

Ironically, if they were to channel their frustration into the activities laterbloomer mentioned, they might actually become less childish and self absorbed not to mention more interesting, and they might find that they are able to attract and hold the attention of the women whose rejection they blame for their plight. 

[moon/Laura]

Dec 5, 2014 23:58:58 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

How is this an issue?

i never said i WOULD delete it.. i simply feel it's lazy, that's all. am i not allowed to have an opinion on the subject?

[Virgil Showlion]

Dec 5, 2014 22:45:13 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Dec 5, 2014 17:24:31 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

I suspect this thread is going to prove extremely useful to anybody on the board who feels like saying "Suck it up." in any of the "women have it tough" victimization threads in future.

Blowing off concerns of the opposite gender at light speed was never truly perfected until this thread.

You don't give yourself enough credit. I've read you. Believe me, you have it perfected.

You're joking, right?

For that to be true, my opening argument in a thread on catcalling (or molestation, or rape, or gender inequity) would have to be that the article reads like a pity party. That when women like this open their mouths, there's a moment when I wish that I could shove a pill down their throats that would amplify their interest in vagina so that men didn't have to deal with them. That the women in these articles are losers sitting around in their crappy focus groups, and that the poor babies want to check out because they can't find a man to tend to their every want and need. That if the author gave some thought to what she might have to offer rather than denigrating the men who don't want her mopey self, she might be able to formulate a plan to actually become someone in whom a man might be interested.

I'd have to assert that these types of women want a submissive man in the streets and a freak in the bed... but only with them. If you slept with anyone but them, you're probably a playboy. That these poor women need to climb out into the sunlight and meet some of their peers who are socially and professionally successful and get some pointers on where they're going wrong, since catcalling, molestation, etc. describe the experiences of only a tiny subset of that age group, yet the article implies that the problems are universal to all women in that generation.

I would have to opine that life is hard all around; you suck it up and play with the hand you're dealt instead of saying the entire country is backward and the opposite sex is to blame for everything. That most of the time you need to look in the mirror to find the root of your problems. I would have to advise women that I personally prefer they discover that men are not the enemy and that they find a fulfilling life outside of their paranoia and fantasy, but I realize they've got a lot invested in it.

I would justify all of this by declaring that I would tear into a whiny-ass man who plays the victim (or martyr) just as quickly, and that my opinions pertain to whether someone has legitimate complaints or not.

Finally, I would have to have received 500+ "likes" from posters high-fiving me for sticking it to the deadbeat women playing the part of victims.

My response to you is this: Hate me as much as you want, but you can survey the entirety of my comment record from top to bottom and as blunt, unapologetic, and unforgiving I am at times, you won't find the equivalent of even a tenth of what's written above.

And I'm going to be blunt again here: you're a flaming hypocrite. You and at least three others here. You scream "misogyny!", "bigotry!", "blaming the victim!", "insensitivity!" until you're blue in the face when confronted with cold, dispassionate reasoning in forums on issues that concern you, then you turn around and let fly with enough cold, dispassionate reasoning to choke a horse in the next thread over when the "victim" doesn't meet your criteria.

Should I consider you all misandrists? Should I conclude you're all bigots and ignoramuses living in denial of the extent of the problem?

I don't. You're simply a hypocrite. Two thirds of this thread is a monument to hypocrisy.

So the next time some poster talks about wanting to shove a pill down a woman's throat to amplify her interest in vagina, or that she needs to find a fulfilling life outside of her paranoia and fantasy, and you cry "Misogyny! Blaming the victim!", your invective will be worth precisely nothing, which is by no coincidence how much I value the comment to which I'm responding.

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And is which, by no coincidence, you've proven time and time again, you  value all women, period. Unless they fit in the narrow, and narrow minded world you live in, and obviously wish women did as well. 

As to whether or not you should conclude that women are stupid or ignoramuses or contemptible.... or whatever furious,  flaming and fearful rhetoric you choose, that has been made abundantly clear with your posting history. You have, and you do,  repeatedly, contemptuously, and scornfully make your extremely low opinion of women clear. Crystal clear. If it wasn't so transparent, so angry and fearful and fist shaking righteous, it would almost be a cause for pity. Almost. I'm trying to give you a bit of a pass as it's obvious you are much too emotionally invested in this subject, and can't. won't and don't want to be objective. 

Tell me, Virgil, does the thought that you can use the mighty power you have over the women on this board to post this, lock the thread, and then post replies to heap yet more scorn AFTER get you off? Or even better, have a woman do it for you? THAT must really be a trip. 

[zibazinski]

Yikes.

[Angel!]

Virgil Showlion, I find it annoying that some of what you just spouted was merely my words flipped around and that you seem to be implying we are all hypocrites and man-haters.

If I'm one of hypocrites, then point it out directly. If I'm not, then don't use my words when calling out hypocritical views.

[zibazinski]

What kind of parent lets their kid live at home playing video games to begin with? My son's butt would be working several jobs part time if he were unable to get full time work. He'd have enough time on his hands for a shower and 8 hours of sleep. I didn't raise slackers that no one would ever be interested in.

[Deleted]

Virgil Showlion there are a few big differences between complaining about catcalling and this article. The catcalling was complaining about one behaviour, these men are complaining about all women and basically their whole lives and blaming women for their own behaviours and failures. Secondly, you underestimate how dismissive you have been.