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New York City Protests Eric Garner DecisionThe Huffington Post | By Hunter StuartPosted: 12/03/2014 5:57 pm EST Updated: 1 minute agoNEW YORK -- New York City residents took to the streets on Wednesday after a grand jury said it would not bring charges in the death of Eric Garner, a Staten Island man who died in July after a police officer placed him in a chokehold. Garner, 43, was being arrested for selling loose, untaxed cigarettes on July 17 when New York City Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo placed him in an illegal chokehold. The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide, but the grand jury said Wednesday it would not indict Pantaleo. Demonstrators gathered across the city, from the Staten Island neighborhood where Garner died to high-traffic areas in midtown Manhattan. They assembled in Times Square, Union Square and Lincoln Center. They marched down Broadway and blocked traffic on the West Side Highway. Police scrambled to keep the crowd from disrupting the Christmas tree lighting ceremony at Rockefeller Center. Nearly three-dozen demonstrators were reportedly arrested, though the protests remained largely non-violent. Late in the afternoon, a group of people gathered at Grand Central Station to stage a “die-in.” Protesters stretched out on the terminal floor to represent victims of police brutality. Police, who have been preparing for days for the protests, stood by. HUFFPOST
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 4, 2014 0:02:08 GMT -5
Peanut butter and illegal choke holds.
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Post by marvholly on Dec 4, 2014 6:35:23 GMT -5
To me this was NOT a big surprise.
However, from the video clips I have seen, the police officer was WRONG since the choke hold is outlawed in NYC. He should have been indicted & had his day in court.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 4, 2014 9:46:38 GMT -5
If the government did not force the police to have to enforce trivial laws so the government gets their share of the funds from the sales, things like this would not occur. Blame the state and federal government on this one.
You will see this happen in the future with unlicensed marijuana sales soon. When the government sanctions drug sales, the street peddlers not paying the tax, will be targeted.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 4, 2014 11:01:01 GMT -5
If the government did not force the police to have to enforce trivial laws so the government gets their share of the funds from the sales, things like this would not occur. Blame the state and federal government on this one.
You will see this happen in the future with unlicensed marijuana sales soon. When the government sanctions drug sales, the street peddlers not paying the tax, will be targeted. i actually concur that this is a SYSTEMIC problem. time for a top down review of law enforcement practices.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 4, 2014 11:13:17 GMT -5
If the government did not force the police to have to enforce trivial laws so the government gets their share of the funds from the sales, things like this would not occur. Blame the state and federal government on this one.
You will see this happen in the future with unlicensed marijuana sales soon. When the government sanctions drug sales, the street peddlers not paying the tax, will be targeted. i actually concur that this is a SYSTEMIC problem. time for a top down review of law enforcement practices. Sounds great. Now, do you want to explain the statement's absurdity or do you want the opportunity tell me you know all of "that " after I explain it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 4, 2014 11:29:09 GMT -5
i actually concur that this is a SYSTEMIC problem. time for a top down review of law enforcement practices. Sounds great. Now, do you want to explain the statement's absurdity or do you want the opportunity tell me you know all of "that " after I explain it. my turn: huh?
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 4, 2014 12:26:02 GMT -5
If the government did not force the police to have to enforce trivial laws so the government gets their share of the funds from the sales, things like this would not occur. Blame the state and federal government on this one.
You will see this happen in the future with unlicensed marijuana sales soon. When the government sanctions drug sales, the street peddlers not paying the tax, will be targeted. i actually concur that this is a SYSTEMIC problem. time for a top down review of law enforcement practices. The law enforcement system in the United States is not "a system". It is ten's of thousands of "systems" independent of each other. There is no "top" from which which to "review". Each have their own practices, both formal and informal. Many function well and have no need for "review". Many could benefit from "review". And a few need to be "burned down".
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 5, 2014 3:05:16 GMT -5
i actually concur that this is a SYSTEMIC problem. time for a top down review of law enforcement practices. The law enforcement system in the United States is not "a system". It is ten's of thousands of "systems" independent of each other. There is no "top" from which which to "review". Each have their own practices, both formal and informal. Many function well and have no need for "review". Many could benefit from "review". And a few need to be "burned down". fine. if you don't like "systemic", let's go with "widespread" for $200, alek.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 5, 2014 7:48:26 GMT -5
Eric Garner is the Gentle Giant which Michael Brown was not. Once again, the media and the Left choose the wrong cases to make hay out of. This man DID have his hands up. This man was not doing anything violent or worthy of being killed. Yes, when people tackle you, your natural reaction is going to be to buck against that especially if you are being choked. This really should be the test case right here. And, how this did not result in an indictment is shocking.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2014 9:02:09 GMT -5
i actually concur that this is a SYSTEMIC problem. time for a top down review of law enforcement practices. The law enforcement system in the United States is not "a system". It is ten's of thousands of "systems" independent of each other. There is no "top" from which which to "review". Each have their own practices, both formal and informal. Many function well and have no need for "review". Many could benefit from "review". And a few need to be "burned down". Not really true. You have the President and Eric Holder, the AG who brings the Feds in if they do not like the result of the locals. Federal trumps everyone, everything.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2014 9:04:20 GMT -5
Has the NY incident been judged by America as a white on black brutality case, or is it an actual just plain old police brutality case while enforcing a tax law?
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 5, 2014 9:07:11 GMT -5
Whatever will work for the "spin."
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2014 9:13:42 GMT -5
Whatever will work for the "spin." I do not know. I am perplexed by this case. I watched the video. I do not see it as a police brutality against a black man. I see it as police brutality against a person violating a law where there really is no disagreement that he was violating the law. In all honesty, I do not know how a very large person who is disagreeing peacefully with the police should be physically handled on an arrest. At some point, there has to be a physical confrontation to take him into custody. I also believe his health issue played a big part in his death, but it was triggered by the take down, imo
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 5, 2014 9:27:13 GMT -5
Whatever will work for the "spin." I do not know. I am perplexed by this case. I watched the video. I do not see it as a police brutality against a black man. I see it as police brutality against a person violating a law where there really is no disagreement that he was violating the law. In all honesty, I do not know how a very large person who is disagreeing peacefully with the police should be physically handled on an arrest. At some point, there has to be a physical confrontation to take him into custody. I also believe his health issue played a big part in his death, but it was triggered by the take down, imo
I think the fact that we avoid class issues in our society puts us in a position that race becomes a substitute.
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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 5, 2014 9:38:39 GMT -5
A ticket should have been issued, But because we have a police officer that has an attitude you will comply to my authority, If you don't, I will kill you and get away with it.
If I remember from Cool Hand Luke "What we have here is a failure to communicate".
If you don't think there is a problem with police and civilians relations, go to policeone.com read the police comments about different new stories,
you will realise that many there have the attitude it's us against them, I'm going home at the end of the day, no matter how many people I have to shoot!
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Whatever will work for the "spin." I do not know. I am perplexed by this case. I watched the video. I do not see it as a police brutality against a black man. I see it as police brutality against a person violating a law where there really is no disagreement that he was violating the law. In all honesty, I do not know how a very large person who is disagreeing peacefully with the police should be physically handled on an arrest. At some point, there has to be a physical confrontation to take him into custody. I also believe his health issue played a big part in his death, but it was triggered by the take down, imo
When was the last time a very large white man was killed for selling individual cigarettes? When was the last time a large white man was arrested for that? That's what makes it a race crime.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 9:42:34 GMT -5
A ticket should have been issued, But because we have a police officer that has an attitude you will comply to my authority, If you don't, I will kill you and get away with it. That's what I was wondering. Actually trying to arrest him on the spot seemed really strange to me.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2014 10:05:03 GMT -5
I do not know. I am perplexed by this case. I watched the video. I do not see it as a police brutality against a black man. I see it as police brutality against a person violating a law where there really is no disagreement that he was violating the law. In all honesty, I do not know how a very large person who is disagreeing peacefully with the police should be physically handled on an arrest. At some point, there has to be a physical confrontation to take him into custody. I also believe his health issue played a big part in his death, but it was triggered by the take down, imo
When was the last time a very large white man was killed for selling individual cigarettes? When was the last time a large white man was arrested for that? That's what makes it a race crime. I do not know. How many WHITE MEN ARE SELLING ILLEGAL CIGARETTES ON NYC STREET CORNERS? Another factor not discussed here or in the media, is the simple fact black people are more open in their actions in public than white people. White people are sneaky and try to conceal illegal acts, where as young minority males have a tendency to flaunt the breaking of laws more openly. "Minority" in this case is not relegated to the black community. It also includes the brown community.
I live at the crossroads of America, where it comes from the south and traverses east and west from here. State and local police have interdiction teams patrolling the interstate for drug transportation. It amazes me how many blacks and Mexicans get caught because they are travelling 15 or 20 miles an hour over the speed limit, weaving between lanes, with taillights burned out and get pulled over, and the police smell the burning marijuana in the car, and do a legal search, due to probable cause.
White people usually get caught transporting drugs because they are involved in an accident, or the car is disabled, with a flat, etc, and a policeman pulls over for assistance. When I say "transporting" I am not talking about personal consumption. We are talking kilos and lots of them. Now some will say it is police labeling the minorities but the truth is, the white person is more apt to make sure the brake and taillights are working, and follow the speed laws to avoid detection. Same with white's actions in public, the majority of the time, other than the local bars where whites will do the same dumb shit as minorities after getting drunk and getting in altercations, etc.
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When was the last time a very large white man was killed for selling individual cigarettes? When was the last time a large white man was arrested for that? That's what makes it a race crime. I do not know. How many WHITE MEN ARE SELLING ILLEGAL CIGARETTES ON NYC STREET CORNERS? Another factor not discussed here or in the media, is the simple fact black people are more open in their actions in public than white people. White people are sneaky and try to conceal illegal acts, where as young minority males have a tendency to flaunt the breaking of laws more openly. "Minority" in this case is not relegated to the black community. It also includes the brown community.
I live at the crossroads of America, where it comes from the south and traverses east and west from here. State and local police have interdiction teams patrolling the interstate for drug transportation. It amazes me how many blacks and Mexicans get caught because they are travelling 15 or 20 miles an hour over the speed limit, weaving between lanes, with taillights burned out and get pulled over, and the police smell the burning marijuana in the car, and do a legal search, due to probable cause.
White people usually get caught transporting drugs because they are involved in an accident, or the car is disabled, with a flat, etc, and a policeman pulls over for assistance. When I say "transporting" I am not talking about personal consumption. We are talking kilos and lots of them. Now some will say it is police labeling the minorities but the truth is, the white person is more apt to make sure the brake and taillights are working, and follow the speed laws to avoid detection. Same with white's actions in public, the majority of the time, other than the local bars where whites will do the same dumb shit as minorities after getting drunk and getting in altercations, etc.
Seriously? We are past the point that you deny and have moved on to justifying it? I can't fight that kind of determination.
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When was the last time a very large white man was killed for selling individual cigarettes? When was the last time a large white man was arrested for that? That's what makes it a race crime. I do not know. How many WHITE MEN ARE SELLING ILLEGAL CIGARETTES ON NYC STREET CORNERS? Another factor not discussed here or in the media, is the simple fact black people are more open in their actions in public than white people. White people are sneaky and try to conceal illegal acts, where as young minority males have a tendency to flaunt the breaking of laws more openly. "Minority" in this case is not relegated to the black community. It also includes the brown community.
I live at the crossroads of America, where it comes from the south and traverses east and west from here. State and local police have interdiction teams patrolling the interstate for drug transportation. It amazes me how many blacks and Mexicans get caught because they are travelling 15 or 20 miles an hour over the speed limit, weaving between lanes, with taillights burned out and get pulled over, and the police smell the burning marijuana in the car, and do a legal search, due to probable cause.
White people usually get caught transporting drugs because they are involved in an accident, or the car is disabled, with a flat, etc, and a policeman pulls over for assistance. When I say "transporting" I am not talking about personal consumption. We are talking kilos and lots of them. Now some will say it is police labeling the minorities but the truth is, the white person is more apt to make sure the brake and taillights are working, and follow the speed laws to avoid detection. Same with white's actions in public, the majority of the time, other than the local bars where whites will do the same dumb shit as minorities after getting drunk and getting in altercations, etc.
What do you mean by "brown community"? Define brown community please.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 5, 2014 11:00:26 GMT -5
I do not know. How many WHITE MEN ARE SELLING ILLEGAL CIGARETTES ON NYC STREET CORNERS? Another factor not discussed here or in the media, is the simple fact black people are more open in their actions in public than white people. White people are sneaky and try to conceal illegal acts, where as young minority males have a tendency to flaunt the breaking of laws more openly. "Minority" in this case is not relegated to the black community. It also includes the brown community.
I live at the crossroads of America, where it comes from the south and traverses east and west from here. State and local police have interdiction teams patrolling the interstate for drug transportation. It amazes me how many blacks and Mexicans get caught because they are travelling 15 or 20 miles an hour over the speed limit, weaving between lanes, with taillights burned out and get pulled over, and the police smell the burning marijuana in the car, and do a legal search, due to probable cause.
White people usually get caught transporting drugs because they are involved in an accident, or the car is disabled, with a flat, etc, and a policeman pulls over for assistance. When I say "transporting" I am not talking about personal consumption. We are talking kilos and lots of them. Now some will say it is police labeling the minorities but the truth is, the white person is more apt to make sure the brake and taillights are working, and follow the speed laws to avoid detection. Same with white's actions in public, the majority of the time, other than the local bars where whites will do the same dumb shit as minorities after getting drunk and getting in altercations, etc.
What do you mean by "brown community"? Define brown community please. I was kinda wondering the same thing. As far as I know, we're all some shade of brown, from light to dark.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 11:03:35 GMT -5
I've heard the term brown community. I've understood it to include those of Spanish or middle eastern decent. I think the use of the term clarifies who he is referring to. I think Asians are considered yellow skinned. I don't get caught up in the accuracy of the colour terms, none of them are really accurate.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2014 11:11:14 GMT -5
I do not know. How many WHITE MEN ARE SELLING ILLEGAL CIGARETTES ON NYC STREET CORNERS? Another factor not discussed here or in the media, is the simple fact black people are more open in their actions in public than white people. White people are sneaky and try to conceal illegal acts, where as young minority males have a tendency to flaunt the breaking of laws more openly. "Minority" in this case is not relegated to the black community. It also includes the brown community.
I live at the crossroads of America, where it comes from the south and traverses east and west from here. State and local police have interdiction teams patrolling the interstate for drug transportation. It amazes me how many blacks and Mexicans get caught because they are travelling 15 or 20 miles an hour over the speed limit, weaving between lanes, with taillights burned out and get pulled over, and the police smell the burning marijuana in the car, and do a legal search, due to probable cause.
White people usually get caught transporting drugs because they are involved in an accident, or the car is disabled, with a flat, etc, and a policeman pulls over for assistance. When I say "transporting" I am not talking about personal consumption. We are talking kilos and lots of them. Now some will say it is police labeling the minorities but the truth is, the white person is more apt to make sure the brake and taillights are working, and follow the speed laws to avoid detection. Same with white's actions in public, the majority of the time, other than the local bars where whites will do the same dumb shit as minorities after getting drunk and getting in altercations, etc.
Seriously? We are past the point that you deny and have moved on to justifying it? I can't fight that kind of determination. Later, I think you have me confused with someone else. I do not deny the police were wrong on how they handled it. I am just not sure this is racial, rather than law enforcement gone amuck. I do stand by my statement that white people are more careful in violating laws in public, compared to certain minority groups.
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Seriously? We are past the point that you deny and have moved on to justifying it? I can't fight that kind of determination. Later, I think you have me confused with someone else. I do not deny the police were wrong on how they handled it. I am just not sure this is racial, rather than law enforcement gone amuck. I do stand by my statement that white people are more careful in violating laws in public, compared to certain minority groups.
You are justifying in the sense that you are giving reasons that law enforcement runs amok more on black youth and men than white people. Are you keeping a straight face when you say white criminals are "more careful" than black criminals?
ETA - and if you are really, really serious, what possible proof or evidence of this do you have?
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Post by Shooby on Dec 5, 2014 14:44:05 GMT -5
Slamming and tackling people over minor nothing crimes is ridiculous. Are we going to be OK when they start slamming Grandma to the ground for double parking or Aunt Judy for a parking ticket?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 21:44:36 GMT -5
Here's a great example of the difference, and the thing that makes it a racism issue A Tennessee police officer was caught on tape choking a white college student unconscious and was fired immediately. By contrast, NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo was recorded choking Eric Garner to death and is currently on paid leave.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 5, 2014 22:00:43 GMT -5
Why are they killing people over petty bullschite?
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