The Ferguson riots should be starting pretty soon

[cael]

Tenn I was just mentioning the 2011 Vancouver Stanley Cup riots to a coworker... ridiculous. And when the Red Sox lost in 2003, my lovely university rioted and rolled/burned cars.

Rioting period doesn't do any good and I will not go as far as to say the Ferguson rioting is justified by the reason being more valid.... I'll leave it at that.

[billisonboard]

Nov 25, 2014 8:59:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 25, 2014 8:40:27 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Where was the president and the rest when Dillon Taylor (a white teen) was killed by a black officer? I also don't remember anyone in Utah rioting, looting or burning anything down. In fact, I don't remember this shooting getting much coverage at all.....

White people only riot over for more important things than the shooting of their young men.  Sports events immediately come to mind like the Vancouver hockey riots of 2011.

Or pumpkins

New Hampshire Pumpkin Festival crowd sets fires, throws bottles

[whoisjohngalt]

Nov 25, 2014 8:40:27 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Where was the president and the rest when Dillon Taylor (a white teen) was killed by a black officer? I also don't remember anyone in Utah rioting, looting or burning anything down. In fact, I don't remember this shooting getting much coverage at all.....

Why would there be coverage?  No one could claim racism there, so what would be the point?

[Opti]

Nov 25, 2014 9:00:29 GMT -5 @patstab said:

Let's go further we need new dictionary definitions

illegal is legal

stealing is not stealing

looting is not looting

what we see is not real

Now we have redefined things as we knew it we can move forward!er

Why?

I can understand the disappointment of the President and others who want to

fix things by due process, they know as well as the rest of us the people behaving

badly will get most of the press and those who behaved well or tried to stop bad

behavior won't get much press.

I think its horrible these people decided to damage things just for their own jollies.

They are slowing the march to reasonableness because they have decided to act like

lawless asses. I didn't follow this case much because from the beginning it did not scream

police totally at fault.

Its unfortunate they didn't have enough police presence and the orders to arrest people

right away before it got so out of hand.

[b2r]

Missouri State Senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal to MSNBC: ‘This Is Our Race War’

[b2r]

CNN’s Donna Brazile Jumps the Gun: Michael Brown Was ‘Murdered’

[whoisjohngalt]

I get so flamed for this, but this is about race bc it has been made about the race.

It was about a criminal and a police officer.  But  that wouldn't be a  story.  So, let's bring race into this.  And make big news.

[cael]

I would not assume to speak from these people's point of view since I've never been there (by 'these people' I mean protestors/rioters) - I'm not sure if I was a black person living in that community I would be able to *not* bring race into it. Who are we (casual observers) to assume we know what they see in their everyday lives in their community? We don't have their experiences.

Just saying. There are several sides to everything...

(oh and ETA, again I am not excusing the idiots burning shit by saying this)

[Deleted]

Nov 25, 2014 9:16:08 GMT -5 Opti said:

Nov 25, 2014 9:00:29 GMT -5 @patstab said:

Let's go further we need new dictionary definitions

illegal is legal

stealing is not stealing

looting is not looting

what we see is not real

Now we have redefined things as we knew it we can move forward!er

Why?

I can understand the disappointment of the President and others who want to

fix things by due process, they know as well as the rest of us the people behaving

badly will get most of the press and those who behaved well or tried to stop bad

behavior won't get much press.

I think its horrible these people decided to damage things just for their own jollies.

They are slowing the march to reasonableness because they have decided to act like

lawless asses. I didn't follow this case much because from the beginning it did not scream

police totally at fault.

Its unfortunate they didn't have enough police presence and the orders to arrest people

right away before it got so out of hand.

It is a little number of people that are burning cats and looting and they are criminals and not protesters. The don't have interest in fixing the problem only they have interest in getting excited and having free stuffs.

[Ombud]

Nov 25, 2014 9:21:57 GMT -5 whoisjohngalt said:

I get so flamed for this, but this is about race bc it has been made about the race.

It was about a criminal and a police officer.  But  that wouldn't be a  story.  So, let's bring race into this.  And make big news.

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 25, 2014 9:05:57 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Yeah, we had rioting down in Boston when the Red Sox lost. Or was it when they won?

I get so confuzzled. But it was reeely important, and we had to tip over cars and set them on fire!

There is never a reason to riot.  Innocent people are harmed by these animals. 

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 25, 2014 9:28:30 GMT -5 @tiki said:

Nov 25, 2014 9:16:08 GMT -5 Opti said:

Why?

I can understand the disappointment of the President and others who want to

fix things by due process, they know as well as the rest of us the people behaving

badly will get most of the press and those who behaved well or tried to stop bad

behavior won't get much press.

I think its horrible these people decided to damage things just for their own jollies.

They are slowing the march to reasonableness because they have decided to act like

lawless asses. I didn't follow this case much because from the beginning it did not scream

police totally at fault.

Its unfortunate they didn't have enough police presence and the orders to arrest people

right away before it got so out of hand.

It is a little number of people that are burning cats and looting and they are criminals and not protesters. The don't have interest in fixing the problem only they have interest in getting excited and having free stuffs.

Good thing they are leaving the dogs alone....

[Deleted]

Nov 25, 2014 8:42:58 GMT -5 Shooby said:

He's only the President of some people.

More code

[Deleted]

Nov 25, 2014 9:00:29 GMT -5 @patstab said:

Let's go further we need new dictionary definitions

illegal is legal

stealing is not stealing

looting is not looting

what we see is not real

Now we have redefined things as we knew it we can move forward!

And racism is not racism.

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 25, 2014 9:27:09 GMT -5 cael said:

I would not assume to speak from these people's point of view since I've never been there (by 'these people' I mean protestors/rioters) - I'm not sure if I was a black person living in that community I would be able to *not* bring race into it. Who are we (casual observers) to assume we know what they see in their everyday lives in their community? We don't have their experiences.

Just saying. There are several sides to everything...

(oh and ETA, again I am not excusing the idiots burning shit by saying this)

This is about a criminal and a cop.  I have no idea why this is even about race. 

[whoisjohngalt]

Nov 25, 2014 9:27:09 GMT -5 cael said:

I would not assume to speak from these people's point of view since I've never been there (by 'these people' I mean protestors/rioters) - I'm not sure if I was a black person living in that community I would be able to *not* bring race into it. Who are we (casual observers) to assume we know what they see in their everyday lives in their community? We don't have their experiences.

Just saying. There are several sides to everything...

(oh and ETA, again I am not excusing the idiots burning shit by saying this)

And that is the a big BIG problem bc bringing racism into this case, doesn't address the REAL racism issues. 

[cael]

I know - my point is I don't think we're quite qualified (as people looking in from the outside) to judge how the people of that community feel and what they've seen in their community and throughout their lives, so I don't think we should jump so quickly to condemn them for thinking what they think.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Nov 25, 2014 8:59:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 25, 2014 8:40:27 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Where was the president and the rest when Dillon Taylor (a white teen) was killed by a black officer? I also don't remember anyone in Utah rioting, looting or burning anything down. In fact, I don't remember this shooting getting much coverage at all.....

White people only riot over for more important things than the shooting of their young men.  Sports events immediately come to mind like the Vancouver hockey riots of 2011.

I think most people thought that was pretty idiotic too...skin color doesn't really matter in the equation. Hopefully they get the situation under control quickly.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Nov 25, 2014 9:26:14 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Some of that is painful to hear b2r. I don't doubt her sincerity though. Do you?

Which video are you talking about?  It looks like in both, the only acceptable verdict would be for a trial and guilty verdict....nothing else really mattered. 

[billisonboard]

Nov 25, 2014 9:40:15 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

... I have no idea why this is even about race.

Yeah, I can see that.

[cael]

You know, people feel and act the ways we do based on our life experiences. You may be able to tell yourself to think rationally and look at facts and make a judgment using logic - that's how I try to do things. But the fact is, people in general do not think that way and cannot overlook emotions and experiences, no matter how much of the better option that may be. People just can't do it, nor should they feel the need to 100% of the time. Racism and police brutality exist as separate issues, and also can be related. This case they may be related, or they may not be. No one is ever going to agree and there's never going to be a "right" answer. I guess this is me trying to work my way through this and decide what I think.

[whoisjohngalt]

Nov 25, 2014 9:44:45 GMT -5 cael said:

I know - my point is I don't think we're quite qualified (as people looking in from the outside) to judge how the people of that community feel and what they've seen in their community and throughout their lives, so I don't think we should jump so quickly to condemn them for thinking what they think.

Anyone can feel anyway they want and they can think whatever they want to think. 

But that doesn't mean that we should be condoning their actions.

[cael]

I'm not condoning the rioting, it's idiotic and doesn't do a damn thing to help any cause.

(well except people getting free booze and shit. It sure helps that cause)

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 25, 2014 9:44:45 GMT -5 cael said:

I know - my point is I don't think we're quite qualified (as people looking in from the outside) to judge how the people of that community feel and what they've seen in their community and throughout their lives, so I don't think we should jump so quickly to condemn them for thinking what they think.

I can and will condemn them for acting like animals. Quite frankly I don't give a shit how they feel.  There have been lots of verdicts that I disagree with...that doesn't mean I go out and burn down my town.  Acting like a bunch of animals is really not helping their cause (and yes, I feel the same way about white morons that riot over any reason).  I watch the news coverage and all I see are a bunch of thugs terrorizing the community...talk about living up to a stereotype.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 25, 2014 9:50:25 GMT -5 whoisjohngalt said:

Nov 25, 2014 9:44:45 GMT -5 cael said:

I know - my point is I don't think we're quite qualified (as people looking in from the outside) to judge how the people of that community feel and what they've seen in their community and throughout their lives, so I don't think we should jump so quickly to condemn them for thinking what they think.

Anyone can feel anyway they want and they can think whatever they want to think. 

But that doesn't mean that we should be condoning their actions.

Fortunately, no one here has condoned the rioting.

[cael]

Can I say it any other way that I'm not justifying the rioting? The people in the community outraged by Michael Brown's death who ARE NOT RIOTING probably have a right to be outraged.

A friend posted this on a fb thread: "Just heard from a friend who lives close to the riots. It's rather telling. Of the 60 people arrested for felonies last night, only 2 were actually from the area. So it's not even the locals doing this to themselves people are going there to make trouble."

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 25, 2014 9:49:42 GMT -5 cael said:

You know, people feel and act the ways we do based on our life experiences. You may be able to tell yourself to think rationally and look at facts and make a judgment using logic - that's how I try to do things. But the fact is, people in general do not think that way and cannot overlook emotions and experiences, no matter how much of the better option that may be. People just can't do it, nor should they feel the need to 100% of the time. Racism and police brutality exist as separate issues, and also can be related. This case they may be related, or they may not be. No one is ever going to agree and there's never going to be a "right" answer. I guess this is me trying to work my way through this and decide what I think.

Except the evidence doesn't support the claim of police brutality.  He wasn't some boy scout who was shot because he was "walking while black".  He was a criminal who went up against a cop and lost.  The evidence supported the cop.  Case closed.

[Deleted]

Nov 25, 2014 9:21:57 GMT -5 whoisjohngalt said:

I get so flamed for this, but this is about race bc it has been made about the race.

It was about a criminal and a police officer.  But  that wouldn't be a  story.  So, let's bring race into this.  And make big news.

I couldn't disagree more. I think that a lot of people here are under the impression that this occurred in a vacuum. The killing of an unarmed black teen by a white police officer didn't cause the rioting and the protests, it was simply the precipitating factor.

Was the cop justified in shooting the kid? I don't know, nor does anyone here. I rather doubt that this was a cold blooded execution but I do think that there was, at the very least, a gross overreaction to the situation. I do know that a person or persons in the Ferguson Police Department must have taken a course in how to make your department look bad, because the deception, posturing and utter lack of transparency didn't do much to allay suspicion.

Anyone with even one eye open can see that Ferguson was a powder keg waiting for a spark.  Any PD that has only three black officers in an area that has over sixty percent black people should raise a red flag right off the bat. Add to that their documented history of racial profiling and their remarkably poor community relations with blacks and the only surprise is that this didn't happen much sooner.

As to the comment about why there wasn't a huge outcry about the unarmed white kid killed by the black cop, I know that's the battle cry of the "We whites are so oppressed" crowd but, seriously, you need to come up with a new shtick. That one just makes you look ridiculous. And, if you honestly can't figure out why, it would be a waste of time to try to explain it to you.

[cael]

Police brutality in general, not this case. Did I say this case?

[Miss Tequila]

Nov 25, 2014 9:54:21 GMT -5 cael said:

Can I say it any other way that I'm not justifying the rioting? The people in the community outraged by Michael Brown's death who ARE NOT RIOTING probably have a right to be outraged.

A friend posted this on a fb thread: "Just heard from a friend who lives close to the riots. It's rather telling. Of the 60 people arrested for felonies last night, only 2 were actually from the area. So it's not even the locals doing this to themselves people are going there to make trouble."

Why do they have the right to be outraged?  The evidence didn't support their claims.  If anyone has the right to be outraged, it should be the cop who was dragged through the mud.