Woman Harrassed Simply By Walking in New York

[mmhmm]

Nov 2, 2014 15:16:43 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 2, 2014 14:23:45 GMT -5 @tiki said:

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1 Victim blaming. ...

I am consistently subjected to things that I wish to not be subjected and occasionally to things that scare me. I don't consider myself a victim when in these situations.

What kind of things are we talking about? Are these things other people purposefully inflict on you - specifically you?

[Opti]

Bills, the image you posted in #392 was created because we are

still a male-oriented society. That ad and similar ones are usually

thought up by men, photographed by men and created because they

are selling the thong and the women at the same time. If the tag line

hint is true and it is for Christmas or Valentine's Day the target is male

buyers of lingere over the female buyers.

That's why this can not and is not a female only problem. It is a cultural

problem. It is an issue that has been glorified and accepted in media

as tacitly selling good looking women as an aspirational good. I can't think

of any marketing campaign that is so blatant and out there telling us

good looking men are our aspirational goods. Buy this perfume, get hunky

male free; drink this beer get three gorgeous men cuz they luvs our beer

 so they will adore you and just fail into your lap.

Not how things are. Things for the less powerful gender, race, sexual orientation

don't change usually because the power base flips flops. It in my lifetime and

before has changed because people recognized that for a more equal balanced

society, things should change. And with those changes often other things happen too.

A stay at home Dad is running for a local school board position. That would have not

happened in the 1950s. There is much that needs to happen and I think soon, much

of the hidden sexual exploitation of boys and young men will come to light as well.

Changing the dialogue on womens' objectification will also slowly open up the understanding

of those men who get abused physically, verbally, and sexually. MO.

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Nov 2, 2014 15:35:47 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Oh no how sad for you!

I hope your not a white male because then its gonna be DOUBLE hard for you!!

Hold on now.  Just because somebody is a white guy doesn't mean they don't get accosted by strangers, mugged in the street, and what have you.  Sure, I'm privileged... or whatever... but I'm also more likely to be the target of certain criminals because as a white guy they assume I have money whereas a person of color walking down the street in a t-shirt and jeans isn't worth robbing because they're probably poor.  The rich white guy stereotype works against us in certain situations just like it works for us in others.

OK its fair to say.

Except probably you do not get harassment every time you go out side. Its what I mean.

[billisonboard]

Nov 2, 2014 15:21:27 GMT -5 @tiki said:

Nov 2, 2014 15:02:30 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

After you are a man 1 month come back and we're gonna talk.

Oh yes because to understand how does it feel to be a woman and get harassed you gotta be a man. OK got it. Probably its some kind of western logic I didn't learn until now.

If it is necessary to be female to understand what it is like to be female, then it is necessary for one to be male to understand what it is like to be male.

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Nov 2, 2014 15:45:19 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Except probably you do not get harassment every time you go out side. Its what I mean.

Are you kidding?  I have the body of a greek god.  I've had women ask to lick my chest while I was grocery shopping.  It's friggin annoying.  Some of them are pretty cute though, so I don't mind them as much.  It's the 5's and below that really get to me.  I'm like "lady, look at me, I'm a beacon of raw sexuality, you know I'm way outside your league, now go bother the chubby guy by the cauliflower."

Bacon of raw security??

[Opti]

Nov 2, 2014 11:22:51 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 2, 2014 10:59:13 GMT -5 Bonny said:

Power.

Harassing someone who won't fight back makes them feel powerful.

Losers.

The fact that it might make them feel powerful does not been they have gained any power.
Yes, they are demonstrating that they are losers by engaging in such behavior.

What power did the female lose in this situation?

You would have to analyze each interaction by itself to be more precise in answering this.

These men gain power because they are often intimidating women. They actually may

engage it in because they don't feel powerful enough to get what they want, so they

project and take it out on their object of desire.

A couple incidences could have escalated. The guys that made a body comment

(or not) and then followed it up with the litany of "aren't I good enough" "will you

take my number", etc. all in spite of no encouragement whatsoever, these are guys who

strongly project their needs and wants onto women because they are unable to own it.

He can't control himself so he feels the need to force his attentions where they are not

wanted.

She lost the ability to walk in the world with as much ease and comfort as a good-looking

man heck most men. Just because she was born female. And if she was born good-looking

and endowed she apparently has less rights to not being verbally accosted.

[Opti]

Nov 2, 2014 2:15:28 GMT -5 ZaireinHD said:

Nov 2, 2014 1:40:40 GMT -5 @tiki said:

It proved my words!

yes but I have to stay in my lane
I am not that gorgeous, rich guy that can get away with making off cheek forward comments as pick up lines.
hell even saying hello to some women gets nowhere and mean looks back

which goes to my point that how are we suppose to know what she has been going through and how many times she has been approached.

I mean dam! chick is working out looking good, feeling good, eating right and is attractive as all hell. how am I to know if she is single or not or not into men or how many times she's been approached or how many times men have only said hello to her or if she is being stalked by an x boyfriend.

all I know is what I see at that moment and said hello
and this chick just keeps on walking ignoring me!

I wanted to comment on this post mainly because this is the kind of dialogue that

may go on in someone's head. Many men assume stuff like I have crossed out.

Its a very prevalent belief that on many dating web-sites being thin is considered

a synonym for taking care of yourself.

But the truth is, many thin attractive women don't take good care of themselves.

They might be anorexic or bulimic to maintain their weight. They may have

horrible diets, but if they are thin and look good - those things are assumed.

They should not be. I have a male gay trainer friend who has told me how many

thin and below average weight women have high percentage of body fat, because

of how they "take care" of themselves. Some people can look great on the BMI tables,

but in fact be packing 30 to 35% body fat in some cases. (And many women above

preferred weights do exercise and eat well.)

Lastly, unless you ask someone you don't really know whether they are feeling good,

thinking about something that makes them happy or faking it. You do not know.

[weltschmerz]

Nov 1, 2014 20:56:02 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Nov 1, 2014 20:37:46 GMT -5 Opti said:

So Richard what counts as harassment in your book?

It's not "my" book... it's the Oxford English Dictionary.

Harassment: NOUN - Aggressive pressure or intimidation

"good morning" is not "pressure" or "intimidation" (aggressive or otherwise)
"nice dress" is not "pressure" or "intimidation" (aggressive or otherwise)
"want to get a drink?" is not "pressure" or "intimidation" (aggressive or otherwise)
heck... even "nice b**bs" or "nice a$$" is not "pressure" or "intimidation" (aggressive or otherwise)

They are all comments or opinion.

"Pressure" or "intimidation" are situations of "do {whatever} or else {bad consequence, with some form of 'will happen'}"

So, would these same people say "nice pants!" to a man? How about "Want to get a drink?" or "Nice ass!"
They would not. They're doing it for the secondary gain of sex and that's pressure and intimidation.
Would they say it to a 75 yr old woman? Again....no. It's always in the expectation of "getting some", and it's annoying as hell.

[zibazinski]

[8 Bit WWBG]

...:::"...a good rule of thumb would be "Would I say this to a man?" or, if it needs to be taken further "Would I say this to a man I respect?" If the answer is no, you should probably shut your trap and walk away.":::...

Heh.  I get what you are trying to say.  I'm imagining whether the pick up lines I might have used on the hottie in the makeup store are things I'd say to a man I respect.  "That dress goes so well with those boots".  Or: "That shade of lipstick will REALLY compliment your eyes".  Actually, I DID once tell a man I sort of respect that his blue dress shirt made his blue eyes pop.  But that was mainly just to get a reaction out of him.  Then again, I'd worked with him for years and that was par for the course, so far cry from harassment.

...:::"Think about the effect on young males who are bombarded constantly with such images as they begin to realize that they will never have any possibility of access to such women. The video shows one great example of how it warps a human being.":::...

I was going to make a similar point.  For a good number of guys, a longing stare and a dumb comment is the closest to that kind of hotness they'll get in real life.

[Opti]

"heck... even "nice b**bs" or "nice a$$" is not "pressure" or "intimidation" (aggressive or otherwise)"

I like Welts post. This to me though is the one that really needs addressing.

These are not comments you say to someone you don't know, in passing,

because you want to brighten her day.

For some women, either of those may be acceptable in the context of

certain male friendships, co-workers or most likely men they love.

Then it can actually occur in a situation of no pressure or intimidation

because there is trust and understanding between the woman and her commenter.

[billisonboard]

Nov 2, 2014 15:31:35 GMT -5 Opti said:

Bills, the image you posted in #392 was created because we are still a male-oriented society. That ad and similar ones are usually thought up by men, photographed by men and created because they are selling the thong and the women at the same time. ...

Yes, most of the individuals with power are men. I am a man. Therefore I have power. Not just that, I had power as a child and adolescent.

Males are a product of a socialization process over which they had no control just as females are.

[zibazinski]

Nov 2, 2014 17:11:22 GMT -5 Opti said:

"heck... even "nice b**bs" or "nice a$$" is not "pressure" or "intimidation" (aggressive or otherwise)"

I like Welts post. This to me though is the one that really needs addressing.

These are not comments you say to someone you don't know, in passing,

because you want to brighten her day.

For some women, either of those may be acceptable in the context of

certain male friendships, co-workers or most likely men they love.

Then it can actually occur in a situation of no pressure or intimidation

because there is trust and understanding between the woman and her commenter.

There it is! When DF says "Nice ass" to me, I chuckle and think love is blind, thank GOD. Some random asshole on the street saying that is totally different. They aren't trying to get to know me or ask me for a date, they are trying to intimidate me because they're losers.

[justme]

Nov 2, 2014 17:00:58 GMT -5 8 Bit WWBG said:

...:::"...a good rule of thumb would be "Would I say this to a man?" or, if it needs to be taken further "Would I say this to a man I respect?" If the answer is no, you should probably shut your trap and walk away.":::...

Heh.  I get what you are trying to say.  I'm imagining whether the pick up lines I might have used on the hottie in the makeup store are things I'd say to a man I respect.  "That dress goes so well with those boots".  Or: "That shade of lipstick will REALLY compliment your eyes".  Actually, I DID once tell a man I sort of respect that his blue dress shirt made his blue eyes pop.  But that was mainly just to get a reaction out of him.  Then again, I'd worked with him for years and that was par for the course, so far cry from harassment.

...:::"Think about the effect on young males who are bombarded constantly with such images as they begin to realize that they will never have any possibility of access to such women. The video shows one great example of how it warps a human being.":::...

I was going to make a similar point.  For a good number of guys, a longing stare and a dumb comment is the closest to that kind of hotness they'll get in real life.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up talking to someone in a store on a thread that is about yelling or hollering things at strange women on the street.

[Opti]

Nov 2, 2014 17:00:58 GMT -5 8 Bit WWBG said:

...:::"...a good rule of thumb would be "Would I say this to a man?" or, if it needs to be taken further "Would I say this to a man I respect?" If the answer is no, you should probably shut your trap and walk away.":::...

Heh.  I get what you are trying to say.  I'm imagining whether the pick up lines I might have used on the hottie in the makeup store are things I'd say to a man I respect.  "That dress goes so well with those boots".  Or: "That shade of lipstick will REALLY compliment your eyes".  Actually, I DID once tell a man I sort of respect that his blue dress shirt made his blue eyes pop.  But that was mainly just to get a reaction out of him.  Then again, I'd worked with him for years and that was par for the course, so far cry from harassment.

...:::"Think about the effect on young males who are bombarded constantly with such images as they begin to realize that they will never have any possibility of access to such women. The video shows one great example of how it warps a human being.":::...

I was going to make a similar point.  For a good number of guys, a longing stare and a dumb comment is the closest to that kind of hotness they'll get in real life.

Good post.

It should be OK that perhaps the majority of the men don't score the hottest

of women. It should be OK to aspire to someone on your same level of looks

and background. Why do we have to have things like King of Queens and similar

and nothing noteworthy in reverse?

[Opti]

Nov 2, 2014 17:11:21 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 2, 2014 15:31:35 GMT -5 Opti said:

Bills, the image you posted in #392 was created because we are still a male-oriented society. That ad and similar ones are usually thought up by men, photographed by men and created because they are selling the thong and the women at the same time. ...

Yes, most of the individuals with power are men. I am a man. Therefore I have power. Not just that, I had power as a child and adolescent.

Males are a product of a socialization process over which they had no control just as females are.

Yes I agree we all got sold the bill of social goods that was in vogue in our particular

area and time. But that's why its good to tweak it. It can not improve unless someone

wants it to improve and people take those actions to make it happen.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Nov 2, 2014 15:38:38 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

If it is necessary to be female to understand what it is like to be female, then it is necessary for one to be male to understand what it is like to be male.

I'm probably more tuned-in to the male psyche than the female psyche. Growing up in a household of 6 people, I was the youngest, and only girl. I had three older brothers, and father as the "men" in my life when I was young.

Every one of us kids were taught to be respectful to each other, and also respectful when out in public. My parents also led by example - in the way they interacted, treated or spoke to people. We were taught proper behavior at an early age. Having those 4 men in my life showed me what should be expected as proper behavior toward females (or anyone), and to accept nothing less.

The men in the video apparently didn't get those lessons of respect taught to them - or soon forgot them.

The men making comments like "God Bless You" or "Have a Nice Day" weren't accosting her.

Some of the men standing around were also saying things I wouldn't care to have said to me. - like "hey babe" or "God Bless Miami" - or "Damn, Girl!"

The two men who tailed after her and were far too persistent and invasive - getting into her personal space - were clearly out of line. Her body language and refusal to look at or acknowledge them made it abundantly clear she was not interested in engaging in conversation or anything else with them.

Dark said that the two men following her had threatened physical harm. He must have watched a different video than me. I've re-watched this one close to a dozen times trying to pick up on anything I might have previously missed. I didn't hear either man threaten her with harm - they were both too aggressive in their approach and "getting in her face" though.

The one guy in the white t-shirt said things like:

"Don't wanna talk to me?"
"Am I too ugly for you ta talk to?"
If I give you my number, will ya talk to me?"

Those aren't threats of harm - harassment, yes - but not threats.

This experiment isn't a realistic example of the overall male population in western society and the way they behave toward women though. If they'd filmed in a different "more opulent" section of the city, or even a different city, the results would have probably been far different and more positive.

I think this particular street was purposely chosen. Most streets don't have men just hanging around in groups outside, cat-calling or making comments to strangers all day long. It's probably an everyday occurrence in this particular neighborhood - and the residents there accept it as normal behavior - doing nothing to stop it.

The next generation of males living there will probably continue in the same way because they're not being taught differently.

Probably if they'd even moved uptown a few blocks from this street to film, the results would be different as well.

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Nov 2, 2014 17:11:22 GMT -5 Opti said:

For some women, either of those may be acceptable in the context of certain male friendships, co-workers or most likely men they love. Then it can actually occur in a situation of no pressure or intimidation because there is trust and understanding between the woman and her commenter.

This! If a gay friend told me tiki you have so pretty eyes or such I will feel happy and not harassed because I trust he did not say it to control me or else have me. Only it will be a sincere comment.

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Nov 2, 2014 17:44:06 GMT -5 ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ said:

Nov 2, 2014 15:38:38 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

If it is necessary to be female to understand what it is like to be female, then it is necessary for one to be male to understand what it is like to be male.

I'm probably more tuned-in to the male psyche than the female psyche. Growing up in a household of 6 people, I was the youngest, and only girl. I had three older brothers, and father as the "men" in my life when I was young.

Every one of us kids were taught to be respectful to each other, and also respectful when out in public. My parents also led by example - in the way they interacted, treated or spoke to people. We were taught proper behavior at an early age. Having those 4 men in my life showed me what should be expected as proper behavior toward females (or anyone), and to accept nothing less.

The men in the video apparently didn't get those lessons of respect taught to them - or soon forgot them.

The men making comments like "God Bless You" or "Have a Nice Day" weren't accosting her.

Some of the men standing around were also saying things I wouldn't care to have said to me. - like "hey babe" or "God Bless Miami" - or "Damn, Girl!"

The two men who tailed after her and were far too persistent and invasive - getting into her personal space - were clearly out of line. Her body language and refusal to look at or acknowledge them made it abundantly clear she was not interested in engaging in conversation or anything else with them.

Dark said that the two men following her had threatened physical harm. He must have watched a different video than me. I've re-watched this one close to a dozen times trying to pick up on anything I might have previously missed. I didn't hear either man threaten her with harm - they were both too aggressive in their approach and "getting in her face" though.

The one guy in the white t-shirt said things like:

"Don't wanna talk to me?"
"Am I too ugly for you ta talk to?"
If I give you my number, will ya talk to me?"

Those aren't threats of harm - harassment, yes - but not threats.

This experiment isn't a realistic example of the overall male population in western society and the way they behave toward women though. If they'd filmed in a different "more opulent" section of the city, or even a different city, the results would have probably been far different and more positive.

I think this particular street was purposely chosen. Most streets don't have men just hanging around in groups outside, cat-calling or making comments to strangers all day long. It's probably an everyday occurrence in this particular neighborhood - and the residents there accept it as normal behavior - doing nothing to stop it.

The next generation of males living there will probably continue in the same way because they're not being taught differently.

Probably if they'd even moved uptown a few blocks from this street to film, the results would be different as well.

I agree with most of what you said but it's not just this video.

My girlfriend can no longer run on the trail alone in town here even in the middle of the afternoon.

There are just to many "comments" to feel safe. 

It prevents women from doing things and going places and it's not  about walking thru a crummy neighborhood or somewhere late at night. It's all over the place .

[Opti]

it will work out, I think its because stores are the closest RL scenario

WWBG has to understanding the issue. I am enjoying his examples

even if they are not street harassment.

I love he is trying to understand versus trying to minimize the dialogue.

[Tennesseer]

My! What a you opened up, Shooby!

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Nov 2, 2014 16:41:40 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Nov 1, 2014 20:56:02 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

It's not "my" book... it's the Oxford English Dictionary.

Harassment: NOUN - Aggressive pressure or intimidation

"good morning" is not "pressure" or "intimidation" (aggressive or otherwise)
"nice dress" is not "pressure" or "intimidation" (aggressive or otherwise)
"want to get a drink?" is not "pressure" or "intimidation" (aggressive or otherwise)
heck... even "nice b**bs" or "nice a$$" is not "pressure" or "intimidation" (aggressive or otherwise)

They are all comments or opinion.

"Pressure" or "intimidation" are situations of "do {whatever} or else {bad consequence, with some form of 'will happen'}"

So, would these same people say "nice pants!" to a man? How about "Want to get a drink?" or "Nice ass!"
They would not. They're doing it for the secondary gain of sex and that's pressure and intimidation.
Would they say it to a 75 yr old woman? Again....no. It's always in the expectation of "getting some", and it's annoying as hell.

"want to get a drink" or "nice ass" is for secondary gain. I don't think "nice pants" is, necessarily. I'll tell a woman her hair style is awesome or her dress looks nice on her and it's definitely nothing sexual, just a compliment. Women have done the same, complimented me on my hair or something I'm wearing. If a man gives me a respectful compliment on the way I look, I say thank you. If he leaves it at that (and they often do), in my mind, it was just a random compliment from some guy. No big deal. Compliments from strangers don't annoy me, crude and crass comments (and staring!) do. 

I wonder how much of this is regional differences. I live in the south and it's pretty much guaranteed that if you're out and about around people, somebody is going to acknowledge you at some point unless you look like a weirdo or something, I guess. Sometimes it's a nod in greeting as you pass each other, or a smile and a "hello", and sometimes it's a random compliment. When I'm in other parts of the country I have to remember to not be so "friendly" so people won't think I'm crazy.  

[Opti]

Dark said that the two men following her had threatened physical harm. He must have watched a different video than me. I've re-watched this one close to a dozen times trying to pick up on anything I might have previously missed. I didn't hear either man threaten her with harm - they were both too aggressive in their approach and "getting in her face" though.

You don't have to verbally threaten with harm as a prelude to doing it.

It is just possible to grab and go as it were. The context of the situation can

be a red flag. Like Dark, I saw it as a situation that could escalate and get physical.

Do men say I am going to grab your ass before they do it when you are

riding on a subway train? There's a URL in another thread I should post. Not street

violence, but straight up S&M style sexual assault. At least two of the cases there

were no verbal warnings until Bam, slam head to the ground three times or

some such.

Yeah you can telegraph what you are going to do by talking about it, but

the sneak attack is usually more successful.

[justme]

Nov 2, 2014 17:53:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

it will work out, I think its because stores are the closest RL scenario

WWBG has to understanding the issue. I am enjoying his examples

even if they are not street harassment.

I love he is trying to understand versus trying to minimize the dialogue.

I'm not trying to minimize dialogue, I just think the circumstances of the two situations are too different to compare. Having had both happen to me (and I feel the need to point out only two instances of it happening in a store vs countless cat calls) what is appropriate for one is not the other.

Approaching someone in a store is decidedly more low risk for both parties, but especially the female, than on the street.

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Nov 2, 2014 18:21:58 GMT -5 justme said:

Nov 2, 2014 17:53:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

it will work out, I think its because stores are the closest RL scenario

WWBG has to understanding the issue. I am enjoying his examples

even if they are not street harassment.

I love he is trying to understand versus trying to minimize the dialogue.

I'm not trying to minimize dialogue, I just think the circumstances of the two situations are too different to compare. Having had both happen to me (and I feel the need to point out only two instances of it happening in a store vs countless cat calls) what is appropriate for one is not the other.

Approaching someone in a store is decidedly more low risk for both parties, but especially the female, than on the street.

Also it is more probable to happen on a street I think. If they behave bad in a store possibly there will be a old man present to scold them.

[Bonny]

Nov 2, 2014 17:00:58 GMT -5 8 Bit WWBG said:

...:::"Think about the effect on young males who are bombarded constantly with such images as they begin to realize that they will never have any possibility of access to such women. The video shows one great example of how it warps a human being.":::...

I was going to make a similar point.  For a good number of guys, a longing stare and a dumb comment is the closest to that kind of hotness they'll get in real life.

Those women aren't really real. The photos have been the equivalent of photo shopped.

I'm sure that they are attractive in real life but you'd be shocked at how much "work" has been done.

It's part of our crazy society that young men think women actually look like that and that young women try to emulate the models.

[ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ]

Invading somebody's personal space and following them is an implied threat of physical harm. She has no idea what they're thinking. They could be following her until they find a spot where not many other people are around so they can assault or rape her. The behavior itself is, or could be, threatening, even if no direct threat is made. It's a gray area

.



And if you watch the video closely, it seems when they filmed it, they had her walk up the same street more than one time - like she possibly circled the block and walked by them again. That's more likely to get the men to sit up and take notice of her. They probably also have the same usual people hanging out there all day so they're used to familiar faces - sthis new and unfamiliar woman was out of place to them and stood out more . Walking by them again also drew attention to her.

She also walked down what appeared to be an alleyway - where the one guy in the jacket was trailing her. I don't know of too many women who'd do that in a neighborhood they're unfamiliar with.

The person who was ahead of her filming with the camera hidden in his backpack would have also been quite visible. Did these men not even notice his presence and close proximity to her.

The text on the website says she received over 100 verbal threats - or threats of physical harm/rape. She was heckled, whistled at, and had some guys say things that they wouldn't say to their own mother or sister - and wouldn't appreciate someone else saying them to a female family member or girlfriend.

It was staged to purposely create a strong response - which it's getting. I'm in no way minimalizing that there is a problem in gender bias or harassment of women (or men) or being approached inappropriately. It happens - and happens anywhere. Not to the degree they're trying to portray.

This video doesn't reflect the attitudes and behavior of the overall general male population - in North America, or Europe and other western cultures. Not even close - and not even 1/100 of a percent. This is a microscopic little piece of the world - one street and one alleyway - in a carefully chosen neighborhood.

I'd be interested to see what the results would show if they did this experiment in different cities, different neighborhoods and areas where the population is more predominately a certain race. This neighborhood was predominantly black. If they filmed in an area predominantly white, or Asian (like a "Chinatown" district for example), I wonder what the results would show. I doubt the outcome would be the same as this video is trying to portray as the unacceptabl behavior of males in in general in our society.

Even some of the men here are taking a verbal beating for their opinions on this thread.

I don't agree with what a few have said (like the "what time do your legs open" comment for example), but most of the guys here are taking quite the tongue-lashing just for speaking up with their slant and opinion. Richard, Bills, Tenn, etc.

[zibazinski]

Tenn's point of view seems to be more reasonable that the others that say she was "asking for it." Don't lump him with the others. 

[Bonny]

Nov 2, 2014 19:07:06 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Tenn's point of view seems to be more reasonable that the others that say she was "asking for it." Don't lump him with the others. 

That wasn't said, Zib.

It's more along the lines that it's no big deal or that it's not harassment.

Dark gets it. WWGW got it too.

[weltschmerz]

This experiment isn't a realistic example of the overall male population in western society and the way they behave toward women though. If they'd filmed in a different "more opulent" section of the city, or even a different city, the results would have probably been far different and more positive.

I think this particular street was purposely chosen. Most streets don't have men just hanging around in groups outside, cat-calling or making comments to strangers all day long. It's probably an everyday occurrence in this particular neighborhood - and the residents there accept it as normal behavior - doing nothing to stop it.

Duh.
Of course it was purposely chosen. I don't know why you keep commenting on that.
Why choose a street in an "opulent" area, where everyone zooms by in their BMWs and there's nobody standing around? What would be the point?