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Post by sesfw on Oct 18, 2014 9:15:19 GMT -5
Now that gay marriage is becoming the law of the land I wonder what the next protest will be.
IMHO it seems like there are professional protesters who go from place to place to get and keep the populace stirred up. Wonder how much they get paid.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 18, 2014 9:29:14 GMT -5
Yep, first it was them women folk and voting, then the colored, followed by homosexuals. Gotta wonder who next.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 18, 2014 9:31:18 GMT -5
Colored got to vote first, even before women. That's so funny to hear that term. Reminds me of my grandma and me getting in trouble for giggling when she used that term. But that was polite in her generation.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 18, 2014 9:36:48 GMT -5
Colored got to vote first, even before women. That's so funny to hear that term. Reminds me of my grandma and me getting in trouble for giggling when she used that term. But that was polite in her generation. Yes'um, but only the colored men. And they didn't get it protestin' (which happens to be the thread topic).
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 18, 2014 9:42:48 GMT -5
True that.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 18, 2014 10:15:59 GMT -5
If we hadn't given those damn women the right to vote, we would have never had prohibition, and we might not have income taxes today. Girls ruin everything.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 18, 2014 10:21:37 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 18, 2014 10:26:15 GMT -5
Back to the original post. There is always someone claiming to be the next "Civil Rights" movement. Immigration was claiming that, and then gay marriage muscled their way in. I wouldn't be surprised if we go back to immigration issues, as that is not settled at this time. As the economy picks up, it will become a thing again.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 18, 2014 10:28:23 GMT -5
Or minimum wage. That's always a button pusher.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 18, 2014 10:32:13 GMT -5
PETA could make another big push.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 18, 2014 10:55:20 GMT -5
Where do women, black people and gays get the gall to say their lives matter? The nerve of them all.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Oct 18, 2014 12:25:46 GMT -5
I heard a discussion on this topic the other day. Basically the guy said that he views marriage a a legal institution with a relgious meaning to some people. So to him, "gay marriage" didn't really matter...but at the same time, if somebody really does feel it is against their religion, churches shouldn't feel pressured to perform a ceremony, just like now when a church has the right to refuse doing any ceremony for any reason.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 18, 2014 12:27:56 GMT -5
I heard a discussion on this topic the other day. Basically the guy said that he views marriage a a legal institution with a relgious meaning to some people. So to him, "gay marriage" didn't really matter...but at the same time, if somebody really does feel it is against their religion, churches shouldn't feel pressured to perform a ceremony, just like now when a church has the right to refuse doing any ceremony for any reason. I don't think there's been any support expressed for forcing churches to perform gay marriages. Some churches have chosen to do so. Others have not. I don't see that changing.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 18, 2014 12:31:05 GMT -5
My husband and I are happily married, but I have said to him many times that I had no idea what kind of legal contract we were entering into when we got married. And we went through pre-marital counseling and everything. No one ever mentioned - oh, by the way, here are all the legal rights you are giving your spouse when you sign the marriage license...
I really wish our society would emphasize the legal aspects of marriage a lot more than the love, and fidelity and whatever. Not that those things aren't important, but if you had to sign off on each one of the rights you are implicitly giving your spouse, you would have to really think about how much you actually trust this person. That is easily swept under the carpet when you just say "I can't wait to wake up every morning with you, and that is why I know our life will be awesome forever."
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Oct 18, 2014 12:34:47 GMT -5
I heard a discussion on this topic the other day. Basically the guy said that he views marriage a a legal institution with a relgious meaning to some people. So to him, "gay marriage" didn't really matter...but at the same time, if somebody really does feel it is against their religion, churches shouldn't feel pressured to perform a ceremony, just like now when a church has the right to refuse doing any ceremony for any reason. I don't think there's been any support expressed for forcing churches to perform gay marriages. Some churches have chosen to do so. Others have not. I don't see that changing. The person talking about it said the same thing...just pointing out his view on the issue and discussing some concerns that people were having about churches being forced to perform ceremonies or be labeled as being "political" or for "hate speech" by speaking out against it. The guy doing the talking, didn't get married in a church.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 18, 2014 12:38:19 GMT -5
I don't think there's been any support expressed for forcing churches to perform gay marriages. Some churches have chosen to do so. Others have not. I don't see that changing. The person talking about it said the same thing...just pointing out his view on the issue and discussing some concerns that people were having about churches being forced to perform ceremonies or be labeled as being "political" or for "hate speech" by speaking out against it. The guy doing the talking, didn't get married in a church. Where do these "people" get the notion churches are going to be forced to perform gay marriages? Churches aren't forced to perform any marriages now. Seems to me the people who are concerned about this are looking for something to be concerned about so they can fight gay marriage and justify it. That's just my take on it.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 18, 2014 12:38:56 GMT -5
You can choose not to perform the ceremonies without really "speaking out" against it.
My friends went to a church that wouldn't perform their marriage because they lived together. They were very quiet about it. When the couple went in to talk about their wedding, the minister said "Here is our position. Here are our reasons. If you would like to live apart between now and the wedding, we have a member who has a guest house that they will let one of you live in until after the ceremony." My friends declined and got married elsewhere, and continued to attend the church with no further issue.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 18, 2014 12:48:03 GMT -5
Simple oberservations: Churches don't perform weddings, a person performs the wedding. Churches can host weddings. A congregation could choose to no longer have a person be their pastor for whatever reason. A larger religious organization could choose to no longer recognize a person as being a pastor for their religion for whatever reason. A person has many options when it comes to being able to perform weddings that are sanctioned by the state. Sometimes I post things that might or might not matter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 18:50:18 GMT -5
Well... once we get "gay marriage" out of the way, everywhere, my guess is the next one will be poly marriage.
That's just a guess though.
Or it could be pot. or it could be prostitution.
I really don't know for sure. I'll leave my guess at one of the three... because none of them should be illegal anyway.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Oct 18, 2014 19:01:07 GMT -5
Now that gay marriage is becoming the law of the land I wonder what the next protest will be.
IMHO it seems like there are professional protesters who go from place to place to get and keep the populace stirred up. Wonder how much they get paid. They usually get paid diddley-squat - except the self-satisfaction of causing disruption and getting attention. Look at the ones who protest/picket soldiers' funerals - or in the past, inter-racial marriage, alcohol, etc etc .
Now it's Gay marriage, one religion or another, or any other "cause of the day" like the legal right to grow/smoke weed, or anything else they want to stir the sh*t up about.
Most are just radical loons with nothing better to do with their time.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 18, 2014 19:14:58 GMT -5
Well... once we get "gay marriage" out of the way, everywhere, my guess is the next one will be poly marriage. That's just a guess though. Or it could be pot. or it could be prostitution. I really don't know for sure. I'll leave my guess at one of the three... because none of them should be illegal anyway. There have already been massive protest marches for legalized pot. Okay not massive. But they would have been except:
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Oct 18, 2014 19:25:37 GMT -5
LOL, billisonboard - now there's your classic stoner.
Watch the YouTube of him singing Freaker's Ball - I think the entire band's wasted..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 20:57:59 GMT -5
My husband and I are happily married, but I have said to him many times that I had no idea what kind of legal contract we were entering into when we got married. And we went through pre-marital counseling and everything. No one ever mentioned - oh, by the way, here are all the legal rights you are giving your spouse when you sign the marriage license... I really wish our society would emphasize the legal aspects of marriage a lot more than the love, and fidelity and whatever. Not that those things aren't important, but if you had to sign off on each one of the rights you are implicitly giving your spouse, you would have to really think about how much you actually trust this person. That is easily swept under the carpet when you just say "I can't wait to wake up every morning with you, and that is why I know our life will be awesome forever." I agree with it. When you have love marriage your eyes will glaze and your heart will go fast but its gonna not last a long time 3 years maximum. Then your stuck. Probably its why arranged marriages have less divorce rate.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 18, 2014 21:51:40 GMT -5
let's decriminalize pot. seriously.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 18, 2014 22:10:58 GMT -5
let's decriminalize pot. seriously. I support doing it. joyfully.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Oct 18, 2014 22:20:23 GMT -5
Are you effing serious? Three years max is your limit for a happy marriage? And you think an arranged marriage to a near (or total) stranger has a lower divorce rate? I'd like to know what YOU'RE smoking. Must be good stuff. .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 22:25:37 GMT -5
Are you effing serious? Three years max is your limit for a happy marriage? And you think an arranged marriage to a near (or total) stranger has a lower divorce rate? I'd like to know what YOU'RE smoking. Must be good stuff. . Its not important if you like to believe it or not check out the numbers. And please don't change my words I did not say happy marriage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 22:30:06 GMT -5
Are you effing serious? Three years max is your limit for a happy marriage? And you think an arranged marriage to a near (or total) stranger has a lower divorce rate? I'd like to know what YOU'RE smoking. Must be good stuff. In fairness, arranged marriages usually DO have a lower divorce rate... But it's not because the couples are always deliriously happy. It's usually due to the sociological way of life that produces arranged marriages. Societies where (usually) women don't have equal say to men, and so they can't get out of the marriage they were forced into, and men like having control over their property (wife) so do not like to give it up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 22:32:59 GMT -5
Are you effing serious? Three years max is your limit for a happy marriage? And you think an arranged marriage to a near (or total) stranger has a lower divorce rate? I'd like to know what YOU'RE smoking. Must be good stuff. In fairness, arranged marriages usually DO have a lower divorce rate... But it's not because the couples are always deliriously happy. It's usually due to the sociological way of life that produces arranged marriages. Societies where (usually) women don't have equal say to men, and so they can't get out of the marriage they were forced into, and men like having control over their property (wife) so do not like to give it up. Ya probably its nothing about when we go in to marriage we expect it will be for life and we try to make it work. Also divorce rate is low for arranged marriages when couples live in USA. Funny we are not "property" at USA.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 22:34:09 GMT -5
I do agree with the complete and utter disassociation of the bond between marriage and church though. "Legal marriage" and "Religious marriage" should have nothing what-so-ever to do with each other. Get married in a courthouse or at the Clerk's office if you want it recognized by the state... THEN go have it done at a Church (if you can find one that will do it for you) if you want a religious one too.
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