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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2014 11:40:32 GMT -5
I'm waiting to see if NYC decides to torch all of this guys possessions or not. i think you are going to see a very different response than the "Texas response": fumble around, talk about quarantines, burn belongings, and stonewall.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 24, 2014 12:05:17 GMT -5
now we will get a case study in how a Blue state deals with this problem. let's see how that goes. And here we have another case of a healthcare worker thinking he is above passing the disease. Bowling the night before he has the fever.
Before you have symptoms you are not contagious. When he had symptoms he took all the right steps. So I'm not really seeing the problem here, except for paranoia.
I'm willing to bet no one in the general public will have caught ebola from this guy. And until we start having cases where the general public is catching the disease from others, there will be no outbreak here & no reason to worry at all.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 24, 2014 12:23:06 GMT -5
Seems low class for a doctor to be bowling. Was this guy a real doctor? dude. he was a volunteer doctor in AFRICA. that is all you need to know, right? LOL! I know several doctors who bowl. They've got teams. They like to bowl. Oddly enough, they're people. Go figure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 12:33:34 GMT -5
First nurse is now Ebola free! 10 days from the onset of symptoms she's out the door and never listed in any worse than "fair" condition. Maybe perfecting the treatment will cut some of the paranoia here.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2014 12:57:54 GMT -5
First nurse is now Ebola free! 10 days from the onset of symptoms she's out the door and never listed in any worse than "fair" condition. Maybe perfecting the treatment will cut some of the paranoia here. the right is always bragging about how awesome our treatment is here, maybe they should show a little confidence in it....y'think?
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Post by Opti on Oct 24, 2014 13:02:13 GMT -5
10 days from the onset of symptoms she's out the door and never listed in any worse than "fair" condition. Maybe perfecting the treatment will cut some of the paranoia here. the right is always bragging about how awesome our treatment is here, maybe they should show a little confidence in it....y'think? Nah... their fear reflex has been honed to a sharp edge. Obviously that's far stronger than reason and things they say they believe in. YMMV. (And not all people on the right, just those who seem to have fear of the week issues.)
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 24, 2014 16:19:24 GMT -5
I shall expect daily updates of new influenza cases and anecdotal stories this season (little Abbey Anne went to pre-K with sniffles and gave the flu to her classmates (for example)). In the mean time the score is tied: one Ebola death vs. one flu complications death (and maybe more deaths since the article is dated October 8, 2014): Idaho reports first flu related death of season
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2014 16:20:59 GMT -5
hey, if we want to go whole hog fighting infectious disease, i am game.
let's make a list of infectious diseases that kill, start at the top and work down.
we should hit ebola in about......30 years?
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Post by lynnerself on Oct 24, 2014 17:26:33 GMT -5
New Jersey and New York take things into their own hands UPDATE 9-Two US states to quarantine health workers returning from Ebola zones New York and New Jersey will automatically quarantine all medical workers returning from Ebola-hit West African countries in.reuters.com/article/2014/10/24/health-ebola-usa-idINL2N0SJ0HO20141024So now do we start quarantine of every health worker in the US that works with an Ebola patient? I wonder how many people have been involved with this patient at Bellevue Hospital?
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2014 20:01:29 GMT -5
New Jersey and New York take things into their own hands UPDATE 9-Two US states to quarantine health workers returning from Ebola zones New York and New Jersey will automatically quarantine all medical workers returning from Ebola-hit West African countries in.reuters.com/article/2014/10/24/health-ebola-usa-idINL2N0SJ0HO20141024So now do we start quarantine of every health worker in the US that works with an Ebola patient? I wonder how many people have been involved with this patient at Bellevue Hospital? i think the federal government should block these decisions, personally. edit: that having been said, this is far better than a travel ban.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 25, 2014 8:30:30 GMT -5
New Jersey and New York take things into their own hands UPDATE 9-Two US states to quarantine health workers returning from Ebola zones New York and New Jersey will automatically quarantine all medical workers returning from Ebola-hit West African countries in.reuters.com/article/2014/10/24/health-ebola-usa-idINL2N0SJ0HO20141024So now do we start quarantine of every health worker in the US that works with an Ebola patient? I wonder how many people have been involved with this patient at Bellevue Hospital? i think the federal government should block these decisions, personally. edit: that having been said, this is far better than a travel ban. Let's add the President's adopted home state, the great state of Illinois to the list! Obviously even his home state is not taking his word on this disease
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 25, 2014 8:35:25 GMT -5
I do not understand the animosity of posters who ridicule people worrying about a disease that can be basically stopped at the borders of Africa rather than the city limits, of Dallas or NYC. The flu, we know can not be stopped at the border. I for one, have no problem implementing a 21 day quarantine for preventive purposes until this disease transmission is officially and more importantly, correctly, figured out. An oz of precaution............
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2014 8:36:25 GMT -5
New Jersey and New York take things into their own hands UPDATE 9-Two US states to quarantine health workers returning from Ebola zones New York and New Jersey will automatically quarantine all medical workers returning from Ebola-hit West African countries in.reuters.com/article/2014/10/24/health-ebola-usa-idINL2N0SJ0HO20141024So now do we start quarantine of every health worker in the US that works with an Ebola patient? I wonder how many people have been involved with this patient at Bellevue Hospital? Something to think about. If we start quarantining every health worker who is exposed to an Ebola patient, who's going to take care of the other patients? If, as some worry, Ebola were to spread, who'd take care of the victims? Mind you, I don't believe it will but ...
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Post by 973beachbum on Oct 25, 2014 9:52:31 GMT -5
New Jersey and New York take things into their own hands UPDATE 9-Two US states to quarantine health workers returning from Ebola zones New York and New Jersey will automatically quarantine all medical workers returning from Ebola-hit West African countries in.reuters.com/article/2014/10/24/health-ebola-usa-idINL2N0SJ0HO20141024So now do we start quarantine of every health worker in the US that works with an Ebola patient? I wonder how many people have been involved with this patient at Bellevue Hospital? Something to think about. If we start quarantining every health worker who is exposed to an Ebola patient, who's going to take care of the other patients? If, as some worry, Ebola were to spread, who'd take care of the victims? Mind you, I don't believe it will but ... My first thought was who is going to go to places like Liberia to care for the ebola patients there if we do this? Most people I know who volunteer for things like Dr's without borders do so at the expense of all their free time for the year and some even more, and I know a few dr's and nurses who did it. If they knew they had to do a 3 week quarantine on top most wouldn't be able to do it at all. The quarantine alone would eat up just about all the time they have to give. Add this in and it makes the entire trip out of the question. It is so sad to think of all those people getting even less help than they are getting now and lord knows it isn't much as it is.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2014 12:09:03 GMT -5
i think the federal government should block these decisions, personally. edit: that having been said, this is far better than a travel ban. Let's add the President's adopted home state, the great state of Illinois to the list! Obviously even his home state is not taking his word on this disease
there was a time when everyone thought the PATRIOT Act was a good idea, as well.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2014 12:13:49 GMT -5
I do not understand the animosity of posters who ridicule people worrying about a disease that can be basically stopped at the borders of Africa rather than the city limits, of Dallas or NYC.
i am not sure that animus is a fair description of how i feel. it is more like confusion and frustration. i don't understand people that ignore science.
The flu, we know can not be stopped at the border.
that is because it is airborne.
I for one, have no problem implementing a 21 day quarantine for preventive purposes until this disease transmission is officially and more importantly, correctly, figured out. An oz of precaution............ you are not thinking straight, imo. here is how it lays out for me: 1) in order to stop this disease, it has to be fought in AFRICA. 2) in order to be stopped in AFRICA, we and all other developed nations need to deploy resources to those countries. 3) in order to do the above at a minimal cost, we will need volunteers. 4) asking someone to give up a few weeks of their lives is no big deal. lots of people will do that. however, if we subject them to leper colonies on their return, that will mean fewer people will volunteer, which will hamper the effort. you having less trouble understanding now, or is it STILL not making sense to you? your ounce of prevention is killing people, bro. edit: that having been said, a TRAVEL BAN would make volunteering pretty much non-existent. let's all pray it does not get that crazy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2014 12:15:12 GMT -5
Something to think about. If we start quarantining every health worker who is exposed to an Ebola patient, who's going to take care of the other patients? If, as some worry, Ebola were to spread, who'd take care of the victims? Mind you, I don't believe it will but ... My first thought was who is going to go to places like Liberia to care for the ebola patients there if we do this? Most people I know who volunteer for things like Dr's without borders do so at the expense of all their free time for the year and some even more, and I know a few dr's and nurses who did it. If they knew they had to do a 3 week quarantine on top most wouldn't be able to do it at all. The quarantine alone would eat up just about all the time they have to give. Add this in and it makes the entire trip out of the question. It is so sad to think of all those people getting even less help than they are getting now and lord knows it isn't much as it is. it is not just sad for them. ultimately, it is sad for us. if we don't control ebola in Africa, we WILL eventually get it here, en masse. that is something to fear.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 12:29:07 GMT -5
Something to think about. If we start quarantining every health worker who is exposed to an Ebola patient, who's going to take care of the other patients? If, as some worry, Ebola were to spread, who'd take care of the victims? Mind you, I don't believe it will but ... My first thought was who is going to go to places like Liberia to care for the ebola patients there if we do this? Most people I know who volunteer for things like Dr's without borders do so at the expense of all their free time for the year and some even more, and I know a few dr's and nurses who did it. If they knew they had to do a 3 week quarantine on top most wouldn't be able to do it at all. The quarantine alone would eat up just about all the time they have to give. Add this in and it makes the entire trip out of the question. It is so sad to think of all those people getting even less help than they are getting now and lord knows it isn't much as it is. I don't think it matters at this point, because I don't think an employer would allow the Dr. or nurse to return to work before the 21 days are up. One of the first things I heard about this Dr. was from his employer stating he had not returned to work or treated any patients.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2014 12:33:51 GMT -5
the battle to conquer ebola in Africa should matter MORE than our war on terror.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2014 12:40:18 GMT -5
the battle to conquer ebola in Africa should matter MORE than our war on terror. Ebola IS terror. Here, we only have a smattering of folks who are terrified. In West Africa, I'd be willing to bet there are far more than that!
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2014 12:45:11 GMT -5
the battle to conquer ebola in Africa should matter MORE than our war on terror. Ebola IS terror. Here, we only have a smattering of folks who are terrified. In West Africa, I'd be willing to bet there are far more than that! millions upon millions. and if we don't help, they will flee like rats on a sinking ship, to GOD KNOWS WHERE.
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Post by Angel! on Oct 25, 2014 12:52:07 GMT -5
I do not understand the animosity of posters who ridicule people worrying about a disease that can be basically stopped at the borders of Africa rather than the city limits, of Dallas or NYC. The flu, we know can not be stopped at the border. I for one, have no problem implementing a 21 day quarantine for preventive purposes until this disease transmission is officially and more importantly, correctly, figured out. An oz of precaution............ Transmission is understood. This is not a new disease. You are not contagious until you have symptoms and even then you are not very contagious until you are extremely ill. No one in the general public has yet to catch the disease. Quarantining symptom free people for 3 week is simple unnecessary and a drain on the system.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2014 13:03:59 GMT -5
I do not understand the animosity of posters who ridicule people worrying about a disease that can be basically stopped at the borders of Africa rather than the city limits, of Dallas or NYC. The flu, we know can not be stopped at the border. I for one, have no problem implementing a 21 day quarantine for preventive purposes until this disease transmission is officially and more importantly, correctly, figured out. An oz of precaution............ Transmission is understood. This is not a new disease. You are not contagious until you have symptoms and even then you are not very contagious until you are extremely ill. No one in the general public has yet to catch the disease. Quarantining symptom free people for 3 week is simple unnecessary and a drain on the system. the cost of fear is quite high. that is probably why there are so many merchants pushing the stuff.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 25, 2014 13:24:40 GMT -5
this episode in our history is bringing a new and deeper meaning to "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" to me.
alright. everyone have a pleasant day. i am spending it with my extended family.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2014 13:40:30 GMT -5
Ebola IS terror. Here, we only have a smattering of folks who are terrified. In West Africa, I'd be willing to bet there are far more than that! millions upon millions. and if we don't help, they will flee like rats on a sinking ship, to GOD KNOWS WHERE. Ya know, getting old sucks! If it weren't for mother's needs and being too darned old, I'd be there in a heartbeat! It's a huge opportunity to be of real service to the world. I know quite a few doctors, nurses, practitioners, and PAs who have been active in this sort of thing world-wide. I've done it myself through DMAT. It's more than worth the time, the risk, and the effort to know you're actually doing something worthwhile. It would be a shame if those who put themselves out there are made to feel like pariahs for having done so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 13:50:28 GMT -5
If these volunteers are selfless enough to go work in the hot zone I would think they would be selfless enough to stay at home for 21 days after returning. That is the only leper colony/witch hunt quarantine I have heard about so far. Tell me if I'm missing something. I wonder the exact moment the dr. goes from being healthy to infectious. I'm sure that was the exact same moment he got himself to the hospital. The Noro virus isn't airborne either but spreads rather quickly. People carry a lot of poop along with them. Just look a swab done on a grocery cart or a cell phone. It is amazing what you find on one.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2014 13:57:47 GMT -5
If these volunteers are selfless enough to go work in the hot zone I would think they would be selfless enough to stay at home for 21 days after returning. That is the only leper colony/witch hunt quarantine I have heard about so far. Tell me if I'm missing something. I wonder the exact moment the dr. goes from being healthy to infectious. I'm sure that was the exact same moment he got himself to the hospital. The Noro virus isn't airborne either but spreads rather quickly. People carry a lot of poop along with them. Just look a swab done on a grocery cart or a cell phone. It is amazing what you find on one.
The Ebola virus is different in that there is very little of the virus in the bloodstream in the early stages. Once it gets going, it interferes with the body's production of interferon (think immune system) and starts to replicate wildly. That's why it's so very dangerous in the later stages. At the point you're just starting to run a fever, there's very little chance of passing the virus because there's very little there to pass and the virus can't live on surfaces more than a few hours.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2014 14:53:50 GMT -5
Yep. If you're feeling "fluish", it's probably a good idea to get checked out if you think you might have been exposed. If you're feeling fatigued for no reason, or don't want to eat, have an unexplained headache or abdominal pain, get a check up instead of worrying yourself sicker. Or, worry yourself sick. It's a choice, I suppose.
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