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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 3, 2011 12:51:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2011 12:52:55 GMT -5
Are we talking about gays?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 3, 2011 12:59:53 GMT -5
No. There wouldn't be any gay people under Sharia.
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Post by Angel! on Mar 3, 2011 13:05:04 GMT -5
Here again, we seem to have a problem with some people not understanding the use of SARCASM to make the point that we DO NOT behave like radical islamists. There's no global threat of extremist Christianity. There is a very real threat of extremist islamists. In your opinion. Others may see groups like Concerned Chrisitians, Orange Volunteers, Army of God, and NFLT, as christian terrorists groups that behave just like radical islamists. The thing is there are extremists on all sides & you can't assume the majority supports these extremists. Not all muslims are a threat to the US simply because there are a few extremists that are a threat.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 3, 2011 13:10:11 GMT -5
Would you please direct me to the accounts of fatal attacks, beheadings, bombings, airline hijackings and shootings these groups have perpetrated on American citizens, I can't seem to find anything? Thanks!
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 3, 2011 13:18:15 GMT -5
Not all muslims are a threat to the US simply because there are a few extremists that are a threat.
There are more than just "a few" and I reiterate that all practicing "real" Muslims would side with their compatriots in the end. In other words that would not be a good thing for you and I. There is still plenty of time to avert this possibility however their numbers are growing exponentially and there is power in numbers. If possible, I would like to hear from liberals as to what point this would start being a concern for you. The US is reported to be about 2% Muslim. Would 10% be a concern? What about 25%... 50%...? Remember this is not a Muslim country but was built by great men who followed Christianity for the most part.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 3, 2011 13:19:09 GMT -5
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Post by Angel! on Mar 3, 2011 13:22:58 GMT -5
They don't all operate in the US - I am simply pointing out that contrary to WCP's statement there are christian radicals who have "end goals" that most christians don't agree with. Just like there are radical muslims with "end goals" that most muslims don't agree with. Here are a few incidents: Army of God - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)Concerned Christians - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerned_Christians
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 3, 2011 13:24:15 GMT -5
So, one more time:
Would you please direct me to the accounts of fatal attacks, beheadings, bombings, airline hijackings and shootings these groups have perpetrated on American citizens, I can't seem to find anything (and it looks like you can't either)? Thanks!
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Post by dmsm on Mar 3, 2011 13:24:48 GMT -5
And I am sure there are no Catholics that eat meat on Friday.Maybe I shouldn't have included that so as to avoid the typical liberal response of bringing up other religions and whatever shortcomings their followers may have. How about we stick to the issue which is Muslims, their encroachment to the west and how liberals are aiding in their quest of world dominance.... So i guess freedom of religion only means those you accept? Now I am not talking about Sharias law here I am talking about your staement. If you want to talk shortcomings I can probably come up with a few for the Christian faith too.
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Post by Angel! on Mar 3, 2011 13:25:39 GMT -5
There are more than just "a few" and I reiterate that all practicing "real" Muslims would side with their compatriots in the end. I would disagree with you on that point, so I have no concern with the % of muslims in the US. The US was founded on religious tolerance & freedom, so I would welcome all who want to be american & enjoy this great country.
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Post by Angel! on Mar 3, 2011 13:28:21 GMT -5
So, one more time: Would you please direct me to the accounts of fatal attacks, beheadings, bombings, airline hijackings and shootings these groups have perpetrated on American citizens, I can't seem to find anything (and it looks like you can't either)? Thanks! In just the statement I provided it listed a number of assassination on abortion providers, but ultimately you are trying to shift the conversation. My point was never that these people are attacking americans, just that they are christian extremists - it doesn't matter who they are attacking, but that they are doing it in the name of their religion. As a christian, do you agree with their tactics & ultimate goals? Most christians don't, just as most muslims don't agree with what the radical islamists groups are doing.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 3, 2011 13:38:18 GMT -5
so I would welcome all who want to be american & enjoy this great country.
I also have no problem with people who assimilate 100%. The ones that come here and want their life to be like it was back home (with all the perks of an industrialized first world society), have a mosque in every neighborhood and be exempt from certain laws, such as Obamacare, on the grounds of "religious beliefs" are the main concern. I see you simply do not want to respond to my question since giving any percentage would negate everything you seem to stand for though everyone has their own number in mind.
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Post by swamp on Mar 3, 2011 13:41:49 GMT -5
so I would welcome all who want to be american & enjoy this great country.I also have no problem with people who assimilate 100%. The ones that come here and want their life to be like it was back home (with all the perks of an industrialized first world society), have a mosque in every neighborhood and be exempt from certain laws, such as Obamacare, on the grounds of "religious beliefs" are the main concern. I see you simply do not want to respond to my question since giving any percentage would negate everything you seem to stand for though everyone has their own number in mind. Eh, since you think Obamacare is unconstitutional anyway, so what? I think the assimilation is a great idea. Which native american tribe are you going to join?
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 3, 2011 13:42:55 GMT -5
So what about Jehovah' Witnesses, Catholics, and other Christians who are doing everything you just mentioned?
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Post by Angel! on Mar 3, 2011 13:45:29 GMT -5
I didn't give a percentage because there is no % at which I would become concerned. I don't care if everyone in the country other than me is muslim, as long as we all still have the religious freedoms that this country was based on.
What is wrong with a mosque in every neighborhood? We have churches in every neighborhood.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 3, 2011 13:47:43 GMT -5
Jehovah Witnesses aren't assimilated into America? They were founded in America! And which Catholics and "other Christians" don't assimilate into our Judeo-Christian culture? Your posts are getting stranger every day...
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 3, 2011 13:56:32 GMT -5
What is wrong with a mosque in every neighborhood?
We will never agree, that is evident. What is wrong about a mosque in every neighborhood is the fact we are not a Muslim country. We were built on Christian values. Immigrants to this country should assimilate to our culture. We did not ask them to come here, at least I didn't. I do not want to walk around and see mosques everywhere. If I did I'd move to the middle east and convert to Islam. I guess in your naive view you would allow Islam to grow until they had the power to wipe you out. What would you do if they finally reached numbers where they could vote Sharia to govern the country and the Constitution was abolished? Don't tell me it isn't possible if everyone thought the way you did about the situation.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 3, 2011 13:57:24 GMT -5
So, one more time: Would you please direct me to the accounts of fatal attacks, beheadings, bombings, airline hijackings and shootings these groups have perpetrated on American citizens, I can't seem to find anything (and it looks like you can't either)? Thanks! I did. The link is in my post. We could also discuss the Ku Klux Klan, Army of God, and several others. All are guilty of killing American citizens.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 3, 2011 14:02:02 GMT -5
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 3, 2011 14:02:58 GMT -5
We could also discuss the Ku Klux Klan
How out of context could you possibly be...
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Post by Angel! on Mar 3, 2011 14:13:06 GMT -5
We were built on Christian values. We became a nation because the people immigrating were fleeing religious persecution. The first admendment is about freedom of religion. To say that this only applies to christian religions is ridiculous. We didn't assimilate to the native americans culture & they certainly didn't ask us to come here. That is your opinion, but this opinion is not (& shouldn't be) backed by any laws. Again this country was founded on freedom of religion. There is your bigoted/uneducated view that they all want to wipe us out. Many muslims have no interest in trying to convert the us to sharia law or trying to convert everyone to islam. It is ironic that you want to do to them exactly what you claim they are trying to do to us. You want to force them to assimilate 100% for the fear if they don't then they will force us to assimilate to their lifestyle. Many people believe it doesn't have to be one or the other, there is no reason we can't live in harmony with our different religious views.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 3, 2011 14:16:47 GMT -5
Yes, but on the other hand, a lot of them do, and they believe the only way to do it is through violence. Don't you think we should react to that threat?
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 3, 2011 14:25:56 GMT -5
...how come we have no "forest" or "trees" emoticons? those could come in real handy, imo...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 3, 2011 14:26:43 GMT -5
...that's it...
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Post by Angel! on Mar 3, 2011 14:36:13 GMT -5
We should react to the few that do believe the only solution is violence. There is no need to declare war on an entire religion simply because it has a few zealots.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 3, 2011 14:38:28 GMT -5
That would require profiling...a big no-no for the libs...
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Post by Loopdilou on Mar 3, 2011 14:39:27 GMT -5
...how come we have no "forest" or "trees" emoticons? those could come in real handy, imo... Oh you mean an emoticon that shows you think the actions of a few trees are representative of an entire forest? Yah, we do need that.
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Post by Angel! on Mar 3, 2011 14:40:18 GMT -5
That wouldn't require profiling, it would require tracking down terrorists the same way we do now. The no-no would be to just assume all muslims are secret sharia-loving terrorists at heart.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Mar 3, 2011 14:54:19 GMT -5
it would require tracking down terrorists the same way we do now.
Ha ha - do you know how much that is costing you? Try trillions. Do you really think it is worth it? I do not therefore believe we should not have let so many into the country when we have no way of knowing if they will become a danger to American society (Fort Hood) or create offspring who become radicalized (a major problem in Europe).
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