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Post by Opti on Oct 2, 2017 21:36:36 GMT -5
This is off topic, but here's a timeline of the ACA for those who are interested. There are parts of the act that actually don't take effect until this year.
affordablehealthca.com/timeline-obamacare/
And we return now to the great debate of kneeling while a song is performed facing cloth on a stick. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 22:29:08 GMT -5
Stupid or short-sighted... either one is derogatory though. And both are irrelevant anyway, because I'm NOT stuck on the short-term (contrary to your assertion). There's nothing short-term or short-sighted about seeing and recognizing the incredibly devastating long-term effects. which is what I've seen since it's inception (once it was voted on, and passed, "so [we] can see what's in it"). Many other countries have succeeded by implementing universal healthcare without feeding billions of dollars into the coffers of private insurance companies... something that Obamacare definitely isn't even close to being "similar" to. Short-sighted is my opinion and I agree its not a positive one but certainly more generous and accepting than stupid. You can choose to come to the good side ( we have cookies) and realize law and life is evolution. While you've seen long-term effects that you feel are devasting, the truth is the majority of the act didn't even go into effect until January of 2014. My experience is different than yours, as is NJ compared to how your state is handling it.
You are stuck on your vision of what will happen based on your sample of what you know. I prefer to assume and believe course corrects that will fix it. Because frankly we are throwing enough money at wars we don't need to be in that might be able to fully pay for this in conjunction with evolving how healthcare is done in this country. And start realizing that some base healthcare for all is actually good for almost anyone's health in the US and will prevent massive losses to the economy just by cutting down the number of sick days of lowly paid employees.
Wrong again. What I'm "stuck on" is the law itself and how it was never designed with any ability to function over the long term. In the tech industry (which I used to dabble in as a hobby), it's called "designed obsolescence" or "intentional design flaws, to generate other revenue streams". Only designed and expected to work until it utterly fails... and that failure is a part of it's design. I do agree that Universal Healthcare is the way to go. Obamacare doesn't have any way to bridge into that though. The only way to do Universal Healthcare is to scrap Obamacare entirely. |
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Post by Opti on Oct 2, 2017 22:45:01 GMT -5
Short-sighted is my opinion and I agree its not a positive one but certainly more generous and accepting than stupid. You can choose to come to the good side ( we have cookies) and realize law and life is evolution. While you've seen long-term effects that you feel are devasting, the truth is the majority of the act didn't even go into effect until January of 2014. My experience is different than yours, as is NJ compared to how your state is handling it.
You are stuck on your vision of what will happen based on your sample of what you know. I prefer to assume and believe course corrects that will fix it. Because frankly we are throwing enough money at wars we don't need to be in that might be able to fully pay for this in conjunction with evolving how healthcare is done in this country. And start realizing that some base healthcare for all is actually good for almost anyone's health in the US and will prevent massive losses to the economy just by cutting down the number of sick days of lowly paid employees.
Wrong again. What I'm "stuck on" is the law itself and how it was never designed with any ability to function over the long term. In the tech industry (which I used to dabble in as a hobby), it's called "designed obsolescence" or "intentional design flaws, to generate other revenue streams". Only designed and expected to work until it utterly fails... and that failure is a part of it's design. I do agree that Universal Healthcare is the way to go. Obamacare doesn't have any way to bridge into that though. The only way to do Universal Healthcare is to scrap Obamacare entirely. We aren't ever going to agree on this. And I'm not wrong.  Before I was a underpaid, underemployed receptionist I worked in the tech industry. Microsoft definitely plays the way you describe. The UNIX space that I specialized in, did not.
Its rare a law stays untouched after passing forever these days especially something as complex as ACA. Medicare now is not what Medicare was originally passed. Its changed. Failure wasn't part of its design. Many compromises made into the bill to get it passed. ACA, ACA II or whatever is next will die when Universal Healthcare is passed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 22:55:34 GMT -5
Wrong again. What I'm "stuck on" is the law itself and how it was never designed with any ability to function over the long term. In the tech industry (which I used to dabble in as a hobby), it's called "designed obsolescence" or "intentional design flaws, to generate other revenue streams". Only designed and expected to work until it utterly fails... and that failure is a part of it's design. I do agree that Universal Healthcare is the way to go. Obamacare doesn't have any way to bridge into that though. The only way to do Universal Healthcare is to scrap Obamacare entirely. We aren't ever going to agree on this. And I'm not wrong. Before I was a underpaid, underemployed receptionist I worked in the tech industry. Microsoft definitely plays the way you describe. The UNIX space that I specialized in, did not.
Its rare a law stays untouched after passing forever these days especially something as complex as ACA. Medicare now is not what Medicare was originally passed. Its changed. Failure wasn't part of its design. Many compromises made into the bill to get it passed. ACA, ACA II or whatever is next will die when Universal Healthcare is passed.
You actually are wrong on what I bolded and said you were wrong on. You asserted (incorrectly) that I was " stuck on [my] vision of what will happen based on [my] sample of what {I} know." I pointed out already how that was in error. It has nothing to with my vision of it... nor my sample of it... nor even what I, alone, know. To be honest I'm actually helped quite a bit by it. And if the Republicans repeal it without replacing it with something better, I'll be back among the completely uninsured (it may be basically garbage, but at least my financial liability is limited to about $6,500 per year with the coverage I can get on the exchange). But just because I am helped by it doesn't mean that I can't see how it's utterly unsustainable, just like numerous others with degrees in things like accounting and economics can also see that it's unsustainable. ETA: for the record, I didn't mean to imply that ALL tech industries/companies use the "designed obsolescence" model... I was just pointing out that it does exist, as a real thing/idea/practice there, and that some corners of the industry indeed do use it (Microsoft is a perfect example, I agree). |
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 8, 2017 18:36:22 GMT -5
Expensive stunt and faked outrage today at the Indianapolis Colts and San Francisco 49's game. Mike Pence flew from Las Vegas, Nevada to Indianapolis, Indiana today on Air Force Two to attend the Colts and 49's game. Trump told him to leave the game if any of the players kneeled during the national anthem. The players did kneel. Pence and his wife immediately left the game and flew to California. When they arrived at the stadium, the reporters travelling with the pence were told to remain in the vans at the Indianapolis stadium parking lot because pence may leave the game early. That aircraft costs money to operate. Vice President Mike Pence's quick (and costly) exit from Colts-49ers gamePence leaves Colts game after protest during anthemWhy was pence even at the game in Indy. Why couldn't pence attend the Seattle Seahawks playing the L.A. Rams game (in L.A.) or the Baltimore Raven playing the Oakland Raiders (in Oakland) today? pence would already have been in California. |
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Post by Opti on Oct 8, 2017 19:12:23 GMT -5
The thread title needs to be changed. Trump and Pence are assaulting the NFL trying to cover up their own mess. Trump loves showboating. The best thing IMO is for the NFL to cut the armed forces as a sponsor and get the players back in the locker room for the anthem. Trump would be forced to blather on about something else.
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Post by grits on Oct 8, 2017 22:03:31 GMT -5
Just abolish professional football. People will have to spend time with their families. You can't properly warp your kids if you don't spend enough time with them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 11, 2017 22:50:25 GMT -5
Limbaugh: Trump's comments on NFL 'starting to make me nervous'Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh on Wednesday voiced concerns about President Trump's comments on NFL players taking a knee during the national anthem to protest racial injustice, saying Trump should not have the power to dictate who can kneel during the anthem. "There’s a part of this story that’s starting to make me nervous, and it’s this: I am very uncomfortable with the president of the United States being able to dictate the behavior and power of anybody. That’s not where this should be coming from," Limbaugh said on his show. Limbaugh said he believed Trump's motives were "pure," but he argued that the president's actions were unhelpful in the broader debate on players kneeling. "Trump is continually tweeting — I know what he’s doing, and I understand why he’s doing it, and his motives are pure; don’t misunderstand. But I don’t think that it is useful or helpful for any employee anywhere to be forced to do something because the government says they must," he continued. "We don’t want the president being able to demand anybody that he’s unhappy with behave in a way he requires," Limbaugh added. Limbaugh: Trump's comments on NFL 'starting to make me nervous'
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Post by tallguy on Oct 11, 2017 23:48:37 GMT -5
Wow! Even Limbaugh is half-right on this.  |
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Post by Shooby on Oct 15, 2017 7:37:51 GMT -5
Actually, Trump might have done me a favor. Football is really a very stupid and Neanderthal sport anyway. If I could wean myself from watching the Patriots I would get my Sunday afternoons back! Snap, hit, fall down. Stop. Snap, hit, fall down. kick. Commercial. repeat. Trump did u a favor? He's not the one who is protesting on the field. But you cant just turn it off on your own if you dont like it? Alrighty then. |
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Post by Opti on Oct 15, 2017 9:05:51 GMT -5
I agree with the article writer. The only logical thing for the NFL IMO is to give up DOD money or severely curtail it taking the anthem out of the equation. h |
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Post by Tennesseer on May 21, 2018 11:21:49 GMT -5
Opti: It is an expected courtesy that you tag a member when speaking about them in a thread where they're not an active participant. Especially when you drag a 7-month-old thread out of mothballs for no reason to imply they're paranoid. Please be considerate. - Virgil (Mod)
Is the notifications function not working anymore? When someone quotes me I am notified/tagged. |
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Post by Tennesseer on May 21, 2018 11:54:23 GMT -5
Is the notifications function not working anymore? When someone quotes me I am notified/tagged. It's a preference in member settings, disabled by default. Also worth noting: if a member is tagged in a post and somebody replies to that post, the tagged member is not notified again. In other words, a tag does nothing if it's in a quote block.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 21, 2018 13:18:36 GMT -5
Finding that post again made me almost as mad as when I originally found it. Talk about some people just craving excuses to get mad. As a general rule, statements about unspecified third parties are highly likely to be interpreted as referring to the quoted member. For example, you'd be unreasonable to assume the leading statement in this reply doesn't refer to you personally, despite my use of "Some people". (Please disregard the statement, by the way. It's intended solely as an example and isn't a serious criticism.)
Because these indirect personal attacks can be tricky to distinguish from cases where the author is sincerely referring to third parties, the longstanding board policy is to permit them. Even so, follow the golden rule. If you wouldn't want somebody to attack you through indirection, don't employ it when confronting others. This is my general advice to you, me, and everyone.
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