The Liberal Assault on the NFL

[dondub]

It's fair and balanced against the Obama and Hillary hate. Your team gets a twofer and our team has someone twice as bad as either of them.

*Don't worry, R-Tn. will be here later.

[Value Buy]

I boycotted the Bear/Packer game last night.
If this does not work, I will be giving up any national sponsor who supports these protestors.
This will specifically hurt in the beer department, but I guess I can stick strictly with Three Floyd's excellent beer selection 24/7

[dondub]

VB,

 If you are actually drinking any of the beer from NFL sponsors....

 

And how will you be able to tell sponsors are supporting the protests?

[Tennesseer]

Sept 29, 2017 16:50:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I boycotted the Bear/Packer game last night.
If this does not work, I will be giving up any national sponsor who supports these protestors.
This will specifically hurt in the beer department, but I guess I can stick strictly with Three Floyd's excellent beer selection 24/7

I support the players right to protest.

I also hate football. I only have watched it for years upon years for the socialization with friends. Sponsors no longer advertising during televised games may make it non-profitable to air the games.

Win-win for me.

[Value Buy]

Sept 29, 2017 19:30:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 29, 2017 16:50:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I boycotted the Bear/Packer game last night.
If this does not work, I will be giving up any national sponsor who supports these protestors.
This will specifically hurt in the beer department, but I guess I can stick strictly with Three Floyd's excellent beer selection 24/7

I support the players right to protest.

I also hate football. I only have watched it for years upon years for the socialization with friends. Sponsors no longer advertising during televised games may make it non-profitable to air the games.

Win-win for me.

I support the players to boycott the games. That would be a statement. 
They can do it after the game and stand outside the stadium holding signs for the exiting crowd and be interviewed by ESPN on the sidewalks for hours on end.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Everyone has voiced an opinion on what taking a knee means to them. Now about the real issue. How do you feel about the injustice in our country? I lived in the 60's and don't want to see it again. I see more hate lately then for years. I guess it was there but hidden. We need real leaders. Here is an example of a real leader at the Air force Academy.

[tallguy]

Very well said.  And there are way too many people in this country who need to get out.  Unfortunately, most of those are spending their time and effort trying to make other people get out.  

[Shooby]

Sept 29, 2017 8:55:38 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Good point Shooby. Since racism occurs everywhere, we should just go back to Jim Crow laws. Fuck all the brown people.

Oh ok, lol.  Deflect, deflect.  WHERE is it better?  We have had many black leaders, a President, supreme court justices, sec of state and so forth.  I don't really see the Lilly white European countries going out of their way to model diversity while they are preaching at us.
  Being chronically entitled doesn't do a damn thing for anyone except turn someone into a whiny victim.  The players kneeling down are MILLIONAIRES who have worked hard to hone their craft and be great at what they are doing.  To me, that is the real message.  Work hard, be disciplined, excel.  Not wah wah wah.

[tallguy]

Sept 30, 2017 6:37:25 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Sept 29, 2017 8:55:38 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Good point Shooby. Since racism occurs everywhere, we should just go back to Jim Crow laws. Fuck all the brown people.

Oh ok, lol.  Deflect, deflect.  WHERE is it better?  We have had many black leaders, a President, supreme court justices, sec of state and so forth.  I don't really see the Lilly white European countries going out of their way to model diversity while they are preaching at us.
  Being chronically entitled doesn't do a damn thing for anyone except turn someone into a whiny victim.  The players kneeling down are MILLIONAIRES who have worked hard to hone their craft and be great at what they are doing.  To me, that is the real message.  Work hard, be disciplined, excel.  Not wah wah wah.

True to an extent.  Many are not millionaires.  Some may become that, but many will not.  Regardless of the fact that anyone has that opportunity, how many available spots are there in the NFL?  53 players per team, 32 teams, equals 1,696.  Add those who are injured and still being paid their contract monies and you run it up to about 2,000.  No amount of individual effort and hard work will increase that number.  If one player makes it, another does not.  They cannot just open their own football business.  How many black Americans are there in this country who may be suffering from the racial inequality that these players are trying to bring to the surface?  A helluva lot more than 2,000.  The players are not protesting for themselves as much as they are for everyone who does not have an NFL job.   

[mmhmm]

Sept 30, 2017 10:57:48 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Sept 30, 2017 6:37:25 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Oh ok, lol.  Deflect, deflect.  WHERE is it better?  We have had many black leaders, a President, supreme court justices, sec of state and so forth.  I don't really see the Lilly white European countries going out of their way to model diversity while they are preaching at us.
  Being chronically entitled doesn't do a damn thing for anyone except turn someone into a whiny victim.  The players kneeling down are MILLIONAIRES who have worked hard to hone their craft and be great at what they are doing.  To me, that is the real message.  Work hard, be disciplined, excel.  Not wah wah wah.

True to an extent.  Many are not millionaires.  Some may become that, but many will not.  Regardless of the fact that anyone has that opportunity, how many available spots are there in the NFL?  53 players per team, 32 teams, equals 1,696.  Add those who are injured and still being paid their contract monies and you run it up to about 2,000.  No amount of individual effort and hard work will increase that number.  If one player makes it, another does not.  They cannot just open their own football business.  How many black Americans are there in this country who may be suffering from the racial inequality that these players are trying to bring to the surface?  A helluva lot more than 2,000.  The players are not protesting for themselves as much as they are for everyone who does not have an NFL job.   

Thanks, tallguy. Not everyone is solely interested in his/her own situation. Some people focus on the larger picture which often includes those less fortunate - sometimes very much less fortunate. I find it heartening that these players are concerned with the well-being of those who struggle. That's why they're taking a knee. It's not all about them - for them.

[Virgil Showlion]

My sample is mostly colleagues and family members 40+ years of age, but here in Canada I can say that 100% of the individuals I've talked with couldn't be more opposed to the players' protest. Kneeling during the anthem, no matter the intent, "simply is not done".

It must be generational to a degree, because not one of them has adopted my "it's disrespectful, but not defecate-on-the-flag disrespectful" passivity. A few watch NFL games and are resolute: if the players kneel, they'll shut of the TV and disown the team. And this is Canadians talking about disrespect to the US anthem.

In any case, I'm ready to call the outcome at this point: it's not going to end well for the players "taking a knee". I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they mean well, but they screwed the pooch when it came to choice of venue.

[tallguy]

I said back on Page 10 that it was an unfortunate and inappropriate target, but I disagree that it is disrespectful to the flag, the anthem, our military, or our country.  This nation is not damaged by people exercising their freedoms in a peaceful manner.  We are in fact strengthened by that.  What damages, and has the potential to destroy, this country is the idea that the exercise of individual liberties and freedoms is somehow "wrong", particularly when such idea comes from the president.  One of the primary responsibilities of that office is to ensure that such liberties are protected, not that they be denied.

[billisonboard]

Sept 30, 2017 12:14:27 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

... 100% of the individuals I've talked with ...

Based on what I see of your personal style posting here, I wonder how often people disagree with you to your face.

[billisonboard]

Anyone else watching The President's Cup golf tournament? A lot of interesting clothing.

[Deleted]

Sept 30, 2017 12:28:31 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I said back on Page 10 that it was an unfortunate and inappropriate target, but I disagree that it is disrespectful to the flag, the anthem, our military, or our country.  This nation is not damaged by people exercising their freedoms in a peaceful manner.  We are in fact strengthened by that.  What damages, and has the potential to destroy, this country is the idea that the exercise of individual liberties and freedoms is somehow "wrong", particularly when such idea comes from the president.  One of the primary responsibilities of that office is to ensure that such liberties are protected, not that they be denied.

Yeah, I'm going to steal this

[dondub]

Canadians should simply stick to their goofy Canadian football and leave ours alone.

[dondub]

In the meantime...

www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/29/after-nfl-protests-seahawks-start-fund-to-fight-injustice-and-inequality.html

 Looks like our (not supposed to be uppity Black millionaires) players are putting their money where their mouth is.

[Virgil Showlion]

Sept 30, 2017 12:29:36 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 30, 2017 12:14:27 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

... 100% of the individuals I've talked with ...

Based on what I see of your personal style posting here, I wonder how often people disagree with you to your face.

All the time. I even played Devil's advocate in this case, making the same touchy-feely argument Tall makes above about the players' hearts being in the right place. They'd have none of it.

I didn't mention Pres. Trump. Throw him into any controversy and people's opinions automatically align or counter-align with what he thinks.

[tallguy]

I would consider that an indictment of my colleagues and family members.  

[thyme4change]

Sept 30, 2017 6:37:25 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Sept 29, 2017 8:55:38 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Good point Shooby. Since racism occurs everywhere, we should just go back to Jim Crow laws. Fuck all the brown people.

Oh ok, lol.  Deflect, deflect.  WHERE is it better?  We have had many black leaders, a President, supreme court justices, sec of state and so forth.  I don't really see the Lilly white European countries going out of their way to model diversity while they are preaching at us.
  Being chronically entitled doesn't do a damn thing for anyone except turn someone into a whiny victim.  The players kneeling down are MILLIONAIRES who have worked hard to hone their craft and be great at what they are doing.  To me, that is the real message.  Work hard, be disciplined, excel.  Not wah wah wah.

They may be millionaires, but they are not protesting an injustice done to them. I would agree if they were taking a knee to protest the way the NFL was treating them. Their protest is to speak for the voiceless, the powerless and the non-millionaires. They are not whining about their situation, it is to remind us that innocent people are being slaughtered for no reason other than the color of their skin, and our long standing tradition of thinking less of "those people." At no time are the millionaires asking for a change for themselves, but a change for others.

[Deleted]

Unlike congress...

[weltschmerz]

Sept 30, 2017 12:14:27 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

My sample is mostly colleagues and family members 40+ years of age, but here in Canada I can say that 100% of the individuals I've talked with couldn't be more opposed to the players' protest. Kneeling during the anthem, no matter the intent, "simply is not done".

It must be generational to a degree, because not one of them has adopted my "it's disrespectful, but not defecate-on-the-flag disrespectful" passivity. A few watch NFL games and are resolute: if the players kneel, they'll shut of the TV and disown the team. And this is Canadians talking about disrespect to the US anthem.

In any case, I'm ready to call the outcome at this point: it's not going to end well for the players "taking a knee". I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they mean well, but they screwed the pooch when it came to choice of venue.

Everyone I've spoken to is for it. All 40+.
So much for your "here in Canada".

[Virgil Showlion]

Sept 30, 2017 13:28:30 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I would consider that an indictment of my colleagues and family members.  

Firstly, since Pres. Trump never featured in the discussions, their opinions solely concerned whether taking the knee during the anthem was an appropriate form of protest. This thread has mixed this together with the issue of punishment for the players, the appropriateness of the White House response, the legality of protest as free speech, etc., muddying the waters.

Secondly, their conclusion is based on a simple values judgment that I share: there's an appropriate time, place, and format for political protest, and this isn't one of them. Even if they consider the protest sincere, the message good, and the players within their rights.

[tallguy]

Sept 30, 2017 17:18:08 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Sept 30, 2017 13:28:30 GMT -5 tallguy said:

I would consider that an indictment of my colleagues and family members.  

Firstly, since Pres. Trump never featured in the discussions, their opinions solely concerned whether taking the knee during the anthem was an appropriate form of protest. This thread has mixed this together with the issue of punishment for the players, the appropriateness of the White House response, the legality of protest as free speech, etc., muddying the waters.

Secondly, their conclusion is based on a simple values judgment that I share: there's an appropriate time, place, and format for political protest, and this isn't one of them. Even if they consider the protest sincere, the message good, and the players within their rights.

You seem to live in a black-and-white world.  Mine contains myriad shades of grey, and even a spot of color here and there.

At any rate, taking a knee during the anthem is a mild form of protest, affecting nobody to any real degree.  One's response to it depends entirely on their own feelings.  Would I do it?  No.  Am I willing to debase others for choosing that as their vehicle?  No.  I don't think it is the right one, and I am free to believe that.  They are free to believe otherwise.    

[Deleted]

Its always nice when the people who have all their rights guaranteed and who aren't being treated differently under the law... lay out exactly when and where those experiencing injustice and inequity can protest... you know.... 'appropriately'....

[grits]

If trump had kept his mouth shut, this would not have grown into this massive division in the nation.  People are now doing it as an in your face to Trump.
The NFL is a business.  It is nothing more and nothing less. 
 

[Deleted]

Trump wants a divide. The only way he gets to be a fascist dictator is if he manufactures an inciting incident that allows him to claim martial law. His intent, and Bannon ilk's intent, since the beginning has been the destruction of our system.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 30, 2017 17:58:56 GMT -5 grits said:

If Trump had kept his mouth shut, this would not have grown into this massive division in the nation.  People are now doing it as an in your face to Trump.
The NFL is a business.  It is nothing more and nothing less. 
 

Trump had to do something to draw attention away from the Russian investigation. It's getting wat too close to him and he knows it.

[grits]

Sept 30, 2017 18:02:25 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 30, 2017 17:58:56 GMT -5 grits said:

If Trump had kept his mouth shut, this would not have grown into this massive division in the nation.  People are now doing it as an in your face to Trump.
The NFL is a business.  It is nothing more and nothing less. 
 

Trump had to do something to draw attention away from the Russian investigation. It's getting wat too close to him and he knows it.

I see a lot of silly statements on political posts. 

[Tennesseer]

Sept 30, 2017 18:06:38 GMT -5 grits said:

Sept 30, 2017 18:02:25 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Trump had to do something to draw attention away from the Russian investigation. It's getting wat too close to him and he knows it.

I see a lot of silly statements on political posts. 

Do you have any other reasons why he creates these diversions?