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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 1, 2011 16:38:12 GMT -5
...and sorry, mmhmm... your point fell...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 1, 2011 16:39:09 GMT -5
...and alas, a metaphor does not a definition make... ...and now back to bashing the IL AG... ;D
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 1, 2011 16:40:44 GMT -5
I do not know what happened to your thread Ed - but the initial post did not leave me feeling very secure.
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Post by swamp on Mar 1, 2011 16:40:53 GMT -5
...it's a good thing you defer, SF... 'cuz it doesn't mean "little death" in any language to MY knowledge... and I'm the one running for potus in the other thread...I read that somewhere, oh, maybe a few years ago. Let me check on it. The french term for orgasm is "une petite morte" meaning to die a little. ETA: Sorry,I saw this was addressed previously. Carry on.
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Post by swamp on Mar 1, 2011 16:42:13 GMT -5
What the hell happened to my thread? You've got something against orgams? that explains a lot.............
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 1, 2011 16:45:06 GMT -5
...and alas, a metaphor does not a definition make... ...and now back to bashing the IL AG... ;D I gave you the literal translation.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 1, 2011 16:49:36 GMT -5
...French: l'orgasme... from the Latin, orgasmus... ...and the IL AG is out of place to demand such a "list" of potential gun owners, since any citizen would make that list... that's my story and I'm sticking to it... ;D
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 1, 2011 16:49:42 GMT -5
I don't know what an "orgam" is, but it sounds pretty harmless, so no...I was just wondering how my thread on left-wing Illinois gun grabbers got turned into the Texas Vibrator Massacre...
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 1, 2011 16:50:42 GMT -5
<<< Texas Vibrator Massacre... >>> ...I need a "I ed" t-shirt, now...
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Post by swamp on Mar 1, 2011 16:54:53 GMT -5
I don't know what an "orgam" is, but it sounds pretty harmless, so no...I was just wondering how my thread on left-wing Illinois gun grabbers got turned into the Texas Vibrator Massacre... It's like an orgasm, but not nearly as good. And I find that the best threads stray off topic. Just relax and go with it...........
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Mar 1, 2011 16:55:52 GMT -5
<<< Just relax and go with it........... >>>
...pun intended?
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Post by swamp on Mar 1, 2011 16:57:47 GMT -5
<<< Just relax and go with it........... >>> ...pun intended? Of course.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 1, 2011 16:57:47 GMT -5
Another brick in the left-wing wall of fascism... SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — The Illinois attorney general says state police must release the name of everyone in the state who is authorized to own a gun. Illinois state police determine who gets a Firearm Owners Identification card, which allows people to own guns. The police have always kept the list private. But Attorney General Lisa Madigan's public access counselor released a letter Monday night saying the information should be public. www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-gunowners-disclos,0,5686959.story But Attorney General Lisa Madigan's public access counselor released a letter Monday night saying the information should be public. Ok Lisa , got that, but have to ask "why"? First thing came to me is there are people who would like to know that information because they like to steal those things...probably like to steal many things but specialize in fire arms so why let them know who has them. Next will be a list of all those who save coins, have collections of antique jewery, anything of value. Have no idea why Lisa feels the information is important to know publickly. Paper boy, parents don't want him/her to associate with people whio own fire arms? Ok theres one, possible. What's that you say , silly argument for the public presentation of the list? Of course it is but I am reaching here.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 1, 2011 16:58:45 GMT -5
...French: l'orgasme... from the Latin, orgasmus... ...and the IL AG is out of place to demand such a "list" of potential gun owners, since any citizen would make that list... that's my story and I'm sticking to it... ;D Well not really - not in Illinois
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Diversion, Ed. www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm"An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent... He must create a mechanism that can drain off the underlying guilt for having accepted the previous situation for so long a time. Out of this mechanism, a new community organization arises.... "The job then is getting the people to move, to act, to participate; in short, to develop and harness the necessary power to effectively conflict with the prevailing patterns and change them. When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an 'agitator' they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict." p.117
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 1, 2011 17:06:56 GMT -5
I don't know what an "orgam" is, but it sounds pretty harmless, so no...I was just wondering how my thread on left-wing Illinois gun grabbers got turned into the Texas Vibrator Massacre... How did this become about gun-grabbing, Ed? The AG wants a list of gun owners. Nowhere do I see anything about grabbing guns ... or, is that just another of your predictions of future fallings of the sky?
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Mar 1, 2011 17:10:05 GMT -5
Another brick in the left-wing wall of fascism... SPRINGFIELD, Ill. — The Illinois attorney general says state police must release the name of everyone in the state who is authorized to own a gun. Illinois state police determine who gets a Firearm Owners Identification card, which allows people to own guns. The police have always kept the list private. But Attorney General Lisa Madigan's public access counselor released a letter Monday night saying the information should be public. www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-gunowners-disclos,0,5686959.story But Attorney General Lisa Madigan's public access counselor released a letter Monday night saying the information should be public. Ok Lisa , got that, but have to ask "why"? First thing came to me is there are people who would like to know that information because they like to steal those things...probably like to steal many things but specialize in fire arms so why let them know who has them. Next will be a list of all those who save coins, have collections of antique jewery, anything of value. Have no idea why Lisa feels the information is important to know publickly. Paper boy, parents don't want him/her to associate with people whio own fire arms? Ok theres one, possible. What's that you say , silly argument for the public presentation of the list? Of course it is but I am reaching here. While I do have issues with privacy in this case, I do understand where her statement is coming from. The Police have always kept the list private, but it is not required to be private (and they really don't have the authority to keep it private). Two things need to happen and happen quickly; 1. The laws requiring a FOID card need to be changed to keep the list private. 2. Someone with a FOID card needs to sue the state to keep the list private. There is an expectation of privacy if the general rules of the department is to keep the information private. People should have the ability to opt out of having their name on the list (FOID card canceled) before the list is made public.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 1, 2011 17:14:25 GMT -5
Diversion, Ed. www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm"An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent... He must create a mechanism that can drain off the underlying guilt for having accepted the previous situation for so long a time. Out of this mechanism, a new community organization arises.... "The job then is getting the people to move, to act, to participate; in short, to develop and harness the necessary power to effectively conflict with the prevailing patterns and change them. When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an 'agitator' they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict." p.117 What is the diversion krickitt? Who diverted?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 1, 2011 17:14:32 GMT -5
But Attorney General Lisa Madigan's public access counselor released a letter Monday night saying the information should be public. Ok Lisa , got that, but have to ask "why"? First thing came to me is there are people who would like to know that information because they like to steal those things...probably like to steal many things but specialize in fire arms so why let them know who has them. Next will be a list of all those who save coins, have collections of antique jewery, anything of value. Have no idea why Lisa feels the information is important to know publickly. Paper boy, parents don't want him/her to associate with people whio own fire arms? Ok theres one, possible. What's that you say , silly argument for the public presentation of the list? Of course it is but I am reaching here. While I do have issues with privacy in this case, I do understand where her statement is coming from. The Police have always kept the list private, but it is not required to be private (and they really don't have the authority to keep it private). Two things need to happen and happen quickly; 1. The laws requiring a FOID card need to be changed to keep the list private. 2. Someone with a FOID card needs to sue the state to keep the list private. There is an expectation of privacy if the general rules of the department is to keep the information private. People should have the ability to opt out of having their name on the list (FOID card canceled) before the list is made public. Someone could do that but: they would be outing them self out as a gun owner in the process - and if they give up the card, they have to get rid of their firearms Meanwhile, you have to stay so many feet away from another person at at pharmacy counter to protect their privacy
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Mar 1, 2011 17:14:52 GMT -5
The privacy issue I have is where does it stop, do they now publish a list of the guns that each person owns. How many they purchased this year, last year etc.
Can employers use this information when hiring? We don't hire pro-gun people, or people who might walk into the office and shoot people.
Can we get a public list from the DMV? I would like all the information of every person in IL that has a drivers license along with their personal info.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 1, 2011 17:16:27 GMT -5
The privacy issue I have is where does it stop, do they now publish a list of the guns that each person owns. How many they purchased this year, last year etc. Can employers use this information when hiring? We don't hire pro-gun people, or people who might walk into the office and shoot people. Can we get a public list from the DMV? I would like all the information of every person in IL that has a drivers license along with their personal info. I don't always agree with you - but I absolutely do here
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Post by 973beachbum on Mar 1, 2011 17:18:15 GMT -5
Ding, Ding, Ding we have a winner. These types of information are a part of public record. The state officials simply don't have the right to decide what public records they will "allow" the public to see. Swamp I am also pro orgasm.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 1, 2011 17:20:43 GMT -5
No, the AG wants a list of gun owners to be made public. I would expect as the AG, she already has personal access to the list. She is asking for everyone to have access to the list, a clear violation of privacy. If this goes through, it will open the door to making public lists of everything that requires a license or has a legal document requirement - home/property ownership, car ownership, business ownership, pet ownership, marriage/divorce, adoption, et al. Who wants this?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 1, 2011 17:20:55 GMT -5
Ding, Ding, Ding we have a winner. These types of information are a part of public record. The state officials simply don't have the right to decide what public records they will "allow" the public to see. Swamp I am also pro orgasm. Well just thinking this thru and turning it over a bit in my head - the other side of the coin will be that all normal households (think non-gang etc.) will be ID'd as gunless and maybe more vulnerable
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Post by marjar on Mar 1, 2011 17:22:25 GMT -5
No, the AG wants a list of gun owners to be made public. I would expect as the AG, she already has personal access to the list. She is asking for everyone to have access to the list, a clear violation of privacy. If this goes through, it will open the door to making public lists of everything that requires a license or has a legal document requirement - home/property ownership, car ownership, business ownership, pet ownership, marriage/divorce, adoption, et al. Who wants this? Much of that already is public record. Not saying I agree with this.I have yet to hear her reasoning for making this public.
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Post by 973beachbum on Mar 1, 2011 17:23:11 GMT -5
The privacy issue I have is where does it stop, do they now publish a list of the guns that each person owns. How many they purchased this year, last year etc. Can employers use this information when hiring? We don't hire pro-gun people, or people who might walk into the office and shoot people. Can we get a public list from the DMV? I would like all the information of every person in IL that has a drivers license along with their personal info. You already can. It is not a "list" persay but you can request info under the freedom of information act. And they have the right to charge you for each one. This is why backround check companies make so much money. The info is already out there you just have to know where to look and be willing to pay.
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Post by ChiTownVenture on Mar 1, 2011 17:24:57 GMT -5
Ding, Ding, Ding we have a winner. These types of information are a part of public record. The state officials simply don't have the right to decide what public records they will "allow" the public to see. Swamp I am also pro orgasm. Well just thinking this thru and turning it over a bit in my head - the other side of the coin will be that all normal households (think non-gang etc.) will be ID'd as gunless and maybe more vulnerable That's assuming you own a gun. You can have a FOID card without owning a gun. Your assumption will be a lot of peoples assumption. If I have a right to own a gun, and I have a right to privacy, why would I be required to make my information public to owning a gun?
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 1, 2011 17:29:35 GMT -5
Well just thinking this thru and turning it over a bit in my head - the other side of the coin will be that all normal households (think non-gang etc.) will be ID'd as gunless and maybe more vulnerable That's assuming you own a gun. You can have a FOID card without owning a gun. Your assumption will be a lot of peoples assumption. If I have a right to own a gun, and I have a right to privacy, why would I be required to make my information public to owning a gun? Well fellow Illini - it is quite disturbing
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 1, 2011 17:30:08 GMT -5
I guess with a public list, no one would need a sign like this, since the criminals will already know who has the guns, and more importantly for them, who doesn't:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 17:30:26 GMT -5
But...but...but... in AZ you cannot even ask a person to prove they are here in our country legally............ Feds said so.
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