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Post by Jaguar on Aug 29, 2014 20:58:39 GMT -5
Awesome.
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Post by TheHaitian on Aug 29, 2014 22:28:02 GMT -5
Congrats on the new job!!!!
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Post by achelois on Aug 30, 2014 5:44:59 GMT -5
Good news, Phoenix.
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Post by Nazgul Girl on Aug 30, 2014 12:49:08 GMT -5
I'm very happy for you, PHoenix. Best wishes and good luck.
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Post by whoami on Aug 30, 2014 13:08:43 GMT -5
[/p] The job is "up to 50%" travel, which is a lot. On the plus side, the opportunity to do some international travel is interesting. I'm just worried how it will affect my attempts to improve my social/dating life. Being on the road all the time isn't conducive to meeting people, developing relationships, starting and maintaining a family ect. I don't mind doing it for a while, maybe several years, but I don't see myself doing it indefinitely.
My husband has been an airline pilot for 25+ years. We met at the airport and did the long distance thing for 2 1/2 years.
His travel has never been an issue for me. Some of my friends couldn't handle a husband who is gone a lot but it really doesn't bother me at all. In fact, it would drive me nuts if he had a 9-5 schedule.
My son also travels for a living and gets to go all over the world. He is not married and has minimal responsibilities and is in a perfect place in life to enjoy the opportunities he has to travel. He just got back from a week in Germany and loved it.
DH and I just spent $6500 on plane tickets to go to Italy next year. I only wish someone else would pay for them.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 30, 2014 13:18:34 GMT -5
When the time comes, maybe we can give you some suggestions to make the travel easier. This sounds silly, it's so simple, but I always keep my travel kit 100% ready: toothpaste, toothbrush, soap, shampoo, deodorant, moisturizer, etc. It's always stocked, so whenever I travel, I just throw it in my suitcase. I also keep a UK adaptor in it since we often travel to the UK. Simple ideas like that, or buying a few extra shirts and pants and an extra set of pjs (so you don't have to worry about doing laundry right before a trip) can make a big difference. You should have different-sized suitcases for varying trip lengths, ie a set of 2 or 3 (with a carry-on). And when you do move, you should find a place that's easy to open and close up, with convenient access to the airport. Hmmm, those are all good ideas. If I'm going to be traveling a lot, I should probably try to think of ways to streamline the process.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 30, 2014 13:25:32 GMT -5
You don't get travel benefits since he's an employee? (My sis worked part time as a reservation agent for Continental Airlines and got great travel benefits for herself, her spouse, and also got buddy passes for friends)
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 30, 2014 13:26:28 GMT -5
What's the timeline Phoenix? When do you take the physical and get a definite offer? When are you supposed to start? When do you tell your current boss? How much notice do you have to give her? Nothing is scheduled right now. I got the job offer on Friday afternoon and all they're looking for is a "yes" or "no."
When I say yes, they'll let me know the date/time/details of the physical, and then after that they'll let me know the start date.
I don't know when to tell my current boss. My 60 day detail is coming to an end soon, and I'm sure they'll do "something." As I said previously, I think they'll put me on a PIP and probably issue a letter of discipline. Neither one of those are a big deal if I'm leaving anyway, but it would be preferable if they weren't issued in the first place. Just so that if any future employers call my current one, they can't say "we put that guy on a PIP and issued a LOD." So in some ways it behooves me to tell them ASAP, since I don't think they'll go through with any planned disciplinary action if they know I'm leaving anyway.
On the other hand, the job offer could still fall through, and I don't know the specific start date yet. So I probably shouldn't say anything until everything is set in stone.
I don't think there's any specific notice length I HAVE to give. But obviously it's more professional to give more notice than not. While I am not thrilled at extending my current boss professional courtesies, and given our history and my current exile, I doubt it would make much of a difference if I quit outright. But at the end of the day, I'm a professional and I will give them as much notice as possible, as a professional courtesy. I always prefer to take the high road.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 30, 2014 13:38:10 GMT -5
[/p] The job is "up to 50%" travel, which is a lot. On the plus side, the opportunity to do some international travel is interesting. I'm just worried how it will affect my attempts to improve my social/dating life. Being on the road all the time isn't conducive to meeting people, developing relationships, starting and maintaining a family ect. I don't mind doing it for a while, maybe several years, but I don't see myself doing it indefinitely.
My husband has been an airline pilot for 25+ years. We met at the airport and did the long distance thing for 2 1/2 years.
His travel has never been an issue for me. Some of my friends couldn't handle a husband who is gone a lot but it really doesn't bother me at all. In fact, it would drive me nuts if he had a 9-5 schedule.
My son also travels for a living and gets to go all over the world. He is not married and has minimal responsibilities and is in a perfect place in life to enjoy the opportunities he has to travel. He just got back from a week in Germany and loved it.
DH and I just spent $6500 on plane tickets to go to Italy next year. I only wish someone else would pay for them.
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Well, the feds do let you combine personal and professional travel. Obviously I would have to pay for my own hotels, transportation, food, ect on personal time but the plane tickets would already be taken care of, which are pretty expensive from what I hear.
They did mention Italy by name as a common travel destination.
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Post by Bonny on Aug 30, 2014 16:37:45 GMT -5
Poor thing! How long is the hiring process intra Fed? Given your circumstances I'd think about going to your boss and saying something like "I'm sorry that we weren't able to work together as a team and I know that you would prefer that I move on and that you not need to follow through with this disciplinary process. I've been applying for other jobs and it looks like I now have a job offer. I need to get through (xyz) but I should be leaving in about 45 days. I'd appreciate your cooperation with making this as smooth a transition as possible in order for us both to be in a happier situation".
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Post by dannylion on Aug 30, 2014 17:45:40 GMT -5
Phoenix would be better off not mentioning the job offer, and especially not the source of the job offer, to his current supervisor, who appears to be determined to ruin him. She can still cause trouble for him until he is out of her grasp. He needs to get and accept the formal job offer and have a definite start date and all that entails before telling his supervisor he is leaving. Even when he gives notice, he is under no obligation to tell her where he is going.
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Post by Bonny on Aug 30, 2014 17:59:42 GMT -5
Phoenix would be better off not mentioning the job offer, and especially not the source of the job offer, to his current supervisor, who appears to be determined to ruin him. She can still cause trouble for him until he is out of her grasp. He needs to get and accept the formal job offer and have a definite start date and all that entails before telling his supervisor he is leaving. Even when he gives notice, he is under no obligation to tell her where he is going. I agree that he shouldn't say who exactly but if it's a Federal process then I think it's o.k. to say I need to get through the physical etc.
I don't think she wants to ruin him. I just think she wants him out of her hair. Knowing that he's trying to move on will be helpful.
I kind of look at it like doing an eviction. If I know my deadbeat or PITA tenant is going to be gone in 30 days and I have a big enough deposit I'm likely not going to spend the effort and money to take the next legal step. If I kill the tenant's chance to move on that likely means s/he is going to stay longer!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 18:00:15 GMT -5
call them first thing monday and tell them yes, get the details and give 2 weeks notice....and I agree with not providing any details to your current boss. It would not surprise me if she tried to sabotage your new job
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Post by dannylion on Aug 30, 2014 18:04:34 GMT -5
If it were me, I would not say anything until it was a done deal. He doesn't need to tell anyone why he's taking leave when he's dealing with the physical and other processing issues. I was a fed for nearly 40 years. I saw more than one vindictive manager prevent an unpopular employee from moving to another agency, just because they could.
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Post by gacpa on Aug 30, 2014 18:37:23 GMT -5
I agree with dannylion. My husband has been in federal service over 25 years. Wait until you are out of her grasp before saying bye-bye.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 31, 2014 8:57:19 GMT -5
When the time comes, maybe we can give you some suggestions to make the travel easier. This sounds silly, it's so simple, but I always keep my travel kit 100% ready: toothpaste, toothbrush, soap, shampoo, deodorant, moisturizer, etc. It's always stocked, so whenever I travel, I just throw it in my suitcase. I also keep a UK adaptor in it since we often travel to the UK. Simple ideas like that, or buying a few extra shirts and pants and an extra set of pjs (so you don't have to worry about doing laundry right before a trip) can make a big difference. You should have different-sized suitcases for varying trip lengths, ie a set of 2 or 3 (with a carry-on). And when you do move, you should find a place that's easy to open and close up, with convenient access to the airport. Hmmm, those are all good ideas. If I'm going to be traveling a lot, I should probably try to think of ways to streamline the process. If you're going to be traveling alot, can you do like Carl and rent a studio?
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Post by imanangel on Sept 1, 2014 3:13:59 GMT -5
If it were me, I would not say anything until it was a done deal. He doesn't need to tell anyone why he's taking leave when he's dealing with the physical and other processing issues. I was a fed for nearly 40 years. I saw more than one vindictive manager prevent an unpopular employee from moving to another agency, just because they could. I agree with this 100%. I have seen it happen!
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Post by TheHaitian on Sept 1, 2014 3:33:03 GMT -5
Until you have offer in hand and start date, you tell no one your business!
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Post by TheHaitian on Sept 1, 2014 3:40:48 GMT -5
And do you even have to tell them why you are leaving and where you are going? The way this lady has been I would not even risk that... I would just word it like this:
"I greatly appreciate all the opportunists this job has offered and grateful for the chance to work here (bullshit but you know it). Yet I am sorry to inform you that I am here to give you my two weeks notice, my final day is X.
But I will be more than happy I assist you in finding a replacement or documenting everything I do to facilitate the transition during that time.
Again thank you, I wish I did not have to leave but believe it is for the best."
Mum is the word for where you are going, just looking for a better opportunity.
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Post by milee on Sept 1, 2014 6:05:49 GMT -5
Great news on the new job.
Instead of figuring out how/when to tell the supervisor about the new job (bad idea), why not try to work the situation a bit to your advantage? She has no idea you have this offer, and there's no need to mention it. Since your boss wants you gone so badly and knows she probably can't fire you outright and is looking at having to spend a lot of time and energy jumping through all the hoops to eventually get you fired, try to broker a deal. Go in and offer to resign your position effective immediately in exchange for her agreeing to not issue any LOD/PIP and to refrain from mentioning any issues in future calls from potential employers.
Once she knows you have another job offer, you'll lose the ability to negotiate anything. Right now, it appears you're giving her the "concession" of quitting without necessarily having anywhere else to go so it's reasonable to ask for some accommodation which hopefully she'll be wiling to give to both get you out of her hair and spare her the work of going through the firing process.
In any case, good luck on the job - sounds like a great job and perfect opportunity for you.
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Post by bobosensei on Sept 1, 2014 6:23:20 GMT -5
This sounds silly, it's so simple, but I always keep my travel kit 100% ready: toothpaste, toothbrush, soap, shampoo, deodorant, moisturizer, etc. It's always stocked, so whenever I travel, I just throw it in my suitcase. I also keep a UK adaptor in it since we often travel to the UK. Simple ideas like that, or buying a few extra shirts and pants and an extra set of pjs (so you don't have to worry about doing laundry right before a trip) can make a big difference. You should have different-sized suitcases for varying trip lengths, ie a set of 2 or 3 (with a carry-on). Agreed! The best thing I ever did when travelling a lot for work was to make a second toiletry bag. It had duplicates of all the makeup and hygiene items I use. Now as a guy this might not matter as much to you, maybe it will be as simple as getting a second toothbrush and razor and more floss and travel toothpaste and shaving cream, however, it helps. Especially on early morning flights, since you don't have to get up and use everything first before you finish packing. In my experience you can sometimes forget one item, and depending on how tight the schedule is you don't always have time to get a replacement. By getting seconds of things you can pack entirely the night before. I always feel better when I am away when I have my things. I don't want to use a cheap, disposable razor or harsh shampoo. When I have my things I feel like my work performance is better. I've also gotten good at packing for many days in just a carry-on suitcases. The trick is matching everything to one set of shoes, so for me this means wearing a pair of nice ballet flats that I can wear with business clothes or jeans. Another good thing for overseas flights are the Bose noise cancelling headphones.
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Post by dannylion on Sept 1, 2014 7:05:39 GMT -5
Great news on the new job.
Instead of figuring out how/when to tell the supervisor about the new job (bad idea), why not try to work the situation a bit to your advantage? She has no idea you have this offer, and there's no need to mention it. Since your boss wants you gone so badly and knows she probably can't fire you outright and is looking at having to spend a lot of time and energy jumping through all the hoops to eventually get you fired, try to broker a deal. Go in and offer to resign your position effective immediately in exchange for her agreeing to not issue any LOD/PIP and to refrain from mentioning any issues in future calls from potential employers.
Once she knows you have another job offer, you'll lose the ability to negotiate anything. Right now, it appears you're giving her the "concession" of quitting without necessarily having anywhere else to go so it's reasonable to ask for some accommodation which hopefully she'll be wiling to give to both get you out of her hair and spare her the work of going through the firing process.
In any case, good luck on the job - sounds like a great job and perfect opportunity for you. Things don't really work like that with the feds. The immediate supervisor in this case has little authority to negotiate any kind of accommodation. That would be up to HR, and they are constrained by OPM rules. Phoenix also has to be careful about his service dates so he doesn't have a break in service. It likely wouldn't matter, but you never know. A break in service between the resignation date and the start date at the new agency, even a small one, could alter his retirement calculations or even affect the benefits he gets. In any event, any inquiry from a potential employer would not go to the immediate supervisor, it would go to HR, and it is almost certain that they would simply provide a form showing his dates of service, grade level, and salary. He will be better off not saying anything to his immediate supervisor until he has a firm offer from the other agency with a start date. Once he has that, it will be too late for her to take any action within the organization that could cost him the other job.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 1, 2014 9:09:43 GMT -5
As hard as it seems to do, keep your mouth SHUT and just give notice. Nothing more than that. Period. Don't tell anyone that you even think is your friend there. They will find out eventually where you went but by then you will be doing a fantastic job for your new employer and if they call you in and ask about what went on, you will look golden and she will look like a vindictive bitch.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 1, 2014 9:27:54 GMT -5
Don't even tell them new opportunity. Don't let me know anything.
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Post by Peace77 on Sept 1, 2014 10:42:31 GMT -5
Under the circumstances, I think it isn't necessary to give a full 2 weeks notice.
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Post by Apple on Sept 1, 2014 12:21:47 GMT -5
I disagree give two weeks notice, the let them release early with pay. Do the Feds do this? I've never seen it done. But I do know of one person who turned in their two weeks and then jut took their leave the last two weeks. But in that case, they never did anything, so there was nothing to turn over.
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Post by Apple on Sept 1, 2014 12:28:46 GMT -5
I can see why Phoenix is a little stuck. With the government, even after you have a start date, it sometimes gets moved on you.
When I was hired, we were to start in June. Then they didn't get the funding for my job, so they told me July (with a date). But then that didn't work out either. So, they had me come in on my own time in the middle of September for an orientation, they were "pretty sure" they could actually start my time at the end of the month. I was lucky my current boss was understanding. He was closing one of his businesses, and I would have had to been laid off so he and his wife could work my job, so he was happy to see me move on to something better. But, if I would have quit with that first date I was given, things would have been bad for me.
I have seen people get hired, given a job offer and start date, but then the job falls through anyway and they aren't able to start.
Then, you get the hiring freezes. So, you may have got a date, but someone puts a freeze on things. This is really common around election time.
It's pretty much not set in stone until you actually begin working at the new location. However, most places will keep you on until your new job starts, knowing that 2 weeks might turn into 10. They don't hire for a position (most times) until the old one is empty, so they don't end up paying two employees.
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Post by emma1420 on Sept 1, 2014 12:30:33 GMT -5
Congrats on the new job. I agree with everyone else, do not tell your current supervisor anything about the new job. Just give your two weeks notice once everything has been finalized.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 13:21:24 GMT -5
CA is an at-will state and I had to sign a lot of paperwork reminding me that they can fire you, at any time, for no reason, and you have zero recourse.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Sept 1, 2014 14:14:48 GMT -5
No. Don't tell the old boss anything. Say yes, and do your best to speed the hiring process along. Most bosses would be happy enough knowing you (in the general sense) is leaving...but there are some that will go out of there way to be vindictive and will attempt to thwart new opportunities. I am very risk adverse when it comes to employment, but I would not trust old boss for anything. She has demonstrated that she doesn't play by the rules and is ok with a amping things up. Yeah. I will probably be vague on the details of the new job. I don't think she'd try and sabotage my attempts at leaving, but I'd also not put it past her.
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