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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 29, 2014 14:29:45 GMT -5
Easier said than done. It's the only row in economy with any room whatsoever. Those seats are always the first ones sold out when I price airline tickets. If you have to travel on short notice there's no way you're getting one.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Aug 29, 2014 14:29:50 GMT -5
You expect me to sit up completely straight for a 16 hr flight to Thailand? You expect the person behind you to sit with your seat pressed against their knees for 16 hours? yep. They are free to recline, too. Or buy the 5 inches of leg room. Leg room is a commodity. Reclining is not (yet).
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Aug 29, 2014 14:31:47 GMT -5
I flew on US Airways about a month ago and my knees were pressed against the back of the seat when the person in front of me reclined - and I'm 5'2". My legs are not disproportionately long. Poor DH had the same experience, except his legs are about 8" longer than mine and he has a bad knee that he usually tries to avoid bending 90 degrees or more. He was in pain for the next couple of days. But the people in front of us got to recline for 70 minutes during a midafternoon flight, so good for them! (Yes, DH is of a size where he probably should buy a seat with more leg room - but if a 5'2" woman has her knees uncomfortably pressed against a reclined seat, who exactly is supposed to fit into them?) See, I don't recline on short flights. Only long hauls.
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Post by movingforward on Aug 29, 2014 14:31:58 GMT -5
I flew on US Airways about a month ago and my knees were pressed against the back of the seat when the person in front of me reclined - and I'm 5'2". My legs are not disproportionately long. Poor DH had the same experience, except his legs are about 8" longer than mine and he has a bad knee that he usually tries to avoid bending 90 degrees or more. He was in pain for the next couple of days. But the people in front of us got to recline for 70 minutes during a midafternoon flight, so good for them! (Yes, DH is of a size where he probably should buy a seat with more leg room - but if a 5'2" woman has her knees uncomfortably pressed against a reclined seat, who exactly is supposed to fit into them?) But I consider that to be a problem with the airline. I am 5'5" and I have never been on a flight were my knees touched the seat in front of me. I do get where you are coming from in that on a 70 minute flight the people didn't really need to recline but why are we fighting with one another. We should ALL be boycotting the airlines. Yeah, I know, like that is going to happen
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Aug 29, 2014 14:32:38 GMT -5
Before doing that, you might price Premium Economy. I am looking at seats next summer to fly from Moscow to Seattle. Coach is running about $1400. Premium Economy on British Airways (which gets good reviews) is $2800. Pitch is 38" (more than some domestic first class). Separate cabin, business class (or almost) meals, liquor all included). My plan is to apply for a BA Visa, put the tickets on it and collect the bonus of 50,000 Avios (must spend $3000 within the first 3 months). Then see if I can use the Avios to upgrade. If not, it will still be a bearable flight. I'm becoming a big fan of Premium Economy. Especially if I can't afford the $$$$ for international business class. I really like premium economy as well on long haul. I think it's a nice compromise between coach and business, if you can't get upgraded in other ways. I flew premium economy to New Zealand and it cost me an extra $800 (both ways), but it made a huge difference, and was worth the extra money. Business on that route was four times the price and not worth it. I got upgraded once on a return flight from New Zealand in first class and I think it was the best experience of my life!!!! LOL
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Aug 29, 2014 14:34:06 GMT -5
I expect someone that is too tall to reasonable fit into a seat to plan ahead & not sit in a seat where they cannot fit. Well, most people can fit until the idiot in front of them reclines their seat. It's the equivalent of going over the arm rest and into the seat of the next person. Besides, why plan ahead when I can just annoy the person in front of me by banging against their seat? Yay, I'm an idiot!!
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Post by movingforward on Aug 29, 2014 14:37:40 GMT -5
I would never expect someone NOT to recline. I just always assume they will.
All us idiots actually using a function the seat has available. I mean really, the nerve.
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Post by Ryan on Aug 29, 2014 14:41:27 GMT -5
Well, most people can fit until the idiot in front of them reclines their seat. It's the equivalent of going over the arm rest and into the seat of the next person. Besides, why plan ahead when I can just annoy the person in front of me by banging against their seat? The seats are designed to recline. How is someone using the seat in its designed purpose an idiot? That is like calling the person who wants to use their tray an idiot - it is part of the seat function & intended to be used. Not at all the same as going over the arm rest into the next seat. And I could care less if you bang against my seat. My issue is the angle & I end up in pain sitting at the upright angle for too long of a time period. You banging into my seat would be an annoyance, but not painful. I'll take it if it makes you feel better. If you ask nicely I would split the difference and recline only halfway, so we can both be slightly uncomfortable. But banging into my seat isn't going to make me move. ETA - And seriously if you are that tall, then make sure to get an exit row & problem solved. Now you don't have to worry what the person in front of you does. Why is this "the seats are designed to recline" meme just being repeated over and over? Who cares what they are designed to do? Horns are meant to be honked, liquor is meant to be drank, and phones are meant to ring. Does that mean that you just honk at every old lady, drink until you're passed out, and turn your ringer up to the loudest level possible while in a museum. Likewise, if you're in-front of a little kid with plenty of leg room then go ahead and recline. If you're in front of a grown a*s adult with long legs, use your common sense.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 29, 2014 14:42:24 GMT -5
It's not a function of your height, but your body proportion as to whether or not your knees touch the seat in front of you, also the airlines/or particular plane you are on. I've been on flights where it's not so much of an issue as it is on other flights.
TD is 2" taller than I am, but that 2" means that he is 4" taller in the body and 2" shorter in the legs. My inseam is 33-34", his is 31-32". So while he has a good 2-3" between his knees and the seat in front of him, I have about 1". In a car, I have to move the driver back and lower the rear view mirror.
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Post by movingforward on Aug 29, 2014 14:47:44 GMT -5
The seats are designed to recline. How is someone using the seat in its designed purpose an idiot? That is like calling the person who wants to use their tray an idiot - it is part of the seat function & intended to be used. Not at all the same as going over the arm rest into the next seat. And I could care less if you bang against my seat. My issue is the angle & I end up in pain sitting at the upright angle for too long of a time period. You banging into my seat would be an annoyance, but not painful. I'll take it if it makes you feel better. If you ask nicely I would split the difference and recline only halfway, so we can both be slightly uncomfortable. But banging into my seat isn't going to make me move. ETA - And seriously if you are that tall, then make sure to get an exit row & problem solved. Now you don't have to worry what the person in front of you does. Why is this "the seats are designed to recline" meme just being repeated over and over? Who cares what they are designed to do? Horns are meant to be honked, liquor is meant to be drank, and phones are meant to ring. Does that mean that you just honk at every old lady, drink until you're passed out, and turn your ringer up to the loudest level possible while in a museum. Likewise, if you're in-front of a little kid with plenty of leg room then go ahead and recline. If you're in front of a grown a*s adult with long legs, use your common sense. As stated before, on a short flight I will but on a long haul my ass is reclining. If you want to throw a two year old tantrum and kick the back of my seat then feel free.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 29, 2014 14:50:55 GMT -5
Why is this "the seats are designed to recline" meme just being repeated over and over? Who cares what they are designed to do? Horns are meant to be honked, liquor is meant to be drank, and phones are meant to ring. Does that mean that you just honk at every old lady, drink until you're passed out, and turn your ringer up to the loudest level possible while in a museum. Likewise, if you're in-front of a little kid with plenty of leg room then go ahead and recline. If you're in front of a grown a*s adult with long legs, use your common sense. As stated before, on a short flight I will but on a long haul my ass is reclining. If you want to throw a two year old tantrum and kick the back of my seat then feel free. Sorry if you are uncomfortable if I recline. I am uncomfortable if I don't & it is my seat, so I'm going to recline.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 29, 2014 14:52:11 GMT -5
DH wears a 36" inseam, but still doesn't want to pay for an exit row. I still don't blame people in front of him to want to recline. Have you considered that it could be as uncomfortable for that person to sit upright for an extended period of time as having your legs in the only position that fits? I'm with the others-- I blame the airlines, and I avoid air travel as much as possible these days.
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Post by ZaireinHD on Aug 29, 2014 15:00:19 GMT -5
honeybbq!! you may be currently infected right now. but I am sooo gonna bite you as soon as I get the chance
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 29, 2014 15:02:01 GMT -5
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 29, 2014 15:06:18 GMT -5
As stated before, on a short flight I will but on a long haul my ass is reclining. If you want to throw a two year old tantrum and kick the back of my seat then feel free. Sorry if you are uncomfortable if I recline. I am uncomfortable if I don't & it is my seat, so I'm going to recline. I don"t recline on shorter flights (4hrs or less) and I don't recline during meal service. But for longer flights, yes, I need to shift positions or my back gets stiff and numb. I don't consider it "rude". For really longer flights (international) I will do my darndest to get seats with more pitch. I am willing to pay more (just not 4 or 5 times more)
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 29, 2014 15:32:05 GMT -5
::Why is this "the seats are designed to recline" meme just being repeated over and over? Who cares what they are designed to do?
Horns are meant to be honked, liquor is meant to be drank, and phones are meant to ring. Does that mean that you just honk at every old lady, drink until you're passed out, and turn your ringer up to the loudest level possible while in a museum.
Likewise, if you're in-front of a little kid with plenty of leg room then go ahead and recline. If you're in front of a grown a*s adult with long legs, use your common sense. ::
I agree with you it's not just about the design, it's about the intent. Horns are meant as a warning device. Liquor doesn't really apply, drinking it is not some "feature" of liquor. Turning your ringer up is fine in a museum if they don't have rules about it...though most do.
These airplane seats were designed to recline. They weren't designed to recline in only limited situations. The intent is that while on a flight, you could recline. There are specific rules around when you can recline and when you can't (as in "please return your seat to the full upright position for landing").
If you're in front of a grown adult with long legs, it's not your fault that grown adult with long legs purchased something for which they are not suited. I'm a grown adult, who is 6'6", and who has very long legs. That space belongs to you if you're in front of me. I say go ahead and recline your seat right into me. It's not every day I get to mouth-breathe into someone's ear.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 29, 2014 16:02:11 GMT -5
You and your wife don't cuddle when you sleep? That's too bad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 16:07:15 GMT -5
You can switch seats on an airplane I thought that was a no no.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 29, 2014 16:22:41 GMT -5
Buy a window or aisle seat. The poor schmuck in the middle seat will ask to switch at least 90% of the time. Or, travel with an infant. Everyone sitting next to or even within one row of you will ask people to switch.
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Post by Sharon on Aug 29, 2014 16:26:43 GMT -5
So if the person in front of your neighbor doesn't recline and they are able to open their laptop fully and then decide to watch porn what do you do? This was some pretty nasty stuff.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 29, 2014 16:27:28 GMT -5
They can ask. You don't have to comply. I buy early and choose aisles. I had a lady in the middle who was married or with a guy in the middle a row back. He actually thought I'd give him my aisle seat and was pissed when I wouldn't. After all, I was just a young dumb female he thought he could intimidate. I'd have traded aisle for aisle, of course, to accommodate but give up my aisle for a middle? Not happening. He thought verbally grumbling out loud would work and then he actually asked the flight attendant to get me to move. Poor flight attendant.
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 29, 2014 16:37:33 GMT -5
::So if the person in front of your neighbor doesn't recline and they are able to open their laptop fully and then decide to watch porn what do you do?::
Ask for a blanket and some tissues?
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Post by Sharon on Aug 29, 2014 16:37:40 GMT -5
I did get smooshed by a recliner once. I bent over to dig my glasses out of my purse just as that person reclined. I was stuck but hollered enough and my neighbor helped and also hollered and he immediately put the seat up and did apologize.
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Post by Angel! on Aug 29, 2014 16:40:33 GMT -5
You can switch seats on an airplane I thought that was a no no. No that's sort of the new thing these days (I've seen it more and more in the past few years). You don't get assigned seats sometimes when you purchase your ticket, so you have to log on to do so. If you don't do that you get assigned a random one at check in. Well if you're a single traveler, no big deal. If you are traveling with someone then it can be a problem I guess. So instead of choosing seats in advance, they ask someone else to move. Really it's a pain in the ass. If you want to sit together than pick your seats together... Southwest has it where you log in 24 hours before your flight & are given a boarding number. You board in that order & can choose any seat. You can pay extra to be in the first group that boards. Those with kids are automatically in the second group. Those that forgot to login & opted not to pay extra are going to be stuck with a middle seat (probably near the family with 4 kids).
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Post by hoops902 on Aug 29, 2014 16:42:11 GMT -5
I'm not much of a traveler, but the last time someone reclined their seat it was a smoking hot blonde with a low-cut top. I don't know what you're all complaining about. My wife was sitting in the row behind me, she asked like 4 times if I wanted to switch seats so I wouldn't have to sit behind someone reclining, obviously I said no. She figured it out when we landed and saw the girl in front of me.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 29, 2014 17:20:04 GMT -5
If male, loudly ask him to please refrain from watching gay porn right next to you. Loudly, so at least half the plane hears.
If female and ugly, or you're travelling with your wife, loudly ask her to please refrain from watching BDSM anal porn and bestiality videos while sitting right next to you. Let her know you'd have no problem with something less out there. Loudly, so at least half the plane hears.
If female and hot, tell her she'd have more fun joining the mile high club with you, or ask her to angle the screen a little bit so you can watch too without the picture washing out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 12:25:27 GMT -5
I'm 6'4 so I always upgrade to economy plus when possible and then it doesn't matter to me if the person in front of me moves their seat back all the way. When it isn't available I always check to see who is behind me to decide if I move my seat back.
I don't mind if the person in front of me moves their seat back a little bit in regular coach but if they do all the way I am extraordinarily uncomfortable and will strategically boot their seat when I think they are close to sleep, most people eventually move their seat back up some after a couple boots.
I think it's common courtesy to check behind you and act appropriately, a tall person just may not have been able to upgrade.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 14:12:01 GMT -5
<snip> why are we fighting with one another. We should ALL be boycotting the airlines. Yeah, I know, like that is going to happen Well, it has to a certain extent. milizard mentioned that she flew less. DH and I drive whenever possible- some of those trips involve 2 overnights but we'd rather do that than fly. (I had pretty good vacation benefits and DH was retired- I know this is less practical for others.) When we fly long-hauls (well, you sort of have to fly to get to Europe unless you take a cruise ship, and Alaska would have been a bit of a long trip by car), we use points or pay extra for Business Class. Unfortunately that means we fly to Europe less often, but we will not tolerate Coach long-hauls anymore. DH is tall and has back problems, and I won't be treated like self-loading cargo, no matter how cheap the flight is. I saw an interesting post from a travel writer yesterday- he said that the stock analysts don't like JetBlue (one of the better-run airlines with a little more seat room) because they're "too customer-focused."
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Post by Firebird on Sept 3, 2014 10:46:55 GMT -5
So I'm either a drama queen or a liar? Good to know I never called anyone a liar. But yes, I do think those of you acting like a reclining seat is the end of the world are drama queens Yeah, okay. We flew multiple times when Babybird was an infant (~6 weeks) so she could meet her extended family. She was nursing at the time so basically she was on my lap (in a sling) through the whole flight. She slept through most of the flights. At one point I had my tray down (probably because I was eating my snack and drinking my juice) and some asshole reclined the seat without looking, which shoved the tray into Babybird's side. Obviously she woke up. I was not pleased, and asked him to move his seat back up (politely). He refused to comply, even when I explained why. But I guess he had every right to be a jerk and stick his tray into my kid's back. That was clearly my fault for being a "drama queen"
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Post by Firebird on Sept 3, 2014 10:48:48 GMT -5
I agree. While I do think I have every right to recline, if the person behind me was super nice about it (not blunt and direct as mentioned in an earlier post) and said "I just need 15 minutes. I would so appreciate it if you could sit upright for that long". I would be totally fine with it. But if you want to go all "I'm working, out your seat up" on me, that isn't going to happen
That is so not how sheilaincali put it... I think you just like to look for reasons to tell people to piss off.
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