Racism on parade part 2- cops, thugs, looting, Obama,& more

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Aug 20, 2014 10:33:07 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The issues in Ferguson as I see them are the utter incompetence of the police force, the generally widespread, but very bad idea of the law enforcement 'best practice' of the primary mission of law enforcement being to gain 'control' and 'maintain order', and never ever backing down under any circumstances, supporting and defending even the most egregious over-reach in pursuit of the 'mission', and never being willing to admit a mistake, or that they might have been wrong.  

Granted, some of this is due to our ridiculous tort system in which everything is a potential winning lottery ticket for an attorney.  Right, wrong, or indifferent, have you ever apologized-- at the very least for the way you made someone feel-- for something even when you thought you were right, or it was no big deal, to live peaceably with someone?  An apology by the police department for the death, and a sincere, heartfelt statement that they'll review the procedures for when deadly force is justified-- again, even if the people in the community are wrong-- would have gone a long way.

And here's an idea-- yeah, I know there are shouts of death to the police, and there are death threats flying-- how about we don't give them so damn many targets to shoot at?

In my opinion, if the streets emptied out of the police-- as in NO cops to be found-- this thing would calm down in about an hour.  Confrontational people need resistance.  They need an opposing force.  They'll get bored and go home if one is not provided.

IMHO, it's time for everyone- including the police- to just go home.

I want some of whatever you are on, if you truly believe that.

How about this instead... if the streets emptied out of rioters and protesters, the police would go home because there wouldn't be anything for them to do.

[zibazinski]

Or they'd loot what store keepers that haven't been looted yet.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2014 20:26:40 GMT -5 @richardintn said:

Aug 20, 2014 10:33:07 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The issues in Ferguson as I see them are the utter incompetence of the police force, the generally widespread, but very bad idea of the law enforcement 'best practice' of the primary mission of law enforcement being to gain 'control' and 'maintain order', and never ever backing down under any circumstances, supporting and defending even the most egregious over-reach in pursuit of the 'mission', and never being willing to admit a mistake, or that they might have been wrong.  

Granted, some of this is due to our ridiculous tort system in which everything is a potential winning lottery ticket for an attorney.  Right, wrong, or indifferent, have you ever apologized-- at the very least for the way you made someone feel-- for something even when you thought you were right, or it was no big deal, to live peaceably with someone?  An apology by the police department for the death, and a sincere, heartfelt statement that they'll review the procedures for when deadly force is justified-- again, even if the people in the community are wrong-- would have gone a long way.

And here's an idea-- yeah, I know there are shouts of death to the police, and there are death threats flying-- how about we don't give them so damn many targets to shoot at?

In my opinion, if the streets emptied out of the police-- as in NO cops to be found-- this thing would calm down in about an hour.  Confrontational people need resistance.  They need an opposing force.  They'll get bored and go home if one is not provided.

IMHO, it's time for everyone- including the police- to just go home.

I want some of whatever you are on, if you truly believe that.

How about this instead... if the streets emptied out of rioters and protesters, the police would go home because there wouldn't be anything for them to do.

sure.  they could frame someone for possession and take their car.  that's always good for a laugh.

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Aug 20, 2014 20:30:03 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Or they'd loot what store keepers that haven't been looted yet.

That's exactly what I was thinking - if the police had left them to themselves expecting them to "calm down", there'd be rioting, looting, arson, and who-knows-what else going on?

[Shooby]

Brown was a thug. He broke the cop's eye socket. He got his just desserts.

[Shooby]

The libs hope against hope that eventually one of these scenarios will support their politics of Race agenda. But , it never does.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2014 20:43:02 GMT -5 Shooby said:

The libs hope against hope that eventually one of these scenarios will support their politics of Race agenda. But , it never does.

true enough.  we keep hoping that these situations will maximize liberty for all peoples, but they invariably disappoint.  particularly in the South.

[Shooby]

Stop attacking cops when they are in the right.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2014 20:59:48 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Stop attacking cops when they are in the right.

stop defending them when you don't know whether they are or not.

[Shooby]

Don't beat cops in the face and then you won't get shot.

[Shooby]

The only inconsistencies I have heard are on the Brown side.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2014 21:04:49 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Don't beat cops in the face and then you won't get shot.

you read something on conservoblog and suddenly, it is the unvarnished truth, eh?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2014 21:05:36 GMT -5 Shooby said:

The only inconsistencies I have heard are on the Brown side.

i don't know jack about this case.  i only know about the response, which was inexcusably horrific on the enforcement side.

[Shooby]

So the cop didn't have an orbital fracture?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2014 21:11:24 GMT -5 Shooby said:

So the cop didn't have an orbital fracture?

i see no reason to assume than any unverified report is true.  do you?

[Shooby]

Ignore any pesky facts that don't fit your scenario.

[Shooby]

But , I can wait till there is a trial, hearing or whatever. Bookmark this.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2014 21:26:38 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Ignore any pesky facts that don't fit your scenario.

as i said, i have made no presumptions about the case whatsoever.  if you find evidence to the contrary, please present it.

you, on the other hand, have shown clear prejudice on this thread.  therefore, i will assume you were talking to yourself. 

[Shooby]

No you assume " prejudice" because that is the only lens by which u can view the world. Iwas ccritical of the police till more facts trickled out. But whatevs.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 20, 2014 21:32:37 GMT -5 Shooby said:

No you assume " prejudice" because that is the only lens by which u can view the world. Iwas ccritical of the police till more facts trickled out. But whatevs.

no, i actually meant it in the judicial sense- you know- like Jury Selection?  you would not even make the first cut. 

again, i have not followed this case closely.  i have, however, watched the aftermath very closely.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 20, 2014 20:43:02 GMT -5 Shooby said:

The libs hope against hope that eventually one of these scenarios will support their politics of Race agenda. But , it never does.

  Poor Shooby.  She's looking for a fight on this thread too.  

[mmhmm]

We have no clue what happened between the officer and Mr. Brown. There have been countless conflicting eye-witness reports. I wouldn't presume to hazard a guess, at this point, as to what went down. As I see it, the whole protest has little to do with Mr. Brown's demise. That may have been the catalyst, but it's not the point. I haven't been to St. Louis in over 30 years, but I knew this area then. It was a place one didn't go unless one had to go there. I'm sure there have been changes, but there may not have been enough changes. As I said before, St. Louis and surrounds seemed to me to be one of the most racist places I've ever experienced. My daughter feels the same way. Far worse than here in the oft maligned "deep south".

[Shooby]

Does the officer get not presumption of innocence?

[Shooby]

No the point isn't racism. There is no evidence the cop acted in a racist fashion whatsoever.

[mmhmm]

As I said, Shooby, this isn't about the officer and Mr. Brown. It's about something far larger and more entrenched than that single event.

[Shooby]

Fine. Then don't pretend that is the reason

[mmhmm]

Aug 20, 2014 22:04:49 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Fine. Then don't pretend that is the reason

Excuse me? I specifically said it wasn't the reason, Shooby.

[EVT1]

So that's one person on the thread that knows exactly what happened I guess.   Forget investigations- they should just get Shooby's opinion and pack it up- case closed.  

    

[Shooby]

The facts are emerging. Sorry u don't like them but they are what they are.

[resolution]

Aug 20, 2014 22:04:49 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Fine. Then don't pretend that is the reason

Most of us care way more about the civil rights violations that are going on in the current police action than what happened in that specific encounter that triggered the demonstrations.