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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 28, 2014 12:22:25 GMT -5
I claim it shows how racist the country is. Have to be a fucking moron to think otherwise. Evidently I am a fucking moron according to EVT1
We should start a club. The FMC! I haven't made up my mind yet. I think a lot of people are donating to Officer Wilson's cause because they don't want to see him arrested and convicted just to keep peace. If he is guilty of taking that young man's life without cause, that is what should happen and I don't know anybody who doesn't feel that way. But what shouldn't happen is to allow public pressure to weigh in on the decision. The evidence shows he should be charged or it doesn't. Fear of repercussions should have nothing to do with and I think some people feel that it will. I think most people just want to see truth prevail - whatever that truth is.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 28, 2014 12:46:29 GMT -5
i would not donate a dime to either side unless i knew them personally.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 28, 2014 13:10:59 GMT -5
Nor would I. I donate what I can afford - monetary wise - to animal shelters. I donate time to some others (including animal shelters).
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Post by EVT1 on Aug 28, 2014 15:52:45 GMT -5
I would bet the majority of people donating are the same types of folks that donated to Zimmerman- their donation making the statement that they support killing thugs regardless of what the facts will end up.
I am sure some are other cops donating- and I can understand that. But it is pretty darn strange no one donates to all of the other cops that get arrested and charged with crimes- what makes this so special? I wonder......
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 28, 2014 16:13:24 GMT -5
Officer Wilson hasn't been charged with any crimes.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 28, 2014 19:22:26 GMT -5
I would bet the majority of people donating are the same types of folks that donated to Zimmerman- their donation making the statement that they support killing thugs regardless of what the facts will end up.
I am sure some are other cops donating- and I can understand that. But it is pretty darn strange no one donates to all of the other cops that get arrested and charged with crimes- what makes this so special? I wonder......
Simply put, we saw from day one the national press was out to nail this officer irregardless of facts not being put together. The press convicted and sentenced him. It was a public lynching on MSNBC People can read between the lines.
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Post by EVT1 on Aug 28, 2014 21:11:09 GMT -5
People can also read the racist comments on the donor page that had to be taken down over it.
What sucks about it is I am sure the officer would rather not take money from some of those losers. Just like with Zimmerman- you find a lot of scumbags in your support camp that you never asked for.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 28, 2014 21:24:56 GMT -5
People can also read the racist comments on the donor page that had to be taken down over it.
What sucks about it is I am sure the officer would rather not take money from some of those losers. Just like with Zimmerman- you find a lot of scumbags in your support camp that you never asked for.
See reply #32.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 28, 2014 21:25:43 GMT -5
I would bet the majority of people donating are the same types of folks that donated to Zimmerman- their donation making the statement that they support killing thugs regardless of what the facts will end up.
I am sure some are other cops donating- and I can understand that. But it is pretty darn strange no one donates to all of the other cops that get arrested and charged with crimes- what makes this so special? I wonder......
Simply put, we saw from day one the national press was out to nail this officer irregardless of facts not being put together. The press convicted and sentenced him. It was a public lynching on MSNBC People can read between the lines.
I didn't read it that way. I read it as the typical press debacle showcasing the most sensational aspects of whatever they happen to be featuring. I'm accustomed to that and tend to disregard it. I listen only to that which seems factually relevant. At this point in time, I still don't know enough to opine on who did what to whom and why.
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Post by EVT1 on Aug 28, 2014 22:15:10 GMT -5
People can also read the racist comments on the donor page that had to be taken down over it.
What sucks about it is I am sure the officer would rather not take money from some of those losers. Just like with Zimmerman- you find a lot of scumbags in your support camp that you never asked for.
See reply #32. Good point- and if I recall the KKK higher ups even slapped down those folks. That's like Al Quaeda calling ISIS too extreme
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 28, 2014 22:19:34 GMT -5
The KKK being racist isn't exactly a newsflash. The KKK said they were soliciting funds. I didn't read anywhere where those funds were offered or even accepted by Officer Wilson or whomever is handling his business. They can solicit funds until they are blue in the face (which I guess would be hard to see), but that doesn't mean anybody accepts them, even if offered.
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 28, 2014 22:19:31 GMT -5
Simply put, we saw from day one the national press was out to nail this officer irregardless of facts not being put together. The press convicted and sentenced him. It was a public lynching on MSNBC People can read between the lines.
I didn't read it that way. I read it as the typical press debacle showcasing the most sensational aspects of whatever they happen to be featuring. I'm accustomed to that and tend to disregard it. I listen only to that which seems factually relevant. At this point in time, I still don't know enough to opine on who did what to whom and why. You might be accustomed to it, and disregard it, but the simple fact is, most of America does not. I agree with your last sentence. Federal government seems amazingly quiet on this right now, as well as the county grand jury. I am talking about the "national press" here, not the local news outlets. National press has moved on to other things for a day or two.
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Post by EVT1 on Aug 28, 2014 23:08:45 GMT -5
The KKK being racist isn't exactly a newsflash. The KKK said they were soliciting funds. I didn't read anywhere where those funds were offered or even accepted by Officer Wilson or whomever is handling his business. They can solicit funds until they are blue in the face (which I guess would be hard to see), but that doesn't mean anybody accepts them, even if offered. I am sure he would not accept them, and I doubt he is a racist either- prejudiced probably- but whether or not he went to far is up for debate.
But, a question I have now after reading another report- is where is the incident report? Why would the police not release it? In an officer involved shooting the normal procedure is for the officer to explain what happened- so where is it? Word has it there isn't one- and if that is true then there are some serious problems here. I think this goes to the heart of the issue- the police caging the information- no freaking wonder people think it is a cover-up. All this speculation, bullshit like PBP posts about the 'twelve witnesses', the 'orbital blowout fracture', etc.- yet the police haven't said a damn thing. Why not?
And I shall call out PBP again for posting known false photographs, the cop that posted them as well, and every internet bullshit spreader out there that saw it as job one to dig and find out anything that paints the victim as a 'thug'. Even Mr. Virgil fell for it because some asshat pulled a criminal record of a 'Michael Brown' (the worst one they could find I am sure) and tried to attribute it to a person with no record. Here's a hint- if you are attacking the victim you are not concerned with facts- you have made your mind up.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 29, 2014 0:06:33 GMT -5
I didn't read it that way. I read it as the typical press debacle showcasing the most sensational aspects of whatever they happen to be featuring. I'm accustomed to that and tend to disregard it. I listen only to that which seems factually relevant. At this point in time, I still don't know enough to opine on who did what to whom and why. You might be accustomed to it, and disregard it, but the simple fact is, most of America does not. I agree with your last sentence. Federal government seems amazingly quiet on this right now, as well as the county grand jury. I am talking about the "national press" here, not the local news outlets. National press has moved on to other things for a day or two.
They should be quiet on it. They don't know any more than you, or I. However, if something else comes up they think might raise a shout, they'll surely tell everyone who'll listen all about it. I give people more credit than you do. I really don't think the majority of people are slavering over this stuff, and I don't think the majority of people think they know what happened because of what's been reported. Are there those who do? Of course. There are those who think the moon is made of green cheese, but they aren't the majority, either. Most people have more sense than they're given credit for, fortunately. While they might share in all the prurient details around the water cooler, they're not really buying it all. It's just good fodder when there's nothing else to talk about.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 29, 2014 0:13:52 GMT -5
I agree with you about spreading false information, which is why I took issue with the KKK thing. It happens on both sides. The KKK says they are soliciting funds and alllllllllllll of a sudden people just assume Office Wilson is accepting donations from the KKK. It's a smoke screen meant to make the officer look bad. "Look at that! He associates with the KKK!" It's a good thing most people actually have a brain and see through stuff like that. When you have to make up stuff to make your case, your case isn't very strong - on either side.
I try very hard to read what is actually written. For instance, you write "If you are attacking the victim you are not concerned with facts - you have made your mind up". I'm not at all sure Michael Brown was a victim of anything. He may be the dead guy, but that doesn't make him a victim. He could very well be dead because he was the perpetrator.
Actually, I'm not excited for either scenario to be true. Neither one of them is pleasant.
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Post by The Captain on Aug 29, 2014 8:49:30 GMT -5
Simply put, we saw from day one the national press was out to nail this officer irregardless of facts not being put together. The press convicted and sentenced him. It was a public lynching on MSNBC People can read between the lines.
I didn't read it that way. I read it as the typical press debacle showcasing the most sensational aspects of whatever they happen to be featuring. I'm accustomed to that and tend to disregard it. I listen only to that which seems factually relevant. At this point in time, I still don't know enough to opine on who did what to whom and why. Even a political cartoonist seems to have clued into the fact that the media has convicted the officer...it's a pretty common perception. editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/135301/ETA - why the heck can't I figure out how to insert an image!!!
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 29, 2014 9:01:48 GMT -5
I didn't read it that way. I read it as the typical press debacle showcasing the most sensational aspects of whatever they happen to be featuring. I'm accustomed to that and tend to disregard it. I listen only to that which seems factually relevant. At this point in time, I still don't know enough to opine on who did what to whom and why. Even a political cartoonist seems to have clued into the fact that the media has convicted the officer...it's a pretty common perception. editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/135301/ETA - why the heck can't I figure out how to insert an image!!! A common perception doesn't indicate, to me, that the majority of people have decided on an issue. That's especially true of what the press presents as common perceptions. They're after the drama and what will make the most sensational story. They don't give two hoots about the facts. To insert an image, click on the third icon (landscape picture) in the icon row at the top of your reply box. In the top box (either backspace to remove the highlighting or leave it in place - otherwise, you'll have two http) and insert your copied URL. Skip the lower box (that's for text to accompany the pic, if you want it. You can add text later, if you choose) and click on Insert Image. That should work for you. If it doesn't, let me know and we'll work out what's going on.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 29, 2014 9:34:18 GMT -5
I agree with you about spreading false information, which is why I took issue with the KKK thing. It happens on both sides. The KKK says they are soliciting funds and alllllllllllll of a sudden people just assume Office Wilson is accepting donations from the KKK. It's a smoke screen meant to make the officer look bad. "Look at that! He associates with the KKK!" It's a good thing most people actually have a brain and see through stuff like that. When you have to make up stuff to make your case, your case isn't very strong - on either side. I try very hard to read what is actually written. For instance, you write "If you are attacking the victim you are not concerned with facts - you have made your mind up". I'm not at all sure Michael Brown was a victim of anything. He may be the dead guy, but that doesn't make him a victim. He could very well be dead because he was the perpetrator. Actually, I'm not excited for either scenario to be true. Neither one of them is pleasant. there was a well organized scenario against Ron Paul in 2008 that went along these lines. guilt by association is utterly despicable. like when a certain poster claims that a certain president is a Marxist because he once had a Marxist professor.
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Post by EVT1 on Aug 29, 2014 20:45:58 GMT -5
Wow- I guess I was wrong- another cop has a donation site set up for his defense to raping and/or sexually abusing 8 women.
www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/29/oklahoma-cop-charged-sexual-assaults/14830063/
Officer Daniel Holtzclaw, 27, was charged with two counts of first-degree rape, four counts of sexual battery, four counts of forcible oral sodomy, four counts of indecent exposure, one count of first-degree burglary and one count of stalkingHoltzclaw is accused of raping at least two women while on duty and forcing four to perform oral sex, in addition to fondling the women and forcing them to expose themselves.
The officer is white and the women are black so I guess the racists should get their wallets ready- busy year.
Holtzclaw has remained jailed since his arrest Aug. 21. He denies the allegations, his attorney told the Associated Press.
Supporters have set up a "Justice for Daniel Holtzclaw" page on Facebook and are raising funds on GoFundMe.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 29, 2014 21:11:29 GMT -5
Dang, I didn't know Bush had a professor!!
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 5, 2014 0:15:34 GMT -5
Is there any word on Grand Jury investigation?
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Post by EVT1 on Sept 11, 2014 20:11:21 GMT -5
New video out showing witnesses right after:
www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Two men, shocked at what they saw, describe an unarmed teenager with his hands up in the air as he's gunned down by a police officer.
They were contractors doing construction work in Ferguson, Missouri, on the day Michael Brown was killed.
And the men, who asked not to be identified after CNN contacted them, said they were about 50 feet away from Officer Darren Wilson when he opened fire.
An exclusive cell phone video captures their reactions during the moments just after the shooting. "He had his f**n hands up," one of the men says in the video.
The man told CNN he heard one gunshot, then another shot about 30 seconds later.
"The cop didn't say get on the ground. He just kept shooting," the man said.
That same witness described the gruesome scene, saying he saw Brown's "brains come out of his head," again stating, "his hands were up."
So some corroboration from a couple white guys in town working
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