Racism on parade part 2- cops, thugs, looting, Obama,& more

[resolution]

It doesn't sound like there is much leadership, which is probably why Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton thought they could be opportunists and move in. It sounds like some church leaders were trying to step in lately and calm things down.


Here is another link  links about some of the arrests.

www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/78-arrested-overnight-most-missouri-arrest-records-show-n184036

[djAdvocate]

Aug 22, 2014 3:52:54 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Is there any recognized leadership among the protesters? Any common objective?

What do they hope to accomplish?

my impression is that they were trying to draw attention to their situation.

i am thinking.....it worked.

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 22, 2014 10:23:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 22, 2014 3:52:54 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Is there any recognized leadership among the protesters? Any common objective?

What do they hope to accomplish?

my impression is that they were trying to draw attention to their situation.

i am thinking.....it worked.

What situation? The situation where they have enough free time to march through Podunk USA protesting the wrongful death of a man they have no idea was wrongfully killed or not?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 22, 2014 11:07:55 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Aug 22, 2014 10:23:13 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

my impression is that they were trying to draw attention to their situation.

i am thinking.....it worked.

What situation? The situation where they have enough free time to march through Podunk USA protesting the wrongful death of a man they have no idea was wrongfully killed or not?

no, the endemic police brutality, and the disconnection between law enforcement and the community.  was that not obvious?

[Virgil Showlion]

Aug 22, 2014 11:39:47 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 22, 2014 11:07:55 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

What situation? The situation where they have enough free time to march through Podunk USA protesting the wrongful death of a man they have no idea was wrongfully killed or not?

no, the endemic police brutality, and the disconnection between law enforcement and the community.  was that not obvious?

For the police brutality to be endemic, the protesters have to be endemic. As far as I've read, 98% of everyone there is from far and away.

Besides that, what does marching through the streets drawing attention hope to accomplish? What if the officer was fully justified in the shooting? They're drawing attention to the fact that police shot a man that deserved to be shot?

Do these people not have jobs?

[djAdvocate]

don't you have a job?

[Deleted]

Aug 22, 2014 12:46:08 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Aug 22, 2014 11:39:47 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

no, the endemic police brutality, and the disconnection between law enforcement and the community.  was that not obvious?

For the police brutality to be endemic, the protesters have to be endemic. As far as I've read, 98% of everyone there is from far and away.

Besides that, what does marching through the streets drawing attention hope to accomplish? What if the officer was fully justified in the shooting? They're drawing attention to the fact that police shot a man that deserved to be shot?

Do these people not have jobs?

People like attention. Some will travel to get it. Certain types of people look for confrontation. Some will travel to find it. ( Some people like to state the obvious, they log onto a forum )

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Well, now that the Ferguson myth is unraveling, and it doesn't look like the fringe left media is going to be able to put Humpty Dumpty together again, I think it's fair to begin the post mortem.  Not of the case of course, but the myth.  First we should define the myth- it's contained in large part in the title of this thread, but there's more to it:

The Ferguson Myth:

One day, Michael Brown, a harmless, lovable "Gentle Giant" was strolling innocently along the street on a beautiful sunny Saturday afternoon minding his own business, on his way to visit his sweet old granny, smiling as he thought excitedly about the future, starting college soon when all of the sudden, out of the blue, a police car came roaring up behind him, and a police officer started harassing him for no reason.  Not really knowing what was happening, or why, the "Gentle Giant" put his hands up in surrender, and dropped to his knees.  And that's when the police officer shot him for being black.

The sad part is that I've hardly exaggerated at all.  But the myth is dead now.  The video was released- the one the media and the protesters were demanding be released, and suddenly the "Gentle Giant" wasn't so gentle anymore.  It clearly showed the "Gentle Giant" roughing up the store clerk, and walking out with a box of Swisher Sweets.  

Then more than a dozen witnesses corroborate the police officer's version of events, the physical evidence reveals a struggle for the gun inside the police vehicle, and that the officer was severely injured fighting with the "Gentle Giant".

The tragedy is that the aftermath had the potential to get a national conversation started on police conduct, and the militarization of police departments, when deadly force is called for, how to- to paraphrase Chris Rock, "Not get your ass kicked [shot] by the police".   

Now, instead, we're in another situation like Trayvon Martin-- where all of the media attention, all of the coverage, much of the commentary, and the national discussion completely and totally centers on the myth.  Some of you are going to get this, some won't.

But it's a serious problem because, as I said regarding the Trayvon Martin case, the trouble is the real issues won't be discussed, and the real lessons won't be learned.  And it has also deepened the racial divide due in large part because the myth has helped to cement in the minds of blacks who already erroneously believe this garbage.  Police, local residents of all races and creeds, and white people in particular nation-wide now have to worry because more fuel has been poured on the fire that there's a rash of violence by white cops on black youths (even though the majority of murders are black on black crime, and the majority of those are blacks with criminal records killing other blacks with criminal records), and that this serves as justification to attack white people on the basis of race.

And the left willingly promotes the myth and the attendant racially-motivated violence.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

And of course, it presents yet another conundrum for liberal ideology:

[Tennesseer]

Aug 22, 2014 13:42:19 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Well, now that the Ferguson myth is unraveling, and it doesn't look like the fringe left media is going to be able to put Humpty Dumpty together again, I think it's fair to begin the post mortem.  Not of the case of course, but the myth.  First we should define the myth- it's contained in large part in the title of this thread, but there's more to it:

The Ferguson Myth:

One day, Michael Brown, a harmless, lovable "Gentle Giant" was strolling innocently along the street on a beautiful sunny Saturday afternoon minding his own business, on his way to visit his sweet old granny, smiling as he thought excitedly about the future, starting college soon when all of the sudden, out of the blue, a police car came roaring up behind him, and a police officer started harassing him for no reason.  Not really knowing what was happening, or why, the "Gentle Giant" put his hands up in surrender, and dropped to his knees.  And that's when the police officer shot him for being black.

The sad part is that I've hardly exaggerated at all.  But the myth is dead now.  The video was released- the one the media and the protesters were demanding be released, and suddenly the "Gentle Giant" wasn't so gentle anymore.  It clearly showed the "Gentle Giant" roughing up the store clerk, and walking out with a box of Swisher Sweets.  

Then more than a dozen witnesses corroborate the police officer's version of events, the physical evidence reveals a struggle for the gun inside the police vehicle, and that the officer was severely injured fighting with the "Gentle Giant".

The tragedy is that the aftermath had the potential to get a national conversation started on police conduct, and the militarization of police departments, when deadly force is called for, how to- to paraphrase Chris Rock, "Not get your ass kicked [shot] by the police".   

Now, instead, we're in another situation like Trayvon Martin-- where all of the media attention, all of the coverage, much of the commentary, and the national discussion completely and totally centers on the myth.  Some of you are going to get this, some won't.

But it's a serious problem because, as I said regarding the Trayvon Martin case, the trouble is the real issues won't be discussed, and the real lessons won't be learned.  And it has also deepened the racial divide due in large part because the myth has helped to cement in the minds of blacks who already erroneously believe this garbage.  Police, local residents of all races and creeds, and white people in particular nation-wide now have to worry because more fuel has been poured on the fire that there's a rash of violence by white cops on black youths (even though the majority of murders are black on black crime, and the majority of those are blacks with criminal records killing other blacks with criminal records), and that this serves as justification to attack white people on the basis of race.

And the left willingly promotes the myth and the attendant racially-motivated violence.

It is just a matter of time before paul finds an article which matches his personal agenda and in which the article calls Brown a 'ni@@er'.  Paul will most likely post and quote the word here just like he repeatedly posted the same quoted word on the Trayvon Martin thread.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Ah, but you see, TN, I am not doing that. That is what the inventors and adherent's to the myth have done. I have held out that we may still in fact find that the officer did not act appropriately- even though he didn't shoot Brown in cold blood (which we do know for sure now), and that we still have issues with the way the police interact and treat the people they work for-- namely, they don't behave as civilians themselves, which of course- they must be.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 22, 2014 14:03:57 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Ah, but you see, TN, I am not doing that. That is what the inventors and adherent's to the myth have done. I have held out that we may still in fact find that the officer did not act appropriately- even though he didn't shoot Brown in cold blood (which we do know for sure now), and that we still have issues with the way the police interact and treat the people they work for-- namely, they don't behave as civilians themselves, which of course- they must be.

Ahhh paul.  You most likely will in time do that, if not here then elsewhere. You simply cannot help yourself.  Just like you could not help yourself on the Trayvon Martin thread.  The true Paul came out on that thread.

[djAdvocate]

actually, the circumstances of Michael's death are largely immaterial to me.  that is for his family and local law enforcement to figure out.

what interests me is the response on the part of the police department to the outrage which ensued.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 22, 2014 13:44:19 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

And of course, it presents yet another conundrum for liberal ideology:

i don't believe either half of that, and i am as liberal as they come.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 22, 2014 13:17:30 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Aug 22, 2014 12:46:08 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

For the police brutality to be endemic, the protesters have to be endemic. As far as I've read, 98% of everyone there is from far and away.

Besides that, what does marching through the streets drawing attention hope to accomplish? What if the officer was fully justified in the shooting? They're drawing attention to the fact that police shot a man that deserved to be shot?

Do these people not have jobs?

People like attention. Some will travel to get it. Certain types of people look for confrontation. Some will travel to find it. ( Some people like to state the obvious, they log onto a forum )

what does any of this have to do with anything?  it doesn't excuse the police from teargassing and herding people around, does it?

[Deleted]

Aug 22, 2014 14:20:01 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 22, 2014 13:17:30 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

People like attention. Some will travel to get it. Certain types of people look for confrontation. Some will travel to find it. ( Some people like to state the obvious, they log onto a forum )

what does any of this have to do with anything?  it doesn't excuse the police from teargassing and herding people around, does it?

I saw pictures of looting and property destruction, also of standing around with signs. When I was a kid.  I was stuck with my grandmother in down town Chicago one day during the MLK race riots. We ran behind the first cops we saw and were helped out of the area. The Ferguson pictures didn't look much different. At that point, teargassing and crowd control is the only option for the best benefit for the community. The police are paid to do these things because the average person can't. It might be time to take a stand on eliminating your police force and move criminal control back into the hands of the affected citizens. If that's what you prefer. In my version, the little store clerk would of been in fear for his life and shot the strong arm thief himself. It's what I would of done, to the financial detriment of the media.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 22, 2014 14:37:04 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Aug 22, 2014 14:20:01 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

what does any of this have to do with anything?  it doesn't excuse the police from teargassing and herding people around, does it?

I saw pictures of looting and property destruction, also of standing around with signs. When I was a kid.  I was stuck with my grandmother in down town Chicago one day during the MLK race riots. We ran behind the first cops we saw and were helped out of the area. The Ferguson pictures didn't look much different. At that point, teargassing and crowd control is the only option for the best benefit for the community.

i fervently disagree that it is the ONLY option.  but if it were the "best" option AT THAT POINT, that is more the fault of the Ferguson police department than the protestors.

The police are paid to do these things because the average person can't. It might be time to take a stand on eliminating your police force and move criminal control back into the hands of the affected citizens. If that's what you prefer. In my version, the little store clerk would of been in fear for his life and shot the strong arm thief himself. It's what I would of done, to the financial detriment of the media.

i have already stated what i prefer.

[EVT1]

Aug 22, 2014 13:42:19 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Well, now that the Ferguson myth is unraveling, and it doesn't look like the fringe left media is going to be able to put Humpty Dumpty together again, I think it's fair to begin the post mortem.  Not of the case of course, but the myth.  First we should define the myth- it's contained in large part in the title of this thread, but there's more to it:

The Ferguson Myth:

One day, Michael Brown, a harmless, lovable "Gentle Giant" was strolling innocently along the street on a beautiful sunny Saturday afternoon minding his own business, on his way to visit his sweet old granny, smiling as he thought excitedly about the future, starting college soon when all of the sudden, out of the blue, a police car came roaring up behind him, and a police officer started harassing him for no reason.  Not really knowing what was happening, or why, the "Gentle Giant" put his hands up in surrender, and dropped to his knees.  And that's when the police officer shot him for being black.

The sad part is that I've hardly exaggerated at all.  But the myth is dead now.  The video was released- the one the media and the protesters were demanding be released, and suddenly the "Gentle Giant" wasn't so gentle anymore.  It clearly showed the "Gentle Giant" roughing up the store clerk, and walking out with a box of Swisher Sweets.  

Then more than a dozen witnesses corroborate the police officer's version of events, the physical evidence reveals a struggle for the gun inside the police vehicle, and that the officer was severely injured fighting with the "Gentle Giant".

The tragedy is that the aftermath had the potential to get a national conversation started on police conduct, and the militarization of police departments, when deadly force is called for, how to- to paraphrase Chris Rock, "Not get your ass kicked [shot] by the police".   

Now, instead, we're in another situation like Trayvon Martin-- where all of the media attention, all of the coverage, much of the commentary, and the national discussion completely and totally centers on the myth.  Some of you are going to get this, some won't.

But it's a serious problem because, as I said regarding the Trayvon Martin case, the trouble is the real issues won't be discussed, and the real lessons won't be learned.  And it has also deepened the racial divide due in large part because the myth has helped to cement in the minds of blacks who already erroneously believe this garbage.  Police, local residents of all races and creeds, and white people in particular nation-wide now have to worry because more fuel has been poured on the fire that there's a rash of violence by white cops on black youths (even though the majority of murders are black on black crime, and the majority of those are blacks with criminal records killing other blacks with criminal records), and that this serves as justification to attack white people on the basis of race.

And the left willingly promotes the myth and the attendant racially-motivated violence.

It's only looking like the Martin case because people- like you apparently- have decided what happened.  And of course- just like that case- his legal defense fund is being donated to by similar people.  So send him a check already.

Still waiting to hear about the '12 witnesses' and the 'physical evidence' you claim to know about.

Tell you what man- you show me how 12 people can witness an attempted gun grab inside of a police car   The car must have been surrounded!  Plus you have to add the other 5- aka THE ONLY WITNESSES ON RECORD- so that makes 17 people surrounding the police car peeking through the windows- give me a break.

And all of this is irrelevant anyway- the only thing that matters is what was happening when he fired his gun at an unarmed person.  You have condemned the victim based on about nothing just like you did in the Martin case.  So again- write that check that states clearly that whenever a white cop shoots an unarmed black person they had it coming- being the thugs that they are.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 22, 2014 20:34:52 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Aug 22, 2014 13:42:19 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Well, now that the Ferguson myth is unraveling, and it doesn't look like the fringe left media is going to be able to put Humpty Dumpty together again, I think it's fair to begin the post mortem.  Not of the case of course, but the myth.  First we should define the myth- it's contained in large part in the title of this thread, but there's more to it:

The Ferguson Myth:

One day, Michael Brown, a harmless, lovable "Gentle Giant" was strolling innocently along the street on a beautiful sunny Saturday afternoon minding his own business, on his way to visit his sweet old granny, smiling as he thought excitedly about the future, starting college soon when all of the sudden, out of the blue, a police car came roaring up behind him, and a police officer started harassing him for no reason.  Not really knowing what was happening, or why, the "Gentle Giant" put his hands up in surrender, and dropped to his knees.  And that's when the police officer shot him for being black.

The sad part is that I've hardly exaggerated at all.  But the myth is dead now.  The video was released- the one the media and the protesters were demanding be released, and suddenly the "Gentle Giant" wasn't so gentle anymore.  It clearly showed the "Gentle Giant" roughing up the store clerk, and walking out with a box of Swisher Sweets.  

Then more than a dozen witnesses corroborate the police officer's version of events, the physical evidence reveals a struggle for the gun inside the police vehicle, and that the officer was severely injured fighting with the "Gentle Giant".

The tragedy is that the aftermath had the potential to get a national conversation started on police conduct, and the militarization of police departments, when deadly force is called for, how to- to paraphrase Chris Rock, "Not get your ass kicked [shot] by the police".   

Now, instead, we're in another situation like Trayvon Martin-- where all of the media attention, all of the coverage, much of the commentary, and the national discussion completely and totally centers on the myth.  Some of you are going to get this, some won't.

But it's a serious problem because, as I said regarding the Trayvon Martin case, the trouble is the real issues won't be discussed, and the real lessons won't be learned.  And it has also deepened the racial divide due in large part because the myth has helped to cement in the minds of blacks who already erroneously believe this garbage.  Police, local residents of all races and creeds, and white people in particular nation-wide now have to worry because more fuel has been poured on the fire that there's a rash of violence by white cops on black youths (even though the majority of murders are black on black crime, and the majority of those are blacks with criminal records killing other blacks with criminal records), and that this serves as justification to attack white people on the basis of race.

And the left willingly promotes the myth and the attendant racially-motivated violence.

It's only looking like the Martin case because people- like you apparently- have decided what happened.  And of course- just like that case- his legal defense fund is being donated to by similar people.  So send him a check already.

Still waiting to hear about the '12 witnesses' and the 'physical evidence' you claim to know about.

Tell you what man- you show me how 12 people can witness an attempted gun grab inside of a police car   The car must have been surrounded!  Plus you have to add the other 5- aka THE ONLY WITNESSES ON RECORD- so that makes 17 people surrounding the police car peeking through the windows- give me a break.

And all of this is irrelevant anyway- the only thing that matters is what was happening when he fired his gun at an unarmed person.  You have condemned the victim based on about nothing just like you did in the Martin case.  So again- write that check that states clearly that whenever a white cop shoots an unarmed black person they had it coming- being the thugs that they are.

Once again, I haven't decided everything.  My mood isn't on a roller coaster with each new revelation because unlike the purveyors of the myth, and adherents to the myth, I'm not invested in a pre-determined outcome.  We used to be innocent until proven guilty.  Now we're guilty even after a jury acquits us (hello, Zimmerman verdict) because some people just cannot accept facts they don't like.  I have not condemned the victim.  George Zimmerman was very clearly justified in using deadly force to defend his life.  I'm in no way convinced deadly force was necessary here- I just don't have enough information to make up my own mind on it- and I'm not invested one way or the other.  I do think, based on what we know so far, "murder" or similar serious criminal charges are a long shot.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 22, 2014 14:53:27 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 22, 2014 14:37:04 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

I saw pictures of looting and property destruction, also of standing around with signs. When I was a kid.  I was stuck with my grandmother in down town Chicago one day during the MLK race riots. We ran behind the first cops we saw and were helped out of the area. The Ferguson pictures didn't look much different. At that point, teargassing and crowd control is the only option for the best benefit for the community.

i fervently disagree that it is the ONLY option.  but if it were the "best" option AT THAT POINT, that is more the fault of the Ferguson police department than the protestors.

The police are paid to do these things because the average person can't. It might be time to take a stand on eliminating your police force and move criminal control back into the hands of the affected citizens. If that's what you prefer. In my version, the little store clerk would of been in fear for his life and shot the strong arm thief himself. It's what I would of done, to the financial detriment of the media.

i have already stated what i prefer.

The store clerk would have been justified in shooting Michael Brown, and anyone in that business that doesn't have a firearm at the ready is a fool.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 22, 2014 14:11:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 22, 2014 14:03:57 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Ah, but you see, TN, I am not doing that. That is what the inventors and adherent's to the myth have done. I have held out that we may still in fact find that the officer did not act appropriately- even though he didn't shoot Brown in cold blood (which we do know for sure now), and that we still have issues with the way the police interact and treat the people they work for-- namely, they don't behave as civilians themselves, which of course- they must be.

Ahhh paul.  You most likely will in time do that, if not here then elsewhere. You simply cannot help yourself.  Just like you could not help yourself on the Trayvon Martin thread.  The true Paul came out on that thread.

That's because once we had the information, it was clear that George Zimmerman did not commit a crime- let alone murder.  I have a pretty easy time digesting and accepting facts once they're presented.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 22, 2014 23:17:32 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 22, 2014 20:34:52 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

It's only looking like the Martin case because people- like you apparently- have decided what happened.  And of course- just like that case- his legal defense fund is being donated to by similar people.  So send him a check already.

Still waiting to hear about the '12 witnesses' and the 'physical evidence' you claim to know about.

Tell you what man- you show me how 12 people can witness an attempted gun grab inside of a police car   The car must have been surrounded!  Plus you have to add the other 5- aka THE ONLY WITNESSES ON RECORD- so that makes 17 people surrounding the police car peeking through the windows- give me a break.

And all of this is irrelevant anyway- the only thing that matters is what was happening when he fired his gun at an unarmed person.  You have condemned the victim based on about nothing just like you did in the Martin case.  So again- write that check that states clearly that whenever a white cop shoots an unarmed black person they had it coming- being the thugs that they are.

Once again, I haven't decided everything.  My mood isn't on a roller coaster with each new revelation because unlike the purveyors of the myth, and adherents to the myth, I'm not invested in a pre-determined outcome.  We used to be innocent until proven guilty.  Now we're guilty even after a jury acquits us (hello, Zimmerman verdict) because some people just cannot accept facts they don't like.  I have not condemned the victim.  George Zimmerman was very clearly justified in using deadly force to defend his life.  I'm in no way convinced deadly force was necessary here- I just don't have enough information to make up my own mind on it- and I'm not invested one way or the other.  I do think, based on what we know so far, "murder" or similar serious criminal charges are a long shot.

No rollerccoaster here with the bold and largercfont.

Aug 20, 2014 11:52:14 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Officer Darren Wilson Suffered ‘Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket’
Posted on August 20, 2014



Read more at conservativebyte.com/2014/08/officer-darren-wilson-suffered-blowout-fracture-eye-socket/#ckV3QCuSu5mZxTzD.99

[djAdvocate]

Aug 22, 2014 23:19:48 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 22, 2014 14:53:27 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i have already stated what i prefer.

The store clerk would have been justified in shooting Michael Brown, and anyone in that business that doesn't have a firearm at the ready is a fool.

cool.  but i already stated that i don't really care that much about MB.  i care about the cops using tanks and gas for protestors.

i guess we each have our axe to grind, eh?

[Tennesseer]

Aug 22, 2014 23:22:09 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 22, 2014 14:11:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Ahhh paul.  You most likely will in time do that, if not here then elsewhere. You simply cannot help yourself.  Just like you could not help yourself on the Trayvon Martin thread.  The true Paul came out on that thread.

That's because once we had the information, it was clear that George Zimmerman did not commit a crime- let alone murder.  I have a pretty easy time digesting and accepting facts once they're presented.

You disparaged Martin several times by safely hiding behind an article quote where the author called Martin a "ni@@er?  You got away without violating the CoC because you were quoting an article and you freely and happily used the word a number of times in the thread. 

That is what I am talking about.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 22, 2014 23:30:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 22, 2014 23:19:48 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The store clerk would have been justified in shooting Michael Brown, and anyone in that business that doesn't have a firearm at the ready is a fool.

cool.  but i already stated that i don't really care that much about MB.  i care about the cops using tanks and gas for protestors.

i guess we each have our axe to grind, eh?

I care about both.  If MB could have been arrested without deadly force, he should have been.  But yeah- I'm with you on using what are effectively troops against civilians.  That's a much bigger issue nation-wide.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 22, 2014 23:35:23 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 22, 2014 23:22:09 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

That's because once we had the information, it was clear that George Zimmerman did not commit a crime- let alone murder.  I have a pretty easy time digesting and accepting facts once they're presented.

You disparaged Martin several times by safely hiding behind an article quote where the author called Martin a "ni@@er?  You got away without violating the CoC because you were quoting an article and you freely and happily used the word a number of times in the thread. 

That is what I am talking about.

I did not disparage Martin.  He disgraced himself.  He is the one that called himself "No Limit N@@@a"-- I was quoting Martin.  It's not disparaging to point out the truth.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 22, 2014 23:28:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 22, 2014 23:17:32 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Once again, I haven't decided everything.  My mood isn't on a roller coaster with each new revelation because unlike the purveyors of the myth, and adherents to the myth, I'm not invested in a pre-determined outcome.  We used to be innocent until proven guilty.  Now we're guilty even after a jury acquits us (hello, Zimmerman verdict) because some people just cannot accept facts they don't like.  I have not condemned the victim.  George Zimmerman was very clearly justified in using deadly force to defend his life.  I'm in no way convinced deadly force was necessary here- I just don't have enough information to make up my own mind on it- and I'm not invested one way or the other.  I do think, based on what we know so far, "murder" or similar serious criminal charges are a long shot.

No rollerccoaster here with the bold and largercfont.

From the very article:

The “hands up” story may be true; then again, it may be false. But it is true in the minds of millions of black people around the United States, thanks to a media eager for a race controversy – and it will remain the dominant story, no matter what the truth is.

Read more at conservativebyte.com/2014/08/officer-darren-wilson-suffered-blowout-fracture-eye-socket/#1kBQUTzuybC8IPYp.99

[Tennesseer]

Aug 22, 2014 23:37:10 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 22, 2014 23:35:23 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

You disparaged Martin several times by safely hiding behind an article quote where the author called Martin a "ni@@er?  You got away without violating the CoC because you were quoting an article and you freely and happily used the word a number of times in the thread. 

That is what I am talking about.

I did not disparage Martin.  He disgraced himself.  He is the one that called himself "No Limit N@@@a"-- I was quoting Martin.  It's not disparaging to point out the truth.

Interesting how you remember so easily what you wrote so many times in that thread.  But I imagine when you write it so many times just because you can write it, it is easy to remember.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 22, 2014 23:35:31 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 22, 2014 23:30:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

cool.  but i already stated that i don't really care that much about MB.  i care about the cops using tanks and gas for protestors.

i guess we each have our axe to grind, eh?

I care about both.  If MB could have been arrested without deadly force, he should have been.  But yeah- I'm with you on using what are effectively troops against civilians.  That's a much bigger issue nation-wide.

i didn't say i don't care about MB.  i said i don't care much about him.  it might have been a simple accident.

but like you, i can't take what has happened SINCE then as an accident of any kind.  i view it as a glaring, blazing white example of a disease that we need to cure in this nation, if we are to survive this century.  lest you think i am exaggerating: yes, i really do feel this way.

[EVT1]

Aug 22, 2014 23:17:32 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 22, 2014 20:34:52 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Once again, I haven't decided everything.  My mood isn't on a roller coaster with each new revelation because unlike the purveyors of the myth, and adherents to the myth, I'm not invested in a pre-determined outcome.  We used to be innocent until proven guilty.  Now we're guilty even after a jury acquits us (hello, Zimmerman verdict) because some people just cannot accept facts they don't like.  I have not condemned the victim.  George Zimmerman was very clearly justified in using deadly force to defend his life.  I'm in no way convinced deadly force was necessary here- I just don't have enough information to make up my own mind on it- and I'm not invested one way or the other.  I do think, based on what we know so far, "murder" or similar serious criminal charges are a long shot.

Yes you have- or you wouldn't have posted such a ridiculous bag of garbage.  Not a single person has said that the  'gentle giant' was on his way to pave a handicapped ramp or whatever- that's your silly bullshit. 

When this thread started- and I know because I started it- it was about people that made their minds up and the racists that were commenting about it. And just to be fair- some of the people donating to the officer have had to have their comments purged because of pure racism.  You want to be in that club?

And of course bring Zimmerman into it- another hero.  He was clearly a murderer that created the situation- and if you think he isn't maybe you hire him   He's in FL with you, your dumbass laws, and available for work- word has it he's got security experience.